To the TFG Fans

[N.O.R.F]

^^You mean the warlords that are 'ministers' today ya Caamir?

 

Or are you going to accuse me of fabrication?

[NASSIR]

Northerner, I think this author has beautiful explanation. Let me see what you say about it?

 

 

"The Question of Warlordism:

 

I am sure you will all agree with me warlordism is an extreme form of political militarism where as political actors resort to violent means to gain and maintain power. But warlordism is not limited to the notoriety associated with a few of the Somali military leaders including General Aideed’s, the General Yusuf’s, the Yalahows, the Qanyares, the General Morgans and colonel Jess’. Warlordism is rooted in our political culture. It only manifests itself as the highest spire of the militaristic chart of the political behavior of our elite. Both the warlords and their arch rival, whom I call the "Assemblists" (some call them the "Manifesto”), have used military power to seek jurisdiction and control. It can be safely argued that, in the particular case of Somalia, warlordism, at its extreme, describes a situation where a strongman not only attain attains political and economic control of his own clans territory, but seek to attain the same in the territory of other communities."...........

 

ON Accommodating the Warlords:

 

The TFG has also been unwisely criticized for having accommodated the warlords, after it defeated the UIC, which is only a very conveniently crafted gadget by the adversaries of the TFG. It emanates from the desperate hopes of the forces of division and fragmentation for the government to fail. Objectively considered though, the accommodation should have easily been considered a positive step on the part of the TFG, even at the risk of it being deviously sidelined by the these veterans and masters of deception. It is very strange that this is not considered an act of good will or an attempt at reaching out on the part of the government. In any case, there were a number of reasons for which the Mogadishu warlords could not be excluded.

 

First, in the absence of an alternative leadership in Mogadishu, the warlords have remained the real political leaders to contend with. Second, given that the UIC threatened to eliminate, as they did, the warlords, for good or for bad, the latter have become natural allies of the TFG in the aftermath of the defeat. The fact some of the warlords assisted the government to win the war has been a plus. Third, besides being the de facto community leaders, these warlords are members of Parliament, who, under the existing Charter cannot be removed, without the request of their respective clans. Fourth, and most importantly, given that they renounce violence and are willing to surrender their militia and weaponry, as they have done, they deserve a second chance—an opportunity which I doubt the UIC leadership would ever be willing to give after everything is said done by the international community. But most importantly, the word “warlord” is only a misnomer as long as these characters have not occupied the land of others, given the definition adopted earlier in this paper.

 

http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=009756

[N.O.R.F]

Caamir,

 

I know your stance is similar to his but what was so beautiful about it other than your agreement? An attempted justification for employing yesterday’s killers as ‘ministers’ today does not answer my earlier questions.

 

I repeat:

 

How will the TFG gain the trust of the people considering its members were warlords who kept Somalia in chaos for 16 years?

[N.O.R.F]

In the Somali capital, Mogadishu, elders of the locally-dominant ****** clan tell VOA that the interim government's plan to disarm civilians there by force will only ignite clan warfare and bring more instability. VOA Correspondent Alisha Ryu has more from our East Africa Bureau in Nairobi.

 

Struggling to assert control in the violence-wracked capital, the Somali transitional government announced on Sunday that its troops will soon begin conducting a massive, house-to-house search for weapons throughout Mogadishu.

 

Deputy Defense Minister Salad Ali Jelle says it is the intention of the government to disarm all civilians and bring security to the capital within 30 days.

 

In a telephone interview with VOA, the leaders of the dominant ****** clan in Mogadishu voiced strong objections to the disarmament plan.

 

Clan elder Abdulkadir Haji Muse says the biggest concern is who will be doing the disarming. He says most of the interim government troops patrolling the city are not from Mogadishu, but from the semi-autonomous region of Puntland. Moreover, the soldiers are members of ****** clan's chief rival, the *****.

 

Puntland is the home of interim President Abdullahi Yusuf, who is a *****. Muse says a move to disarm Mogadishu residents by force would be viewed by many people not as an effort by President Yusuf to bring security, but a move to marginalize and disenfranchise the ******.

 

The clan elder says he and many others are convinced that the disarmament plan is a ***** attempt to politically and militarily weaken the ******. Muse says his clan, which dominated the ousted Islamic Courts Union, will never accept government orders to disarm.

 

Somalia's multi-clan, U.N.-backed interim government tried to disarm civilians in Mogadishu two months ago, but postponed the process after hundreds of angry people rioted in the city.

 

Government officials say they will not back down this time because disarmament is the only way African peacekeepers can safely take control of the city's security.

 

The peacekeepers are to replace thousands of Ethiopian troops, whose military support of the interim government was crucial in driving out the Islamists in late December.

 

But many Somalis in the city view the Ethiopians as an invading force and the government they are protecting has been unable to gain popular support. Since January, both government and Ethiopian troops have come under near-daily attack from insurgents, who are believed to be radical Islamists, operating in cooperation with some disgruntled ****** factional militias.

 

About 1,000 troops from Uganda are already in Mogadishu as the vanguard of a planned eight-thousand member African Union peacekeeping mission to Somalia.

 

But another ****** clan leader, Khalid Hussein Abdi, tells VOA that their presence is not welcome. Abdi says he believes the peacekeepers will do nothing but support militias from Puntland and ***** clan members, who are planning to subjugate the ******.

 

Violence against the Ugandan peacekeepers began as soon as they arrived in Mogadishu last Tuesday, when they were greeted with a mortar barrage near the airport. The following day, insurgents ambushed a convoy of peacekeepers and on Friday, a cargo plane, carrying equipment and several Ugandan soldiers, landed at the Mogadishu airport in flames.

 

The Ugandan military said the plane had experienced mechanical problems and caught fire. But VOA has learned from reliable sources that the plane was hit by at least one rocket-propelled grenade fired from the ground .

 

source

[Ana_Juwa2]

An interesting insight into the how the public, albeit (since the door ****'s insist that UIC and their supporters are clan court terrrorists)the irrelevant public view this dubnked illegitmate organization.

 

You pose many valid and important questions Northner, still there are no responses worthy of the servity of the situation.

 

Looks like somali's are heading back into a long and potentially deveasting civil war similar to the one expirenced back in the early 90's.

 

Inshallah i hope this wont be the case, but it doesnt look good though.

 

lol K.N.O.B has been censorded out?

[N.O.R.F]

BUMP!

 

Where are TFg boys and girls? Lack of an opinion when it doesnt concern a cut and paste article? Come on, with the help of Xabashis you have grown hair on chests (not the ladies) lately, you have pumped some iron at the gym, you have huge muscles.

 

Time to flex them.

[N.O.R.F]

BUMP

 

What better time to forward a case for the TFG. If you want to do this start from the beginning of the thread and note the emphasis on clarity and rationale in order to be taken seriously.

[Ibtisam]

^^^Loool^ This should be interesting to read. I shall join the growing waiting crowed.