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[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

This is a hitorical clip, as sad, cringing and lamentable as it is to watch. Wixii xiligaas bilowday meel la qabto la'dahay maanta.

 

One cannot avoid but forced to notice how the so-called leaders in the clip are well-off and kuwa lasoo sirayna, the ignorant youths, bilaa micno u dagaalamaayena diifka, rafaadka iyo busta ka muuqato, especially at the end kuwa dhaawaca ah laga naxaayo aragooda iyo muuqaalka see yihiin. I just don't understand waxee ka dheefeen than waxaas, siiba kuwa isla quman ka muuqdo cajalka. Beri meeshaas loogu tagaa markee dhaawac noqdaan. Odey qabqable Soomaaliyeed ku daneystay in the name of so-called tolka's advancement.

 

Sida loo plan gareynaayo, loo execute gareynaayo the war planning, it is so sad that it is almost too ridiculous to watch. Waxaaba moodaa cadow shisheeye in duulaan lagu yahay. Equally, the other side were doing their bloody share as well, as cruel as this clip is.

 

Give, also, a closer look at the background too as well, how jano-like the deegaan was. That was Jubbooyinka. Key word is was. Today, waa kaas, geedahaas iyo dhirtaas la wada gubay maanta in order dhuxul la dhoofiyo laga sameeyo by maafiyo with fattened bellies and zero damiir Soomaaliyeed, dhulkaasna abaar nabaadguur ah ka dhigay.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Very sad Video & it continues up to this time.

 

You reminded me of some valid questions raised by Dr. Mahamud M. Yahye in response to Abbas, a freelance writer, who critiqued an important topic of the author concerning the concept of Jihad which is contemporary global issues that affect us as well.

 

This was his illuminating and informed questions.

 

Shall we have good relations - public or personal - with unbelievers? Shall we establish friendships or commercial/economic ties with them? Are you entitled, under the noble Islamic faith, to call another Muslim with whom you have some differences - political or otherwise - a "kafir", an infidel or an apostate? Is democracy, i.e., the rule of people (a Western invention), incompatible with Islam, as espoused by men like the extremist Hassan Dahir Aweys (a former prison guard during Gen. Siad Barre’s tyrannical regime and the leader of the now defunct, fundamentalist Islamic Courts Union in Somalia)? These are some of the basic issues that my opponent was expected to deal with or discuss but has utterly failed to do so.

 

 

.....Abbas wrote:

"I suggest that fighting and hostilities among Somalis must be brought to an end through full reconciliation ..."

This is a real platitude, an empty word or a mere lip service. It is similar to the mantra that some people utter disingenuously by saying that “Somalia’s problem can only be solved by Somalis”. This is a nonsensical humbug. Somalis have been killing each other like animals for more than 17 years now and they could not solve their political/tribal problems.

And although 15 national reconciliation conferences have so far been held – all of them financed by friendly countries and the international community at large – the fact remains that Somalia’s ruinous civil war could not be stopped completely. So tell us, Mr. Abbas, how in concrete terms this disastrous civil war could be brought to a real end instead of throwing at us an empty and meaningless phrase like the above suggestion of yours?

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[Som@li]

No plan whatsoever than fight,No wonder they failed and turned to kill each otjher.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Originally posted by Dabshid:

No plan whatsoever than fight,No wonder they failed and turned to kill each otjher.

All Soomaalis turned on each other. Mid mid kale dhaamo ma jirto. Kuwii shaley isla jiray, beri iska soo horjeedo oo isdilaayo. Kuwii shaley cadow ahaa maanta isla safan. Meel ay u socdaan iyo ka socdaan ma yaqaanaan ka ahayn daadiska dhiig maati Soomaaliyeed.

 

Daneyste aan xad lahayn ayaa hoggaan sheegto, taas ugu wacan. Kuwa u sacabtumana iyagaa ka daran kuwaas.

[AYOUB]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: This is a hitorical

clip

, as sad, cringing and lamentable as it is to watch. Wixii xiligaas bilowday meel la qabto la'dahay maanta.

 

One cannot avoid but forced to notice how the so-called leaders in the clip are well-off and kuwa lasoo sirayna, the ignorant youths, bilaa micno u dagaalamaayena diifka, rafaadka iyo busta ka muuqato, especially at the end kuwa dhaawaca ah laga naxaayo aragooda iyo muuqaalka see yihiin. I just don't understand waxee ka dheefeen than waxaas, siiba kuwa isla quman ka muuqdo cajalka. Beri meeshaas loogu tagaa markee dhaawac noqdaan. Odey qabqable Soomaaliyeed ku daneystay in the name of so-called tolka's advancement.

 

Sida loo plan gareynaayo, loo execute gareynaayo the war planning, it is so sad that it is almost too ridiculous to watch. Waxaaba moodaa cadow shisheeye in duulaan lagu yahay. Equally, the other side were doing their bloody share as well, as cruel as this clip is.

 

Give, also, a closer look at the background too as well, how jano-like the deegaan was. That was Jubbooyinka. Key word is

was

. Today, waa kaas, geedahaas iyo dhirtaas la wada gubay maanta in order dhuxul la dhoofiyo laga sameeyo by maafiyo with fattened bellies and zero damiir Soomaaliyeed, dhulkaasna abaar nabaadguur ah ka dhigay.

^^ Hindsight bias or were you a "pacifist" back then?

 

This edited clip just shows USC going after the remnants of the ******ist forces. Couldn't pick up all the chatter but that's what most the chaps interviewed said. The USC might be guilty of meticulous planning, but the allegation against the deceitful use of "wadaads" by their opponents is a serious one indeed.

[Jacpher]

^What are you on about?

 

MMA: I've seen a similar footage years ago where they shot three young men in early twenties. They were lost and didn't know what side they ended up. Of course prisoners of war; they got interviewed and looked extraordinarily scared. Unbearable for anyone to watch as these young men got shot on camera by Aideed militia and sadly, on the perception of doing a dutiful service (read: Jihaad).

 

There you see Aideed Sr, Qeybdiid, & Caato in cohorts of each other to advance their own political goals, not that of their respective clan. You see the same men and of course their likes, over and over leading any peace conciliation attempts. It's good to ask why these young men are taking part in these conflicts with less personal gain and much greater chance of loss of limb or life. But it's even better to ask why Somali populace are numb about this much bleeding and abuse?

[Gabbal]

This is the battle of Araare. Somalis know it as "Dagaalki buundada Araare".

 

Synopsis: Where most of the Gedo-origin folks in Mogadishu made way to Gedo, most of the Puntland-origin folks escaped for the most nearest safety-zone, i.e Kismaayo.

 

Morgan then organized a small militia of sorts from among those internal refugees and it is they who were involved in this chapter of the civil war.

 

Sadly they would be out-gunned, and out-manned and Araare took the form of a massacre but it opened up the chapter in which an army led by a Col Afgabdeedle came from Baardheere and would chase all those you see in the video to Baali-doogle.

 

This took place much before the big meet in Afgooye that saw the SNF surrounded from the back by the RRA and the front from by the USC forcing them to retreat to the border areas.

 

Incidentally, the repercussions of this battle was such that the security of Kismaayo came to be seen as tied with the security of Gedo and became the precursor of SNF-folk leadership over that city and the surrounding countryside.

[Suldaanka]

Dagaalkii Koonfurta Somaliya markaa ayuu sharaf lahaa. At least, a united rebel group was chasing a toppled dictator out of the country.

 

But, markii USC isku soo jeedsatay ee jabhadii kale isku jeedsadeen ee meeshi qasantay ayuu sharaftii beelay oo wax laga yaxyaxo noqday.

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by AYOUB:

but the

allegation

against the deceitful use of "wadaads" by their opponents is a serious one indeed.

Key word sxb, "allegation". What makes you think any Somali "jabhad" in the early 90's had respect for life, morality, and religion?

 

Why would the Caydiid (alle hau naxariisto) whose policy was to make any militia member of his high on a concoction of khaat and hashiish have had respect for religion?

 

Teeda kale, watch the video correctly. Several individuals are interviewed and everyone one of them relays the battle differently, some do it with much bravado and others with modesty. Some say "waa dhawr", and then others say "hawdka bay ku jireen ee lama qiyaasi karo", etc.

 

This is the importance of different perspective.

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Suldaanka:

Dagaalkii Koonfurta Somaliya markaa ayuu sharaf lahaa. At least, a united rebel group was chasing a toppled dictator out of the country.

 

But, markii USC isku soo jeedsatay ee jabhadii kale isku jeedsadeen ee meeshi qasantay ayuu sharaftii beelay oo wax laga yaxyaxo noqday.

Clap, clap and the fellow from Dunbuluq is happy to see USC chasing "Fa-qashti". Surprising?

 

The thing is Suldaan-oow, southern Somalis have long moved and passed on, many of those people have shook hands with the people they were fighting then.

 

Ragu waa ay lagdamaan, gacmahana way isa saaraan. Raganimo weeye. Maxaad adinku la calaacashiin marka?

[Suldaanka]

^^ Belo

Malaa waxaad ka jeclaan lahayd dagaalada macno darada ah ee koonfurta ka socda inuu Waqooyi'ga na ka socdaan oo maalinba warlord soo ifbaxo? Raganimo iyo geesinimo ka dheer taasi awoowe.

 

 

Laakin waxa aan ka hadlay waxa weeye dagaal Koonfurta Somaliya wuxu sharaf lahaa markuu hadafka lahaa.

 

Hadafkii USC ee dowladda Mogadishu iyo koonfurta ka saara, waxa ka iloobeen talaabadii ka danbayssay marka arinka lagu guulaysto. Waa Qorshe nabadeed lagu soo dabaali lahaa oo aan laga sii fakarin.

 

Wixii intaa ka danbeeyey raganimo iyo geesinimo ka dheer dagaalada koonfurta ka socdaa.

[Jacpher]

Dagaalkii Koonfurta Somaliya markaa ayuu sharaf lahaa. At least, a united rebel group was chasing a toppled dictator out of the country.

Hadafkii USC ee dowladda Mogadishu iyo koonfurta ka saara, waxa ka iloobeen talaabadii ka danbayssay marka arinka lagu guulaysto. Waa Qorshe nabadeed lagu soo dabaali lahaa oo aan laga sii fakarin.

Was Siyaad Barre (Alle Yarxamu) even in the country in April?

[Gabbal]

Suldaan-

 

Hadafka USC waligeyd sharaf maysan lahayn!

 

The most anti-state elements were present-day Puntlanders. Even before your own folk, they were in the bush rebelling to install a 60's era administration overran by their sub-clannish groups.

 

If the USC was a legitimate anti-state rebel group, they would not have went after innocent civilians of Puntland-origin and others who were anti-state even before them while men such as Cabdullahi Caddow, Cabdiqasim Salaad, and Kulmiye Afrax walked free!

 

It was designed to ethnically cleanse a whole Somali make-up from the capital they were a minority in irrespective of their support of the state or not.

 

Get your facts right adeer...although one admits your position is not very surprising considering the clannish animosities amongst SOmalis.

[Som@li]

Originally posted by Suldaanka:

Dagaalkii Koonfurta Somaliya markaa ayuu sharaf lahaa. At least, a united rebel group was chasing a toppled dictator out of the country.

War ninka cuqdada haysaa waynaa! :eek:

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

There you see Aideed Sr, Qeybdiid, & Caato in cohorts of each other to advance their own political goals, not that of their respective clan. You see the same men and of course their likes, over and over leading any peace conciliation attempts. It's good to ask why these young men are taking part in these conflicts with less personal gain and much greater chance of loss of limb or life. But it's even better to ask why Somali populace are numb about this much bleeding and abuse?

Soomaali hoggaamiye ku sheega ayaa wada saas u badan, kamid ahayeena kuwa aa sheegtay, Jimcaaloow. Ani daneyste hoggaan sheeganaayo lama yaabaayi, oo calooshiis buuxinteeda u daran. Aniga waxaa iga yaabiyo waa jaahiliinta u dagaalamo, believing in the name of tolka. Berina duurkaas ayaa loogu tagaa markee ku dhintaan dhiig walaalaha Soomaaliyeed, kuwii dhaawacmayna ha sheegin, oo meeshooda lagu iloobaa.

 

Kuwaas dalkii ayeeba ku suganyihiin, oo qaarkood geeljire iska wada ahaa, oo lasoo siray, oo wax lala yaabo inkastoo tahay, haddana aqoon la'aanta ku badan. Waxaa yaabka ugu sii sareysaa kuwii dibadaha ku qaangaaray, oo qabyaalad ku raagtay, u sacabtumaayana daneystiyaashaas hoggaanka sheegto. Kuwaasaa ka daran, as attested by some posted posts by some members of this very thread.

 

Qabyaalad kama koraan, oo living room, fabricated history masqueraded as bogus facts loogu soo sheekeeye kama weynaadaan, iyagoo xishood la'aan ahna inta ula soo shirtago, believing we would believe that crap. Beena kama xishoodaan miyaa horta? Qabyaalad qurunkeedana goormee ka kori doonaan?