Siciid Cadaani Mooge refutes recent reports of impending recognition by the Jews

[Sikaawe]

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro:

quote: Yahuud Illah ayaa nacay, maanta cid ay aduunka kala saaxiibtahay, Britain iyo US mooyaane, ma jirto, markaa qof adeer Illah nacay oo isagu maanta cadceed sii dhacaysa oo kale ah in aad la saaxiibto waxa dhaanta sidaa aynu nahay in aynu iska ahaano. Sooner or later, recognition is on its way but we do not need Israel for it.

I thought this is what you said ,,,,

I know you are high on the " daba-musbaarkii" this time today, lol......... You will understand my comments tomorrow after the hangover of the night before have gone.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Yuhuuda iyo maraykan iyo ingrees manay isku mid ahayn ma gaalada kala fiican hada , Gaal wa gaal hadaad mid cilaqaat la yeelatid ka kale maxa ku didaya, wa waxba, qirada inaga daya walalayaal. Carabtu iyo Reer bani isreal waxay isku hayaan wa mid iyaga u taal. Ta anagu dhex gali meyno. Laakin anigu danaha Somaliland comes first danaha Somaliland cidi laga arko inay wax la qabanayso walala xidhidhaya Diin la eegi mayo isir la eegi mayo nassabkooda la eegi mayo dhaqankooda la eegi mayo Dalkooda la eegi mayo taarikhdooda la eegi mayo. Laakin wixi somaliland maslaxadooda ku jirta anagu wanu So dhaweyneyna

[xiinfaniin]

xaaji xanduf wrote:

Laakin anigu danaha Somaliland comes first danaha Somaliland cidi laga arko inay wax la qabanayso walala xidhidhaya Diin la eegi mayo isir la eegi mayo nassabkooda la eegi mayo dhaqankooda la eegi mayo Dalkooda la eegi mayo taarikhdooda la eegi mayo. Laakin wixi somaliland maslaxadooda ku jirta anagu wanu So dhaweyneyna

 

 

xaajigu waa run sheeg. shidada haysattaa waa danta uu leeyahay waan dhawraynaa maaha mid macno adduunka kale u samaynaysaa--- waa haddii danta uu sheegayyaa ictiraaf tahaye'e.

 

seeking independence for a region in a failed, poor african country is not a notion that would attract the attention of countries like Israel. Even Ethiopia did not see a political value worthy of coming out to fully support what our brothers in the north are struggling to achieve.

 

what is the value proposition such a political venture would offer to any country , ya Xaaji?

[Saalax]

even the Al shabibists are obsessed with sland?

[xiinfaniin]

^^Somali unity waa lama taabtaan. It resonates with a broad spectrum of Somalia’s varying political factions.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

^^Somali unity waa lama taabtaan. It resonates with a broad spectrum of Somalia’s varying political factions.

ta ka quuso

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Xiinfanin the only reason why Ethiopia doesn’t fully recognize Somaliland is if they do so , they will lose the Big influences they have In Somaliland. This seems oke for them. For now Somalia not having a functional government puntland basically being An Ethiopian province keeping the Irhaabis at bay , Have a good relationship with the rep of somaliland. But not fully recognizing it. See if somaliland is recognized, Ethiopia will lose its grip on somaliland. There will be international agencies in somaliland embassies , a big navy will be build. And somaliland will not be dependent on Ethiopia any more diplomatically And who knows somaliland might even arm A resistant movement in Ethiopia because of the Ethnic Somalilanders in that region. But Ethiopia does not want a united strong Somalia. They rather give somaliland the full thing in the future then see a strong great Somalia that can swallow the Tigray regime in Adis And mekele. As for isreal . isreal has lots of enemies in the middle east them having a military base in Somaliland, will give them the upper hand against the hairy Arabs because controlling the red sea and the Indian ocean , them having a friend in the horn of Africa will benefit them , in return they will recognize the Sovereignty of the state of somaliland, who know we might even ship our live stock to tel aviv.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Great analysis there, xaaji.

 

It’s evident in your analysis that recognizing that somali region in the north does not add value to any countries’ political interest. As you aptly put it, if Ethiopia recognizes Somaliland it diminishes its interest, not enhance it. And the factors against recognition to Somaliland’s independence aspiration are numerous. The primary one being that underlying drivers for secession in that part of somalia has nothing to do with nationhood desires, and everything to do with satisfying a deeply rooted political grievances that resulted in from the experience of political community with Somalia’s former dictatorial regime. And that, yaa Xaaji, has not lost on those you tirelessly appeal for recognition.

[Qudhac]

xiin

 

you make the mistake of believing that just because somaliland is not recognised now it cannot be recognised tomorow...

 

 

to be frank somaliland was not even ready for recognition as it was young nation building its system from scratch and its not in great hurry as it has long way to go.

 

there are plus sides for not being recognised... to put simplely self_reliance.. no cribling debts... forming local way of govenance and solving issues...

 

 

look at somalia the world recognises it they get free aid in millions for decades and they are worse than ever before on their knees unable to solve a village dispute on their own withough the world getting together, all they know is how to go around the world with forever bigger begging bowls. and cannot organise village admin withough 10 summits and 15 countried helping.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

^^Great analysis there, xaaji.

 

It’s evident in your analysis that recognizing that somali region in the north does not add value to any countries’ political interest. As you aptly put it, if Ethiopia recognizes Somaliland it diminishes its interest, not enhance it. And the factors against recognition to Somaliland’s independence aspiration are numerous. The primary one being that underlying drivers for secession in that part of somalia has nothing to do with nationhood desires, and everything to do with satisfying a deeply rooted political grievances that resulted in from the experience of political community with Somalia’s former dictatorial regime. And that, yaa Xaaji, has not lost on those you tirelessly appeal for recognition.

How ever a strong Somaliland can also combat Terrorism and piracy in the region we all know Somalia is now a save heaven for terrorist. It will benefit the region in the long term. With the latest Development in Yemen with the thought that it can escalate further

The desire of becoming the nation we have lost in 1960 is bigger then ever, did the Former Siyadist Government play a role in the process of the declaration of independence in 1991, yes. Did the Somaliland people felt they sacrificed 10 times as much for Somaliweyn, Then the koonfurians yes. Fighting for Independence against the colonialist Uniting the Somali people under one flag. An armed struggle as well as a political one .Was there Zero Development in Somaliland during the Adan cabdule era as well as the siyadist era. Did the somaliland people achieve more in the last 19 years then in the failed marriage with the koonfurians for 31 years., We totally miscalculated we trusted The koonfurians Blindly which was the biggest mistake we ever did. But we learned from our mistakes

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Originally posted by Sikaawe:

quote:Originally posted by Jacaylbaro:

Cid kasta waa loo baahan yahay ,,,, politics101

jacaylbaro, Cid kaleba dheh laakiin Yahuud uma baahnin, habaarkii ILLAH ayaa ku yuurura Yahuud.

 

Yahuud Illah ayaa nacay, maanta cid ay aduunka kala saaxiibtahay, Britain iyo US mooyaane, ma jirto, markaa qof adeer Illah nacay oo isagu maanta cadceed sii dhacaysa oo kale ah in aad la saaxiibto waxa dhaanta sidaa aynu nahay in aynu iska ahaano. Sooner or later, recognition is on its way but we do not need Israel for it.

Let me translate some of this into English: We don't need Jews, they are cursed by God (or something along those line)... God hates the Jews.

 

Why is such blatant anti-antisemitism tolerated by Somalis? what are non Muslims to think of this widespread view of Somalis: That Islam hates the Jewish people?

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf:

How ever a strong Somaliland can also combat Terrorism and piracy in the region we all know Somalia is now a save heaven for terrorist. It will benefit the region in the long term. With the latest Development in Yemen with the thought that it can escalate further

The desire of becoming the nation we have lost in 1960 is bigger then ever, did the Former Siyadist Government play a role in the process of the declaration of independence in 1991, yes. Did the Somaliland people felt they sacrificed 10 times as much for Somaliweyn, Then the koonfurians yes. Fighting for Independence against the colonialist Uniting the Somali people under one flag. An armed struggle as well as a political one .Was there Zero Development in Somaliland during the Adan cabdule era as well as the siyadist era. Did the somaliland people achieve more in the last 19 years then in the failed marriage with the koonfurians for 31 years., We totally miscalculated we trusted The koonfurians Blindly which was the biggest mistake we ever did. But we learned from our mistakes

Xaaji, your sentiment above is clear indicative of the fact that what is driving the craze to be separate from the rest of Somalia is precisely the political grievance I referred to. And that is the reason this notion of seceding because of being unhappy with how things went 40 years ago is failing to appeal to any country (Ethiopia included )---Qudhac says it may do so in the future, but that is beside the point.

 

Relative stability, and some degree of political maturity are no longer rare in Somalia’s political discourse. You know how the argument goes. Puntland boasts same characteristics as well. If anything the secessionism policy succeeded to bury yesteryears’ political wounds deep in the psychic of Somaliland’s young generation. Some called that a positive, political reality on the ground where large segments of the society in that part of the country identify themselves with a sovereign Somaliland, and not Somalia. Others would point out it is a solemn sign of a dangerous indoctrination, deluding the young into believing a phantom state which in reality does not exist. In either case, sentiments and emotive, demagoguery speeches that constantly refer to past grievances can only go so far in changing the legal reality as accepted by the world. Not to mention it is not healthy when one elects to be a voluntary prisoner of the past. It is interesting to note that the only statue in Somaliland is a relic of a Mig 27 jet fighter of Somalia’s former air force as to keep the anger of the past quite raw

 

Waxaasi waa cuqdad iska yuururta oo xiwaar iyo niqaash ogeleyn awoowe, europe few dosen millions bay iska dishay, maantana waxbaa iskugu jira.

 

yaan taariikhda maxbuus loo noqon waryee

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

quote:Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf:

How ever a strong Somaliland can also combat Terrorism and piracy in the region we all know Somalia is now a save heaven for terrorist. It will benefit the region in the long term. With the latest Development in Yemen with the thought that it can escalate further

The desire of becoming the nation we have lost in 1960 is bigger then ever, did the Former Siyadist Government play a role in the process of the declaration of independence in 1991, yes. Did the Somaliland people felt they sacrificed 10 times as much for Somaliweyn, Then the koonfurians yes. Fighting for Independence against the colonialist Uniting the Somali people under one flag. An armed struggle as well as a political one .Was there Zero Development in Somaliland during the Adan cabdule era as well as the siyadist era. Did the somaliland people achieve more in the last 19 years then in the failed marriage with the koonfurians for 31 years., We totally miscalculated we trusted The koonfurians Blindly which was the biggest mistake we ever did. But we learned from our mistakes

Xaaji, your sentiment above is clear indicative of the fact that what is driving the craze to be separate from the rest of Somalia is precisely the political grievance I referred to. And that is the reason this notion of seceding because of being unhappy with how things went 40 years ago is failing to appeal to any country (Ethiopia included

)---Qudhac says it may do so in the future, but that is beside the point.

 

Relative stability, and some degree of political maturity are no longer rare in Somalia’s political discourse. You know how the argument goes. Puntland boasts same characteristics as well. If anything the secessionism policy succeeded to bury yesteryears’ political wounds deep in the psychic of Somaliland’s young generation. Some called that a positive, political reality on the ground where large segments of the society in that part of the country identify themselves with a sovereign Somaliland, and not Somalia. Others would point out it is a solemn sign of a dangerous indoctrination, deluding the young into believing a phantom state which in reality does not exist. In either case, sentiments and emotive, demagoguery speeches that constantly refer to past grievances can only go so far in changing the legal reality as accepted by the world. Not to mention it is not healthy when one elects to be a voluntary prisoner of the past. It is interesting to note that the only statue in Somaliland is a relic of a Mig 27 jet fighter of Somalia’s former air force as to keep the anger of the past quite raw

 

Waxaasi waa cuqdad iska yuururta oo xiwaar iyo niqaash ogeleyn awoowe, europe few dosen millions bay iska dishay, maantana waxbaa iskugu jira.

 

yaan taariikhda maxbuus loo noqon waryee

But Xiin fanin what you are failing to understand is we created a whole new history from 1991 till present day 2010, and so far the experiment, Is working, if we where having this discussion in 1993 , it would be a whole different scenario, This what I think Most Somalis believe Somalis are One homogeneous group of people this can be true , or this can be false. And thus most Somalis believe they should have one government. But didn’t that fail How ever I believe this is the problem Because we are so alike , we fail as a united front whether is genetically, or we are traditionally to different , So the only option is to save the people ,From another destruction is to Go back to the 1960 borders. Something does not appear to exist because a white man tells you it does. It exist because you created it., besides you cant compare puntland to Somaliland., Puntland is a state with in Somalia and wish not to break away from Somalia and its whole creation was Just a way to get the top seat in the TFG.

The rayaale Election was done by the people of Somaliland they voted for him. It has nothing to do With SMM and the former regime bombing Harigesa and burco.after all rayaale is a somalilander Ninka diyaraada hargeisa sudhay nin aad u caqli baddan bu aha

[Sikaawe]

Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf:

Yuhuuda iyo maraykan iyo ingrees manay isku mid ahayn ma gaalada kala fiican hada , Gaal wa gaal hadaad mid cilaqaat la yeelatid ka kale maxa ku didaya, wa waxba, qirada inaga daya walalayaal. Carabtu iyo Reer bani isreal waxay isku hayaan wa mid iyaga u taal. Ta anagu dhex gali meyno. Laakin anigu danaha Somaliland comes first danaha Somaliland cidi laga arko inay wax la qabanayso walala xidhidhaya Diin la eegi mayo isir la eegi mayo nassabkooda la eegi mayo dhaqankooda la eegi mayo Dalkooda la eegi mayo taarikhdooda la eegi mayo. Laakin wixi somaliland maslaxadooda ku jirta anagu wanu So dhaweyneyna

Xaaji waa runtaa intaa aad sheegtay oo dhami waanan kugu raacsanhay, laakiin waa in aynu xarfad ku darno oo aynaan haadaan iska tuurin. Yahuuda, Mareykan iyo Ingrees inooma kala sokeeyaan, laakiin Yahuuduna qori dableh ayuu la wareegaysaa oo meel ay ku gubto raadineysaa kuwa kalenana siyaasad iyo xarfad ayey aduunka ku kala wadaan. Markaa adeer hadii maanta ay Yahuudi dooneyso in ay ictiraafto ha ku dhawaaqdo, cidina uma diidayso, laakiin kama yeeleyno in aanu "yes man" u noqo yahuud oo ay weliba nagu xidho shuruudo kale. Ma waxa aad dooneysaa in Saudi hadana inaga joojiyo xoolaha oo inta Somalida ahee ka shaqaysatana debeda u soo tuuro,loooooooooool.... ama Malaysia inta wax ka barata soo saarto.

 

Aniga waxa markaa ila tahay in aan nimankaan lagu degdeg waayo ninka aad kabaha ka toleynayso kabahiisa ayaa la eegaa marka hore, nimankan wax wanaag ah weligood laguma sheegin wax ay xumeeyaan mooyaane.

[xiinfaniin]

^^

 

xaajigu gartuu yaqaannaa. Diyaaradda Hargeysa suran yuhuudi ma layahn , qolaa wadatay.

 

hadba waxaad ku ciil bixi kartaa kuu cawa adduuna weeyye tan xaajigu