Mogadishu: Somali troops step up hunt for troublemakers

[Kashafa]

See, Horn, that's where your reasoning fails you. You view things from a clan-centric position whereas I, and a growing number of Somali young bucks, argue from a pan-Somali, pan-Islamic perspective. You're reasoning goes like this "Kashafa frequently attacks my dhabo-dhilif Uncle, he must have some grievance" or "Kashafa is an ardent ICU supporter, he must hail from Mogadisho" Not that it's relevant, but you're wrong on both counts.

 

Wake up, abti. We're living in the age of ideas and a forward vision for Somalia. While the country is under occupation, all you can think of is the fortunes of your clan and clan leader(s). Whatever horse Hiraale hitches you to, Horn Afrique willingly rides, without a question. and that is no hyperbole. The same goes for Yey partisans or hardcore Riyaale supporters.

 

Here's my theory: In the minds of clannists(dhabo-dhilifs or not), all the glory and power and stockworth of their respective tribes is represented in their most promeninet leader(s). So anybody that attacks that leader, even for a righetous cause, automatically becomes an enemy. Because he has threatened the stockworth of the tribe and conversely, the self-worth of the individual in question.

 

I think you and I would get along much better, politically speaking, if you thru some miracle got over your clan-centric viewpoint and like MMA, DQ,(nomads I disagree with sometimes but respect) think on a national-scale.

 

My country and your country is under occupation. What are you doing about ?

 

Now do you still want to know my tribe ?

[Gabbal]

I respect your position but you are being defensive and not without reason to.

[Kashafa]

Ok, Horn. I see you're not upto debating today. Maybe some other time. Just so you know, the "you hate me" card is so 1991.

[Gabbal]

"Kashafa is an ardent ICU supporter, he must hail from Mogadisho" Not that it's relevant, but you're wrong on both counts.

Aniguna inaan dadka kaa badiyo i garo. I have never suspected you of being from Mogadishu background. This is exactly as I have written:

 

Originally posted by HornAfrique:

Kashafa, I can almost guess your repetition of Hiiraale's name does not have to do with fight against Ethiopia but rather strickly concerns Jubba politics. Is that to say that your bloodline resides somewhere there or concerns it? You decide.

If I suspected you of being from Mogadishu background, you would not be as concerned as you are with Hiiraale's name vis-a-vis muqaawamo/Ethiopian issue.

 

This is the man who warned against and refused to support as Defense Minister the Ethiopian penetration into the capital, who refused to support fighting in and shelling Mogadishu. This is the man that was demoted and near assassinated by Abdullahi Yusuf and Ghedi because of his opposition to their political stance. No, adeer if you were of Mogadishu background you would not have the obsession with Hiiraale's name that you do. Most of the people of Mogadishu background now admit that the UIC did not act with him the way they should have acted with him and respect him for his stances since. Jooji adeer, meel kalaad ka socota and I have already analyzed it!

[Kashafa]

Just this once, I'mma break it down for you.....sloooooooowly.

 

My background means jack-squat(except in ur clan-centric mind) to this debate. But since you seem stuck on it, here it is: I am an Arlingtonian from the Al-Virginia sub-clan from the great tribe of the Amerikaan . Does the Al-Virginia clan have beef with Barre Hiraale ?

[xiinfaniin]

Hornow, adeer waxaad illowday tazkiayadii Sh.Xassan Daahir ee uu ku sheegay inuu Hiiraale yahay xakiim ah; leader shan daqiiqo dhimman! lol.

 

 

cuqdad iyo ninkii ciil qabaa looma caal helo

adigoon ----buu cuq iska siiyaaye'e

 

Kashafa, and many of us are fond of poking at Hiiraale not because who he is, in tribal terms, but for what he does, and strictly at that. It's difficult adeer but try to reason with people without considering their qabiil! When you feel at ease with Kismayo's gangs, like you do, [those you know who pride themselves to be under the command of wasaaradda gashaadhiga], you become an easy prey...

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Kashafa:

Just this once, I'mma break it down for you.....sloooooooowly.

 

My background means jack-squat(except in ur clan-centric mind) to this debate. But since you seem stuck on it, here it is: I am an Arlingtonian from the Al-Virginia sub-clan from the . Does the Al-Virginia tribe have beef with Barre Hiraale ?

Not that I know of and that is why I did not suspect you of being neither Al Virginian or of Mogadishu background.

 

I believe sheekada way inoo xirantahay?

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

Hornow

, adeer waxaad illowday tazkiayadii Sh.Xassan Daahir ee uu ku sheegay inuu Hiiraale yahay xakiim ah; leader shan daqiiqo dhimman! lol.

 

 

cuqdad iyo ninkii ciil qabaa looma caal helo

adigoon ----buu cuq iska siiyaaye'e

 

Kashafa, and many of us are fond of poking at Hiiraale not because who he is, in tribal terms, but for what he does, and strictly at that. It's difficult adeer but try to reason with people without considering their qabiil! When you feel at ease with Kismayo's gangs, like you do, [those you know who pride themselves to be under the command of wasaaradda gashaadhiga], you become an easy prey...

And that is when another individual was busted for his anti-Hiiraale (read: reer Gedo) stance using "muqaawama". Crimson was the color of the day when the good Sheikh spoke the famous words "Hiiraale is one of the purest of the current men in power and is a man who had a supreme right in going to Kismaayo and dethroning Morgan.

 

Tallaw wali ma laga biskooday?

[xiinfaniin]

Horn, maanta i tacliimi adeer. I know you support Hiiraale and you feel very strong about it. That i know. What i dont know is who you are against.

 

Which of the following statements is true:

 

A)Horn is against anyone who opposes Hiiraale and his subclan's interests

 

B)Horn is against Ethiopian and tfg not because of what they did to Somalia, but how they treated good Hiiraale and betrayed him in the formation of Kismayo admin.

 

C)Horn deeply opposes Ethiopia and sees for what they are but does not think time is ripe for such a stance to be taken, and therefore Horn hesitantly supports this tfg but would like them to solve the Kismayo issue before he commits himself for them.

 

Adeer, once and for all, tell me (us), not who you support, but who you are against!

[Juje]

A & B

[Gabbal]

Xiin, sxb this is a response I once gave to Paragon when he asked me a similar question. I will post this and then I will add answering your specific question:

 

Truth be told, the ICU sincerely happens to be the best thing that has risen from Somalia’s political ashes since the inception of civil war. What better then the emergence of an effective rule of law sanctioned by and built on the tenets of our faith? After democracy, socialism, and anarchy I truly believe Islam is the best solution we have and that Shareecada Islaamka is our savior in these times of darkness.

 

The ICU has sorely disappointed me and to regurgitate why would be too redundant for your ears as well as my fingers. My hopes have been let down and my support has been made a mockery. What can anyone do when former thug Indhacade today sits in the same circle as men such as Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed and actually can dictate the policies of the movement! What can anyone do when ICU storm-troopers can storm towns and cities, but the hometown of Sheikh Aweys is pinpointed as hiding ground for contrabands like Khat designed to be smuggled into cities such as Beled-Weyne and elsewhere? What can anyone do when the ICU not only passes but legitimizes the case of the L. Shabelle while dragging newly donated heavy weaponry and artillery to bomb Kismaayo into surrender? What can anyone do when the ICU ignores and excuses it being use as a shirt for undercover tribal revenge as in the case of the massacre of the wounded men in hospitals? What can anyone do when the ICU wishes to control the whole nation but purposely keeps its ruling councils undiversified and not well represented? I mean is it not prudent to show respect to the civil war suspicions and sentiments of the Somali to appease all for the interest of all? What can anyone do when the ICU chooses to shutdown the livelihood of numerous needy Somali families but does not provide alternatives? What can anyone do when the ICU continues to saber-rattle not only against peace Somali regions but against neighboring states with the risk of heavy materialized direct interference thereby pushing Somalis back to square one?

 

It is amazing how the ICU has become

the best opportunity to not be.

More then anything the sadness and anguish I feel is for what the ICU could have become yet today, sadly, I believe I am seeing its twilight era and the setting back of Islamic rule in Somalia for a long time to come.

 

With that said, I do not condone the bombing and shelling of our innocent people. What kind of a person would rejoice at what is going on in Somalia knowing and having been through everything one is currently hearing from the airwaves? I have made a direct choice to support the framework and institution-building reality of the TFG and it is not a secret but that does not mean I support Ethiopian interference nor do I condone the Ethiopian shelling of Somali towns and cities. I do not and I never will, but at the same time I realize the reality of Eritrean, Oromo, as well as other foreign support the ICU is garnering and the legitimacy Ethiopia is getting to interfere in Somalia because of that. A lot of the times I feel the situation is out of our hands and it is because of that I support no one but the Somali people. May Allah be with them, Aaamiin!

Source

 

Imagine, I wrote this last December and how the fears I have outlined have come to be true.

 

 

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I have to jet but I will be back to answer the question.

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by Kashafa:

quote:Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale:

do you not feel the

shame? just 5 minutes ago i choked on my pepsi cola due to the block in my throat because of the painfull

shame

 

oh the

shame

Whatever shred of shame that dhabo-dhilifs posses is masked by a thick coat of tribal vitriol. Having been weaned since childhood on a cuqdad-laden inferiority complex diet, everything and anything will be sacrificed for the sake of 'our cause'.

 

Look at them, DQ-ow, as they battle on this forum. As they prattle on: "Kismayo anakaa iska-leh" vs. "Maya, anaka aa iska-leh".

 

Low-born, low-bred Xabashi slaves who can only view the world through their respective clan prism. Not an ounce of wadani-nimo, Not an inch of Somali-nimo. They worship Hiraale & Yey, two Xabashi maggots who have no honour, no respect, and no remote qualification to lead, except that of a clan warlord.

 

Rest assured tho. There are men and women on the ground, from all across Somalia, striking the blow for freedom, who have only one identity, forged through combat and sacrifice. I call them thoroughbreds. They call themselves: Somali-Muslims. And this band of brothers and sisters, the only inheritors to the legacy of Xaawo Taako, Axmed Guray, and Sayyid-ka are the vanguard who will free our country from foreign occupiers and local turncoats.

Walle - the self righteousness, condescension and hysteria are getting to ridiculous levels.

:eek: :rolleyes:

 

DS - the shame started long ago with the civil war and the countless atrocities. It's a wonder you've only started choking with shame now.

[Kashafa]

^A)You're taking it personally. Think with your head, not your heart. I was answering DQ's question, not calling you a dhabo-dhilif, but if you're position makes you one, than the post goes for you too.

 

the shame started long ago with the civil war and the countless atrocities. It's a wonder you've only started choking with shame now.

Lol. Luvin' them forced choked rationalisations. So, since atrocities happened back then, we shouldn't worry too much that atrocities are happening now ? What comes around, goes around eh ? I've heard this explanation before and it came from an arch-qabilisto known throughout our local area. Nice way of massaging one's conscience.

 

Somebody's stuck re-fighting the 90's civil war in his head: The entire country is under Xabashi occupation, right this second, massacres are being committed right now, and the only thing on this charachter's mind is the past.

 

Even more funnier, DQ was probably a baby when the civil war was happening, how in the world can he have any concept of shame ? Logic and Irony seem to be weak subjects for TFG supporters.

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by Kashafa:

[QB] ^A)You're taking it personally. Think with your head, not your heart. I was answering DQ's question, not calling you a dhabo-dhilif, but if you're position makes you one, than the post goes for you too.

LOL. Look who is talking about thinking with your head not your heart. Have you examined your posts for the last several months? Vitriolic, insult laden, emotional outbursts are the hallmark of your posts. No ideas, no policies, no platforms, no intelligent critiques. None! I certainly am not taking it personally. But quite frankly - I'm sick and tired of rereading the same childish rants from you. And I thought I'd finally let you know. That is what prompted my post.

 

Luvin' them forced choked rationalisations. So, since atrocities happened

back then

, we shouldn't worry too much that atrocities are happening now ? What comes around, goes around eh ? I've heard this explanation before and it came from an arch-qabilisto known throughout our local area. Nice way of massaging one's conscience.

Huh? And where did I say that? My point was simple. Let me break it down to you sloooowly:

 

The Somali tragedy has been unfolding over the past 2 decades. Anyone who is experiencing a surplus of shame at this stage is doing so out of naivete or something more odious - political posturing. Capische?

 

It's odd - your fixation on commenting on this particular atrocity as opposed to all the others

happening in Somalia. Let's see - this week all the following happened:

 

1- Folks dead in Bur Gabo

2- Religious folks dead in Galkacyo

3- 2 kids slaughtered in Hargeisa

 

But unless the incidents in Mogadishu are condemned - you are a 'low-born, low-bred, maggots'etc [insert opprobium ad infinitum].

 

This outlook reminds me of certain Jews and other narrow interest groups. The thinking goes like this - 'Oh you didn't comment on that particular peice of anti-semitism [or whatever]' ergo you are a hateful, bigoted .....

 

Somebody's stuck re-fighting the 90's civil war in his head: The entire country is under Xabashi occupation, right this second, massacres are being committed right now, and the only thing on this charachter's mind is the past.

Sweetheart - try to stick to commenting on what I actually said not commentary of your own imagination. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! The entire country is under Xabashi occupation - HOLY SH*IT! It's the end of the World!!! Get over yourself. Somalia is in the mess it is in because of Somalis. Come up with concrete ideas to get Somalia out of this mess rather than repeating your petty lines about how horrid those ethios are.

 

Even more funnier, DQ was probably a baby when the civil war was happening, how in the world can he have any concept of shame ? Logic and Irony seem to be weak subjects for TFG supporters.

Oh Lord! Did the atrocities and tragedy end soon after 1991 or have they been going on for much longer? Are you living on Planet Earth?

 

I tell you what is truly funny. What is truly funny is someone who wraps himself up in the Islamic flag who, when conversing with other Muslims, is unable to present anything other than vitriol, bitterness, insults, condescension and character assassination. Way to represent! Woohoo!

[Kashafa]

I musta hit a nerve to cause such a um exuberant reaction from an otherwise diplomatic 'everything-is-fine-in-Somalia' Point-ka. Tolja don't take it personally, duqa. You are who and what you are, might as well defend ur position(like Duke does) without losing sleep over harsh discourse. Our country is under foreign occupation, Somalis are dying on the ground and Point-ka is worried about hurting the feelings of the people behind the killing. Instead of calling Gheedi & Yey, Xabashi maggots(which they are), should I use their offical titles "in order to foster an atmosphere of respectful dialogue"(lol) ?. You need to relax with that BS, mayn. Come down from whatever cuckoo-land you're at, put your feet on the ground and smell the blood and the scorched cities of Somalia, courtesy of your beloved friend, allies, and neighbor: Ethiopia. I know, I know, denial is bliss, but it won't be here on SOL Politics section, not while I'm around. Anyway, a few pointers:

 

-The term dhabo-dhilif is a technical term, not a insult. A term that might derogatory but accurately describes Somali turncoats who side with the Ethiopians when they invaded our country. So if I refer to you in passing as a dhabo-dhilif, I'm simply summing up your position with a single word. You might wince when you hear it, but dear brother Dhabo-dhilif, that's what you've become: a Xabashi maggot. That term on the other hand , is indeed an insult and I reserve it, most of the time, to people like Yey, Gheedi, Hiraale, Qeybdiid, etc. The other insults(low-bred, low-born) are metaphorical, however you're free to read them literally if that will give you ammunition to dodge the debate, as TFG peeps always do( Anybody seen Biixi ) .

 

- There's a word in the English language I like. It's called: Priority !. At this point in Somali history, the Ethiopian aggression, genocide, and occupation has priority status over anything else. So it's a testament to your political naiveness for you to equate the criminal killings happening anywhere in Somalia and the occupation of an entire country. Somalia is under occupation by our historical enemy: Ethiopia. I repeat that constantly on purpose, because dhabo-dhilifs seem to be in denial about that fact lest their house of flimsy rationalisations(Is-Qancis) come crashing down on them. Do ur best to dance around the topic and invoke crimes that happened in 1991 or 1920 or during Weel-waal's age, myself and others will tie you down to present reality and a living echo to the perpetual infamy of the dhabo-dhilif camp.

 

-When the Tigray/TFG alliance's dead soldiers were dragged through the streets of Mogadisho, cyber-dhabo-dhilifs screeched "Barabric !! How dare they". And the indiscriminate shelling, intentional targeting of hospitals, the delibarate levelling to the ground of entire neighborhoods, that in fact caused the dragging of the soldiers ? That was reffered to fondly as 'the drill' by some and was met by loud telling silence by others. This is what I wrote back then. It still stands today. In the face of that shameless hypocrisy and clannist groupie-dom, Point-ka advises 'politeness' and looking for 'concrete solutions'(read: stop fighting pesky Muqaawama. Surrender to Adeer Zenawi as we did). Again, you need come out the house more, man.

 

- So the next time my words hit a raw nerve(as the truth does) and causes the bile to rise up, ask yourself: "Why am I feeling this way? Does anything that Kashafa is saying have any merit?" And if you feel my speech is too strong, you might wanna take a look at Sayyid-ka's famous oratory and gabays when discussing the turncoat traitors of his age. Oh yeah, they had dhabo-dhilifs back then too. Nother topic, nother thread.

 

Moral of my post: Dhabo-dhilifs don't get nor deserve any respect. Not in Sayyid-ka's time and certainly not today.

 

As DQ put it, Oh the shame!