Inter-Clan conflicts or suicide-bombers, which one is more challenging to the TFG

[Emperor]

What is the correlation between an interclan conflict and a suicide bomber, I am aware of, know, have heard and read about many clan based conflicts but WTF is a suicide bomber?

 

Yeah, WTF is a suicide bomber?

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Kid, What does that abbreviation stands for? WTF.

 

MMA, read the report. It is fairly balanced on both fronts' human rights abuses, but the Islamists' actions have a magnitude that is beyond barbarity.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Originally posted by Seekknowledge:

Brainless suicide bombers are more dangerous like the looser who leaves an old watch for charity on his way to blow up innocent somalis like that little boy. He even smiles at the camera wonder if he is smiling right now dancing in the flames of hell. May Allah increase his punishments for ever. :mad:

What about those who justify such brainless actions. It is something we had never used to condone until recently. It is true that our society is being greatly influenced by outside cult that believes in this satanical form of killings and destruction.

The world bears as well the responsiblity for leaving Somalia too long in anarchy and for these practices of depravity to fester in and plague our society.

[Emperor]

^Overreacting are we? What's so sensitive about that, in some cases and in the context it was made unholly phrases could be employed at times..

 

You need to chill out son.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

What is that you don't understand in this topic? I don't get where you are coming from or what purpose you stand for.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Somali PM injects new life in peace efforts

Hopes for peace return to Somalia as PM moves to include Islamic Courts Union in dialogue.

Middle East Online

10 April 2008

 

NAIROBI - The new Somali prime minister's moves to include the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) opposition in peace efforts has begun to pay off, observers say, raising hopes for progress in a country in chaos for nearly two decades.

 

Since taking office in November, Nur Hassan Hussein has engaged Somalia's ICU opposition -- unlike his predecessor Ali Mohamed Gedi.

 

"The international community is very pleased by the approach of Prime Minister Hussein, which consists in talking to rival politicians," said Mario Raffaelli, Italy's special envoy for Somalia.

 

"European Union states have insisted on dialogue as military solutions can't overcome the current chaos in Somalia and the premier came with a clear roadmap to peace," said Raffaelli, a seasoned Somalia observer.

 

"You make peace with enemies not with friends."

 

The signs of hope for Somalia, where civil chaos has defied more than a dozen peace initiatives since the 1991 ouster of former president Mohamed Siad Barre, come even as violence continues to rage across the country.

 

The ICU, a movement which ousted US-backed warlords from Mogadishu in 2006, briefly ruled most parts of the country before being defeated by Ethiopian forces last year.

 

Somalia enjoyed relative peace and prosperity during the short-lived rule of the ICU before the Ethiopian invasion.

 

But the Ethiopian-backed Somali government troops are still battling the movement's military wing and allied clans in a guerrilla war which has left thousands dead and displaced hundreds of thousands.

 

The prime minister, President Abdullahi Yusuf and ICU leaders were expected to gather in neighbouring Djibouti this week for ice-breaking contacts.

 

The first step in the roadmap for peace drafted by the new prime minister provides for local initiatives.

 

The most ambitious project is a scheme whereby traders can organise their own security and policing in Mogadishu's main mercantile area, the large Bakara market.

 

Ethiopian and Somali government troops no longer carry out patrols in the area, but in exchange, Bakara vigilantes also have to keep ICU insurgents at bay.

 

The initiative is seen as key to restoring stability in the capital, where insurgents have concentrated their attacks over the past year.

 

But hawks within the government have been reluctant to let Ethiopian troops pull back and the Bakara project has struggled to get off the drawing board.

 

And members from Somalia's dominant ****** clan and the ICU opposition had refused to take part in previous reconciliation attempts, arguing that talks should be held outside of Somalia and only after an Ethiopian withdrawal.

 

The prime minister's roadmap states that the transitional federal government "is prepared to accept as a venue for the discussions anywhere the government and opposition both agree."

 

The government's proposals were met by a markedly more conciliatory tone in the opposition camp.

 

"The call for dialogue by the PM is encouraging. The ****** Traditional Council will support all measures that would help Somalis overcome their differences," ****** spokesman Ahmed Derive Ali said.

 

The leader of the Alliance for the Re-liberation of Somalia -- an opposition umbrella group based in Asmara and dominated by the ICU -- said his movement was willing to give Hussein a chance.

 

"Members of the international community are trying to help Somalis overcome their differences and we will do all we can to be flexible and achieve a lasting peace," Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed said last week.

 

The cleric nevertheless made it clear that the continued presence of Somali soil of Ethiopian troops he perceives as Christian crusaders would be an obstacle to any agreement.

 

Government officials have warned the ICU not to set pre-conditions to dialogue and stressed that bringing all main protagonists to the same table was paramount.

 

During recent talks with international brokers in Nairobi, Sharif Hassan Sheikh Aden -- a former Somali parliament speaker considered a moderate within the opposition -- was quick to reassure his partners.

 

"We accept nothing less than a genuine peace deal with no ulterior motives, we are ready for peace," he said.

 

The United Nations special envoy for Somalia, Ahmed Ould Abdallah, also took heart from the recent progress made in paving the way for a viable peace process in the devastated Horn of Africa country.

 

"These are very encouraging new developments," he said in a statement earlier this month.

 

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Story from the Middle East Online

[Emperor]

^What is it with you man, If I don't get the meaning of the word suicide bomber does that warrant your anger towards me, or is your topic far too important to be understood...

 

Aright, I understand the meaning of the word but how does it relate to the interclan conflict.

 

PS: What does your latest report of peace efforts got to do with this topic?

[Nephissa]

ahah@Kooro. Ready to strike like a threatened porcupine. Put a halt to it dude. The brother is on your side, enemy he's not.

[Socod_badne]

Koora-Tuunshe, I pore through the link you provided and it says nothing about what you wrote. If you could be so kind and provide the exact lines, I'll appreciate it. Else, I'll take it that you were lying.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Originally posted by Emperor:

Aright, I understand the meaning of the word but how does it relate to the interclan conflict.

 

I clearly underlined two security threats the government is dealing with. One is the inter-clan conflicts and the other is the suicide bombing tactics Al-Shabab employs.

Isn't the government supposed to provide and improve the security of the country?

 

eg. Who is supposed to respond when peace is disturbed or two persons fight? The Police, right? (inter-clan conflicts)

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Socod, this pretty much summarizes it.

 

See the Link:

Human rights abuses included unlawful and politically motivated killings; kidnapping, torture, rape, and beatings; official impunity; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; and arbitrary arrest and detention. In part due to the absence of functioning institutions, the perpetrators of human rights abuses were rarely punished.......Discrimination and violence against women, including rapes; female genital mutilation (FGM); child abuse; recruitment of child soldiers; trafficking in persons; abuse and discrimination against clan and religious minorities; restrictions on workers' rights; forced labor, including by children; and child labor were also problems.

 

............Members of antigovernment and extremist organizations like al-Shabaab, some of whose members were affiliated with al-Qa'ida, committed numerous human rights violations, including killings of TFG members and civilians; kidnappings and disappearances; restrictions on freedom of movement; displacement of civilians; and attacks on journalists and human rights activists....

Prominent peace activists, clan elders, and their family members became targets and were either killed or injured for their role in peace-building......

 

....Use of excessive force by government forces, TFG militia, and ENDF troops resulted in the deaths of demonstrators during the year (see section 2.b.)

 

.........During the year an estimated hundreds of civilians were killed in inter- or intra-clan militia clashes. Killings resulted from clan militias fighting for political power and control of territory and resources, revenge reprisals; criminal activities and banditry; private disputes over property and marriage; and revenge vendettas after such incidents as rapes, family disagreements, murders, and abductions. With the breakdown of law and order, very few of these cases were investigated by the authorities, and there were few reports that those cases resulted in formal action by the local justice system.

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by Socod_badne:

Koora-Tuunshe, I pore through the link you provided and it says nothing about what you wrote. If you could be so kind and provide the exact lines, I'll appreciate it. Else, I'll take it that you were lying.

Some people make it up as they go along, if you didn't know!