Mass Exodus in Laas Caano

[Fabregas]

The entire clan or reero sool will have a large meeting to discuss the matter. Thus there is a sudden rush to war as some would think.....

[Blessed]

Gediid,

 

I suspected that this was a tactical move to take the attention away fro his domestic blunders of late. It works for Meles and Yusuf just the same.

 

Why do Somali citizens allow themselves to get sucked into tactical wars time after time, after time? These politicians don't have thei best interests at heart.

 

Redka,

 

Silaanyo ma dhagaysatidh? He makes no secret of his pro-Somali unity stance. He’s not however, a unionist in the traditional sense; he advocates for the taagereyn of Somalia and peace for the Southern region. He doesn’t rule out a union of peaceful and stable Somali states in the distant future. If it’s what the people want (like the Yemeni merger). But, he is still very much devoted to the cause of SL in terms of recognition and independence for now as that is essential to the countries development.

 

Xiin

When you say the people of ‘SSC’ are you also taking their pro-SL ’ilma abti’ residents of those regions into account? I guess, duplicity is a Somali wide phenomenon. There’s are very complex reasons for this conflict, one of them being that the clan borders aren’t so clear-cut and so the loyalties overlap both in tribal based and ideological affiliation. Try again, adeer.

 

As for the Ethipian hand in all of this, again I think it's rather overrated. Somalis would need to have been united for the 'divide and conquer' argument to hold. Ethiopia is merely taking advatange of the Somali made enmity and hate.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Dont get confused adeer about the details; LA is a one qabiil city. Just like Burco is! And in that verse, one qabiil entity decided to somehow close the colonial border using disgruntled militias from the community of that city.

 

No matter how one confuses own-self about the insignificant details of this conflict, when put in the larger context things become very clear and the tribal nature of this conflict becomes quite apparent. I don’t really give much credence to the claim of Slanders about the division within LA qabiil. It’s really duplicitousto to argue along those lines. Buubaa and co can present same argument for the tfg project…

[Som@li]

^^Geel ninkiilahaa dhacaayo, siidii loo soo dhicin karaa .One of the things upseted bro Sophist,many people, I met from LA, is the division among LA qabiil.

[Blessed]

My sentiments exactly!

 

Xiin,

I wasn't only discussing the LA conflict, but the whole SSC collectively, in that regard I think you and Redka are essentially making the same argument / assumtions.

 

As for LA, if reer LA were united and consistent in their stance against SL, Riyaale would have no reason to make a move as bold as this, if he had absolutely no support in LA, this matter would have been wrapped up as quickly as the Dhahar incident last year and you and I woudn't be having this discussion. This has already been stated by SOLers from LA themselves, why you keep over looking it, is beyond me.

 

I don't say this because I support Riyaale and his allies gun wielding tactics, it's both ruthless and unnecessary, in my opinion.

 

And in that verse, one qabiil entity decided to somehow close the colonial border using disgruntled militias from the community of that city.

One qabiil entity? This is as funny as the 'Riyaales' SNM malitia' slogan some run with on this forum.

 

. Buubaa and co can present same argument for the tfg project…

LOL. I find your comparison between LA and SL rather laughable, adeer.

 

Anyway, whoever Buuba is, he clearly doesn't have enough influence over groups, clans in SL to form a militia that is willing to fight for the TFG from within. And if he does in the future, I'd readily accept the disunity of SLers in that regard. Understand my point? I hope so.

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by Zenobia:

 

As for LA, if reer LA were united and consistent in their stance against SL, Riyaale would have no reason to make a move as bold as this, if he had absolutely no support in LA, this matter would have been wrapped up as quickly as the Dhahar incident last year and you and I woudn't be having this discussion. This has already been stated by SOLers from LA themselves, why you keep over looking it, is beyond me.

 

You can't be serious. I refuse to believe that you are serious here. What makes you believe that Rer Sool are not united or have not been consistent with regard to Somaliland? Rer Sool have repeatedly and consistently rejected Somaliland and its bedrock principle of secession. Do you deny this? Are you saying it is not the case? Riyaale's boldness has nothing to do with a desire by any real segment of the population of Sool for him and his thugs. It has to do with a perception of Puntland weakness - proven correctly as it turns out. And the only reason Riyaale's militia and his paid thugs are still there and not wrapped up like Dhahar is the weakness and disorganization of those against them not because the residents of Las Anod approve of the staus quo. I can't believe how many times I keep making these same arguments. :eek:

[ElPunto]

DP

[xiinfaniin]

Zenobia, perhaps you believe SL is a sovereign republic and you find the clan entity suggestion quite insulting to the state of Somaliland !

 

But before you go any further let me clearly state what I tried to convey there.

 

1- The division within LA is insignificant , as it emanates from a political discontent/grievance within PL clan groupings, and does not attest to any support for Somaliland’s separatist agenda. Hence the claim some made here that a critical mass sympathetic for Somaliland’s cause exist in LA is a poor spin.

 

The argument of Buuba having his militia and disrupting in his hometown is akin to Xaabsade collecting militia and getting support from Riyaale to disrupt the peace in LA! It’s beyond me why you dismissed it as a laughable proposition yaa Zenobia!

 

 

Dabka, any groupings in Somalia have divisions within themselves. I am not in denial that such divisions exist. All I am saying is that in this case it does not warrant the political opportunity some Slanders argue it does to close the border (how pathetic a thinking that is)! Another assertion of mine is that Somaliland itself has its own divisions, and I observed some did try to dismiss it.

[Gediid]

I love how Somalis read a few websites in the morning and by noon think they know how their "leaders" think but in reality a place like SOl shows why Somalis are in the state they are in with no hope in sight.I dont think I will be wrong to compare Somalia today to a public bathroom back in Addis Ababa used by 100's of Ethiopians everyday.At the end of the day no one can know for certain who's taken a dump in there and what belongs to who.Anyone who tries to sort/analyse that sh!t will come out only smelling worse than all the dump in there.

[ElPunto]

^LOL - that certainly is a novel way of putting it. Somalis and shid go together like a horse and carriage. I'm surprised you have remained immaculate

[Blessed]

ThePoint!

 

All I am saying is that the people who have 'invaded' and are now 'occupying' LA are themselves natives and residents of LA. Whatever their ulterior motivations, they are championing the SL cause. Is that a lie?

 

I can't believe how many times I keep making these same arguments.

Maybe, you just need listen.

 

Xiin.

 

Zenobia, perhaps you believe SL is a sovereign republic and you find the clan entity suggestion quite insulting to the state of Somaliland

Insulting? No! I quiet like the silent merger between those two clans besides that argument is true for Federal Somalia, also.

 

 

 

The division within LA is insignificant , as it emanates from a political discontent/grievance within PL clan groupings, and does not attest to any support for Somaliland’s separatist agenda. Hence the claim some made here that a critical mass sympathetic for Somaliland’s cause exist in LA is a poor spin.

Do me a favour adeer, address the ‘claims’ made by the ‘some’ in the context they were made and don’t direct it at me, okay. You know very well that I was trying to make a wholly different point addressing the whole of the SCC. Where did I say that the LA mass were sympathetic for the SL cause, in this and other threads. Where did I support the closing of colonial boarders? All I am saying, is that their division is very significant to this conflict. Read above.

 

 

 

The argument of Buuba having his militia and disrupting in his hometown is akin to Xaabsade collecting militia and getting support from Riyaale to disrupt the peace in LA! It’s beyond me why you dismissed it as a laughable proposition yaa Zenobia!

Are you mocking me? It’s very obvious, no? I don't want to insult your intelligence by highlighting the differences. Simply put, the LA case is reality. I've only addressed the Buuba hypothesis to clarify a point, you keep missing. Besides, you know it just wouldn't happen.

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by Zenobia:

ThePoint!

 

All I am saying is that the people who have 'invaded' and are now 'occupying' LA are themselves natives and residents of LA. Whatever their ulterior motivations, they are championing the SL cause. Is that a lie?

 

No - that's not a lie. But those folks wouldn't be there without Somaliland funds and incitement. Moreover, those championing the SL cause as you put it are hired and bought thugs and agents. Secondly - the fundamental point remains that the vast majority of Rer Sool is not interested in Somaliland or secession. Are you arguing any of these points? If not then we have nothing to argue about. And clearly the Somaliland action is wrong in every respect given the above.

 

Originally posted by Zenobia:

All I am saying, is that their division is very significant to this conflict. Read above.

That's exactly and precisely wrong. Again - these are a small number of bought thugs - what gives them wieght as opposed to the rest of the community who are against them? What is 'very significant' to this conflict is the money, materials, support and encouragement coming from Somaliland. In the absence of that - there would be no conflict given the political mindset of Rer Sool.

[xiinfaniin]

Zenobia, you've closed some gaps there...

[Blessed]

^huh?

 

Laa illaaha Ila Allah@ ThePoint. I don't know how the hell I got into a tug-o-war over LA. *gives Xiin an evil look*

 

I really don't care for what or who they join, I thought I made that clear before you started jumping up and down and half quoting me.

 

I was merely saying that those who are on the side of SL are reer LA. Call them what you like and explain away their motivation all you like, tehy are still reer LA, their stance is significant in regards to the what me and Xiin were discussing before he turned it into a fight for LA debate.

 

You might want to take it up with those who care about boarders. Halkaa ku xidh, I don‘t want to be going round and round in circles over this.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Dhulka shaydaanka ka naar... adeer !