Hargaysa :Secessionist quest for recognition, progress indeed

[General Duke]

^^^Red Sea, you seem even more confused than usual. The southern Mudug clans under Aydeed with thousands of soldiers were defeated in Galkacyu in 1993. Thus a secessionist who knows nothing of history can not be taken seriously. Let me school you a little, we have no problems with clans, it’s the ideologies which are abhorrent to us, the USC has moved on, what we have now is issues regarding, taxes, but the ownership of Galkacyu is not in any dispute, the cities airport was once an area Galmudug claimed, that is no more, the markets, the two entrances of the city all are in the hands of true admin led by Abdirahman M Xaji Xasan.

Galkacyu is the Duke's home, both communities are my own blood, thus get another subject lad.

 

As for the second part about LA, where were you when Yusuf chased and humiliated your militias a few years back? Or Red Sea are you born every few months, much like your avatar and your stances in SOL?

[RedSea]

^What you fought over is irrelevant to my argument. My point is very simple, and it's Buntland is weak entity that cannot secure if need be the safety of its own citizens. Your security forces committed an aggression into Galmudug side of Galkacayo and your citizens paid hefty price for it. Now, as I said, I could care less if you dwell in that overblown village, what I'm interested is the recent conflict and how you were proven to lack the capacity to do anything. Lets jut hope that your revealed weakness doesn't' invite Alshabab. Lord, I would wonder how long it would take for your security forces to hold it together before they crumble like a cookie in a milk jar and flee as they have become accustome to in recent past.

 

Secondly, Southern Galkacayo is NOT part of Buntland and has never been. So you control nothing beyond your imaginations. The city is divided along clan lines North and South(mos relevent sides) and has been so since the '93 green line resolution. In that year, an USC wing consisting of just one sub clan defeated and smashed your entire clan. It took many attempts and 'tolaay yaa jaberti' for you to settle back North Galkacayo.

 

In addition, the LA issue is off the table. It's mind now.

[General Duke]

Red Sea, again you are rearranging your prejudices that’s all. It is clear you know nothing about, Galkacyu Its history and its recent news worthy events.

Just reread my post, all the cities main infrastructure is in the hands of Puntland, all 12 Xafads of the four districts are in Puntland hands. One Xafad is shared. The two entrances to the city, and the airport located in southern area is in control of Puntland. Again these are facts.

 

Puntland security forces were never utilized, the tank fire was only used to subdue the mortar attack on the civilian areas, which it did in minutes. Again we lost nothing, not an inch nor do we covet Baraxlay nor are inferiority driven like the SNM to claim other peoples land, Puntland is far too large, rich and strong enough for our future.

 

Aydeed lost the war in Galkacyu, as you know he never signed any agreement with anyone other Yusuf, and that’s tells you allot, as for your strong talk, LA is not in your hands its run by the clan that dominates it, Riyaale pays them a little wage. You are bussy getting Mugged like the rest of the SNM. Adeer you don’t even control Hargaysa, so why are you talking?

[RedSea]

^^^So, in short, do you consider Southern Galkacayo part of Buntland? Simple answer will do.

 

As for size of Buntland would be Northern Galkacayo, Bosaaso, and village Gorowe and pretty much the space between them. Boorama, Hargeisa, Burco, Berbera and 2/3 of Sanaag includings its capital Erigavo is under direct Somaliland control as well 2/3 of Sool including its state capital as well. The rest are pretty much no man's land(in the sense of the word).Unlike Galkacayo, we do not feel the need to to transgress nor start conflict between the Somali citizens living in multi clan city like Erigavo. You know, instead of critizing Somaliland you could learn thing or two on how to conduct between brotherly people. Just look at Las Anod ever since your hasty departure, it became nice little peaceful town. Most citizens there are now content with SL rule. Good riddance Buntland. :cool:

[bilan]

Duke, why are you wasting your time w/ Red, he is full of hate and envy. what is eating him up is that people in that city are not killing each other, they decided to live together, I have no doubt that he would’ve slept better tonight if he heard hundreds die. But unfortunately someone forgot to tell him that you do not get recognition like that.

[RedSea]

Originally posted by bilan:

Duke, why are you wasting your time w/ Red, he is full of hate and envy. what is eating him up is that people in that city are not killing each other, they decided to live together, I have no doubt that he would’ve slept better tonight if he heard hundreds die. But unfortunately someone forgot to tell him that you do not get recognition like that.

lets not get personal here. And I do not simply wish for things to appear. With that being said, we are discussing what just happened last week in Galkacayo and how the Buntland security forces attacked people minding their business.

[General Duke]

Red Sea, my boy, again you highlight your lack of understanding and nothing more. Galkacyu is inhabited by titans of Somali politics, aside from that it’s a non issue, communities have differences the fact that we are armed means it can get a little dangerous at times, but this is an unusual occurrence in a near 20 years of quite. The distance between Galkacyu and Bossaso is how long? That’s a question for you to handle and answer it.

 

Our economy is booming today, our system of government has brought a transition that you SNM only dream of, Egaal has long died and Riyaale is just a bully who is sucking the very energy out of your clans. I can tell you that SSC is closer to me any day, for the simple fact we are a single family, blessed by the lord to have so much land and space.

 

You are wasting precious time for the secessionist cause, how does that trouble me, while I am preparing to take over everything and drill my oil?

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Qudhac:

red

 

but it would make good dress for, our village baffon who thinks battles are won on cyber net, but maybe he know can be as brave as he like with that nice dress on and eye patch.... :eek:

 

 

Duke,

 

Dont lie to yourself adeer.There is no oil coming and you can't control anything beyond, pay attention now your ego. You gotta settle back to reality sir with all due respect. There is nothing wrong in a man who dreams, but please dont pass them as real life events. Some of them come true and most of them dont. You're setting your hopes too high, and perhaps at the end of 2010 I might have something new to mock you about. I'm so tired of Ina Yey and his failed adventure.

 

Secondly, Sool and Sanaag sure are your kinfolks. But only if blood relations meant something. Today both Sool and Sanaag remain under the authority of Somaliland, not forcefully I must add, but by clear choice made by the poeple of both sool and Sanaag. You admitted that yourself.

[General Duke]

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people

One talks about unity, secessionisam and a federation of the Somali's. =Duke

 

Others talk about K'naan, Maryan Mursals trip and how it will help with recognition.

 

Others discuss the Duke an individual in SOL.

 

I am flattered lads.

[RedSea]

^lool sophistication require alot of work. You can't claim it if it isn't there buddy. How many times have you discussed this man below? You supported the TFG because of him, and now oppose it because he is no longer in the picture. What about Riyaale and the mugged ones etc..etc.

 

 

 

K'naan and Maryan Mursal are well known Somali entertainers. Maryan Mursal went to Somaliland to open a new school for her disadvantaged community, while K'naan went there to do a film about the Somali culture.Where do you get this nonsense that anyone expects of them a recognition?

 

To remind you, you opened up this silly thread. Give yourelf pat on the back will ya!

[General Duke]

^^^Again the topic is about how far the secessionist pursuit has fallen. Its no longer about nations but about entertainers, K'naan & Maryan are Somali's, nothing more adeer.

 

No nation has yet to recognise the phantom state, none has ever given them any special treatment.

 

Thus keep discussing the dude, secessionists have failed and I hope the Mugging stops.

 

Now you are getting better, the legend in China, after embracing the flag adeer I am impressed

[Suldaanka]

Red sea,

 

Waar ninyow shactiro badanidaa, miyaa ka yaraysid.

 

It is the first anniversary since Dukey became an orphan. He is a bit emotional and imitating Comical Ali, is one way he expresses those emotions.. so be easy on him mate.

[Thankful]

For half this decade Lascaanod was in Puntlands control, Riyaale after he was chased out has never returned. Yet you are bragging about having Habsaade on your side?

[RedSea]

Suldaanka,

 

Mar mar baa lagu kacaa ninkan saaxib. Markii sheekadu ay ku foorarto ayuu xaga Somaliland usoo carara.

 

 

Duke,

 

Don't be so bitter if world known Somali entertainers go to Hargeisa to enterain our crowd. I'm sure Buntland would be excited to catch a glimpse of what is going down in Hargeisa. What do you guys do for fun over there anyways?

 

On a serious note,Personally recognition isn't the most important aspect about Somaliland. What is more important to me is the peace maintained in Somaliland, advancement in the region as far as infrastructure, education systems as well as health institutions, along with their developments in other aspects. This is the position of many Somalilanders. However, gaining recognition is a national goal and we will continue to lobby for the international community until we get what we deserve. There is no room for your pessimism.

 

More importantly, Somaliland has more advanced universities(Amoud, Hargeisa, Buroe) and secondary schools, boarding schools than your state Buntland. While you chase non existing and far fetched oil deals, w/ piracy problems, human trafficking, and sky rocketing inflations in your currency and lack of security; we Somaliland on the other hand thrive in all those areas. The latest political gridlock is sign of civility. It happens all around the world, even people die for such. But I don't think a Buntland would understand that since nothing of that magnitude has ever taken place in his/her neck of the woods.

 

Politically, it was earlier this year when you had first smooth transfer of power ever and many of you went ballistic, understandably so, since the whole concept of power transfer was an alien idea to you.And it happened through parliamentary prodecure whereby a small room packed with men had to hand pick Faroole. In contrast, we have to register over a Million people to vote, finance , and make sure all the measures of free elections are met. The commision wasn't up to level and ready to accumulate such capacity, so delays. But again, you jumped on that and perceived it as sign of incompetency It takes more time, energy and money to conduct elections based open ballots wherby the citizens themselves decide shall represent them. This more complex and time consuming than simples YEA and NAY that is practiced in Buntland's small parliament rooms. The parliamentary election procedure is a thing of the past in Somaliland. So, once you get to the point where Buntland conducts a successful state wide elections done through the ballot can you then criticize while gloating over your success. Buntland isn't up to that level as of yet, so it should take important notice of Somaliland in case they hoped to imitate it in the future. As for parliamentary, That is how we elected Abdirahman Tuur AUN in 1991 and twice for Igal AUN. Those were easy. But even since Somaliland adopted the multi national party system, it required more xomplex way to settle elections. We have three national parties, and you have how many? we already had two open elections where people got to vote one of which being for the parliament and the other for the Presidency in 2003. We are gaining more experience as a people and as a nation of how to conduct elections. There are some bumps along the road politically as such is the case today, it's okay, it's only a sing of civility and human progress. Once we established the commission and the election procedures than this establishment will be rock solid from all aspects. And who knows recognition will come. But that is nothing you should concern yourself with I'm sure. Hold on to your end and not transgress.

[RedSea]

Thankful,

 

The city was divided between Somaliland and Puntland. We had no military presence in the area and hence no resistance once Buntland militia invaded Las Anod. However when we massed a thousand of our finest, you were chased out of town and never looked back.

 

Also ambushing a Presidential convoy is an act of cowardly. But all you did was to agitate Rayaale to order in our security forces to beat the living crap out of Buntland militia. Today we are stationed in a village named Tukaraq mere 35KM from your state capital Gorowe. we dont intend to advance onto it, but if provoked the Somaliland government already made clear it will not hesitates to order our boys in and do little house cleaning in Gorowe itself. Perhaps we might have little regime change cooking for us here pretty soon!