What Political system would suit the Somalis and why?

[Rahima]

Inshallah, we shall come to a common understanding next time. Better get some sleep, long day tommorow

 

As for shipping, not my thing sister . I prefer to reason with people, less hassle .

[Baashi]

QL,

Your observations are correct to some extent. We had two distinct systems of governance so far. Both were secular: democracy and socialism. Both didn’t work because of the “negative†tribalism (negative tribalism is basically a collective state of mind or consciousness in which people believe their primary duty and loyalty is to the clan). Both were alien and diametrically opposite to the dominant indigenous tribal system, that majority of Somalis are known to have as a way of life. Imposition of alien and secular socio-political system on these unique tribal communities that are egalitarian in their political orientation, Muslims in faith, communal and pastoral in their social and economical outlook had profound and lasting effect on Somali psychic. Average Somali’s conception of the state reflects deep-rooted misconception of the actual function of the government.

 

Yes, we do have a system of governance, an indigenous one but it falls short and many ways incompatible with the modern conception of what the system of governance entails. Reconciling the ever-present clan allegiance that most Somalis subscribe to with the legal structure and formal institutions of society in providing much of the cohesiveness and order necessary for the existence of the modern nation-state proved to be a tall order. It is not surprising to me that folks in Nairobi seemed to get along with the naked tribalism “4.5†formula as a political reference point where government and its magnificent formal institutions are formed around.

 

I agree with Rahima. She is right on the money! But we have to understand that even though Somalis are Muslims in faith they nevertheless are “lay†Muslims. Anyone who wishes to see Islamic state in Somalia has to accept gradual step-by-step reintroduction of Islam as a viable political system. If I had my way today, I would have insisted on a political environment that allows freedom for the active campaign I have in mind to take place. Once that is achieved, the self-evident truths and beauty of Islamic justice would flourish right in front of whoever is in power at the time. Once the population becomes receptive to the dictates of Islam then it would be easy to impose Islam through the ballot. I’m ardent believer of the saying: Lots of times you have to pretend to join a parade in which you're not really interested in order to get where you're going.

[AYOUB]

^^^ I agree with most of your last paragraph especially the "gradual step-by-step reintroduction of Islam as a viable political system",. But, if we want an "Islamic system", the right place to start building that is at schools. The school curriculums must include at least the basic knowledge of what is meant by "rule by what Allah sent down". The trouble is; how can we 'convince' politicians who have no plan or interest to do that? We can at least ask and pressure the ones who visit these parts of the worlds about it, is there more we can do? Maybe sponsoring islamic schools?

 

BTW, some wadaads consider to "impose Islam through the ballot" as xaraam.

[OG_Girl]

LOL@WD. That is my point too. As long I have freedom and Justice , I don't care what law they follow.

 

If every one is Happy then that is what Allah wants and that is Islamic way . I don't buy big names any more I learned well my history books.

 

you stick to your thing and I will stick to mine .We will be happy that way ----will you ?

 

 

Salam

[Xarago]

Originally posted by OG_Girl:

....please don't tell me like brother Salafi that you would ship me to Karbala cause that will be begining of Civil war..

If I had my way I will ship you to Mars... eddo am joking.

[OG_Girl]

LOL@Xarago. Why eedo I love you. I am just crazy but you can't get rid of me that easy can you

 

LOL@ WD, we should start to create a new part and call "freedom part" so that is fancy name too ...they can't beat us can they

 

Salam

[QUANTUM LEAP]

Hmmm pheww how quick this topic has gone by without me looking at the different response some knee jerk and others pretty good. I thank you all for the contributions. I do take this as a mutual debate that suits all and hopefully too that we learn as we contribute from each other. Politics is something that is in its infancy in our part of the world and I’m hoping that we as the generation of today and tomorrow can somehow come to across as regards the sort of political institution we would like to belong and support. Some of you prefer the Islamic sharia and others prefer the circularized version and a mixture Marxist and Chinese laws…ïŠ. Ideally it’s always good to know what one is talking about before responding to them and I hope and urge you all to read understand and then respond. Listening, understanding and responding are skills that many people don’t have and if one is endowed then he/she should thank Allah for that.

Most political scientific or political philosophic theories of the origins of the polity and polity-building, suggest that polities are founded by force and organized as hierarchies, developed by accident as centers with peripheries, or constructed throughout reflection and choice as no centralized matrices. In our part there is no such thing an organized political system other than a few who are working over time just feeling their own pockets and spending money that would have otherwise been used for good causes. In real politics the three may be somewhat mixed but in fact every polity is constituted on the basis of one or another, which remains dominant in its form of government if and until a fundamental reconstitution takes place and in this case we Somalis are on ground zero.

Northerner - thought of it as an organizational chart where power trickled down to the masses but I would call it the pyramid version which is the classic expression of the hierarchical model, with organizational authority and power distributed among levels linked through a chain of command. Having its origin in some form of conquest, the use of force, a possibility in all polities, and its implication of its constitution. Thus it is the military model par excellence. It goes without saying that, in the hierarchical model, the top level must be the most important and the place where decisions are made as to which level does what.

The center-periphery model is one in which authority is concentrated in a single center which is more or less influenced by its periphery, depending upon the situation in which it finds itself. Such polities or organizations tend to develop organically, either around a center or through generating one over time. They tend to be oligarchic in character, with power in the hands of those who constitute the center. Power is either concentrated or dispersed according to decisions taken in the center which may or may nor include significant representation from the peripheries.

The federal, or matrix, model reflects a polity compounded of arenas within arenas held together by common framing institutions and a shared communications network. This brings in mind the scattered nature of Somalia and each regions coming together or equals to establish a mutually useful framework within which all can function on an equal basis, usually defined by a pact. Consequently, it reflects the fundamental distribution of powers among multiple centers across the matrix, not the devolution of powers from a single center or down a pyramid. Each cell in the matrix represents an independent political actor and an arena for political action. Some cells are larger and some smaller and the powers assigned to each may reflect that difference, but none is "higher" or "lower" in importance than any other, unlike in an organizational pyramid where "levels are distinguished as higher or lower as a matter of constitutional design".

I would also love to see an Islamic state with respectable ideals and were resources are distributed through the masses fairly and ofcouse the laws being fair for all and not only the poor. In this case I’m thinking of Saudi Arabia where there is a class system that makes others more powerful and high and mighty than the rest of the masse

[IL CAPO]

in my opinion,The best interest for our people lies in dictatorship mixed with Socialism.

 

Why?

 

Because what do we know about democracy and howmany of us really have a religious background where we have a clear understanding for Islam?

 

We are Nomads and Nomads need a strong leadership, a leader who will put his foot down because as we all know democracy is for corrupt souls, people with no moral values whatsoever.

 

Now howmany Somalis do you know that will be happy with the so-called Western family law, where a mother can't spank her kid for his misdemeanors huh?

 

Would you allow your child to be g@y and proud? Well. That is democracy for you my dear,

 

Now don't you agree with me when I say we need a Dictator, like Mugabe who doesn't care about what the big boys at the west think of him or say about him?

Long Live Dictators.

[QUANTUM LEAP]

Mugabe? Naaaaa he isnt smart dictator at all....imagine destroying the economy of the country at will without a thought and industries coming to ahalt. You need a dictator who keeps his people in check but at the same time doesnt stifle development like Mugabe has done so far. He could have used the constitution to take away lands rather than force it as he did.

[Truth Seeker]

THE SHAPE OF THE ISLAMIC RULING SYSTEM IS NOT MONARCHICAL

 

The shape of the Islamic ruling system is not monarchical. It neither approves of the monarchical shape of government nor does it resemble it.

 

The ruling in the monarchical system of government is hereditary where sons inherit the authority from their fathers the same way they inherit their legacy. Whereas in the ruling system of Islam, there is no concept of hereditary ruling, rather the ruling is held by whomever the Ummah gives her pledge (of allegiance) to, willingly and selectively.

 

The monarchical system allows the monarch special privileges and rights exclusive to him, and places him above the law and makes him personally answerable to no one. He is made the symbol of the nation, where he owns but does not rule like the monarchs of Europe; or he owns and rules, and even becomes the source of the rules, thus running the country and the people as he wishes, like the kings of Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Jordan.

 

The Islamic system however does not assign to the Khaleefah or the Imam any special privileges or rights, so he is treated the same as any citizen of the Ummah. He is not the symbol of the Ummah where he owns and does not rule nor is he a symbol who rules and runs the affairs of the people and country as he pleases. He is a representative of the Ummah in ruling and power, where the Ummah selects him and gives him the pledge of allegiance willingly so as to implement on her the shar’a of Allah .. He is restricted in all his actions, judgements and looking after the affairs of the Ummah and her interests by the divine rules.

 

There is also no crown princeship in the ruling system of Islam. Islam abhors hereditary ruling and forbids that the ruling be taken by legacy. The Khaleefah only assumes the ruling when the Ummah willingly gives him the pledge of allegiance.

[Truth Seeker]

THE SHAPE OF THE ISLAMIC RULING SYSTEM IS NOT REPUBLICAN

 

The shape of the Islamic ruling system is not republican. The republican system is based on democracy, where sovereignty is given to the people. Thus, the people have the right of ruling and legislation, and they reserve the right to appoint the ruler and remove him. They reserve the right to lay down a constitution and enact laws and to abolish, alter or modify both the constitution and the laws.

 

In contrast, the Islamic ruling system is based on the Islamic ‘aqeedah and on the Shari’ah laws. The sovereignty is to the Shar’a of Allah . and not to the Ummah. So the Ummah has no right to legislate nor does the Khaleefah. The sole legislator is Allah ., and the Khaleefah has the right only to adopt rulings for the constitution and cannons that are derived from the Book of Allah . and the Sunnah of His Messenger .. Also the Ummah has no right to remove the Khaleefah; what removes him is the Shar’a. However, the Ummah has the right to appoint him, for Islam gave the authority and power to her, so she has been given the authority and power to select and give the Bay’ah to whomever she wishes.

 

In the Presidential form of the Republican system, the president of the republic holds the mandatory powers of the head of state. He does not have in his cabinet a prime minister, but secretaries of state, as in the United States. In the parliamentary form, the president has a prime minister, and the mandatory ruling powers are in the hands of the ministerial cabinet not the president of the republic, as in Germany.

 

In the Khilafah system there are no ministers, nor a council of ministers working with the Khaleefah, as is the case in the democratic system, where ministers have special portfolios and mandatory powers of their own. Instead the Khaleefah has Mu’awinoon whom he appoints to assist him in assuming the functions of the Khilafah and discharging its duties. They are delegated and executive assistants. The Khaleefah heads them in his capacity as the head of state and not a prime minister, nor as a head of an executive body. The Khaleefah has no council of ministers working with him, since he has all the mandatory powers and the assistants merely help him in executing his mandatory powers. Besides, in both types of the republican system, the presidential and parliamentary, the president is accountable to his people and their representatives. The people and their representatives have the right to remove him since the sovereignty in the republican system belongs to the people.

 

This is contrary to the Imarah of the believers. The Ameer of the believers is responsible before the Ummah and her representatives and is accountable to the Ummah and her representatives. Nonetheless the Ummah and her representatives have no right to remove him. He can only be removed if he violates the Shar’a in a way that his removal becomes obligatory, the Court of Unjust Acts alone is the one that decides this.

 

In the republican system, whether it is presidential or parliamentary, the term of the presidency is fixed and cannot be exceeded. Whereas, the Khilafah system does not determine the Khaleefah’s term of office. This is rather determined by his implementation of Shar’a. So long as the Khaleefah is implementing the rules of Islam, that are derived from the Book of Allah, and the Sunnah of His Messenger, he remains a Khaleefah, regardless of how long his Khilafah term lasts. If the Khaleefah violated the Shar’a, and deviated from implementing the rules of Islam, his term in office would be terminated even if it were one month or one day; and he must in this instance be removed immediately.

 

We conclude, therefore, that there is a great difference between the Khilafah system and the republican system and between the Khaleefah and the president of a republic. It is, therefore, absolutely forbidden to claim that the Islamic system is a republican system, or to use the term ‘Islamic Republic’, for there exists a great contradiction between the foundations upon which the two systems are founded, in addition to the difference between them in there shape and details.

[Truth Seeker]

THE SHAPE OF THE ISLAMIC RULING SYSTEM IS NOT IMPERIAL

 

The Imperial system of government is completely inconsistent with the Islamic one. The regions ruled by Islam - although composed of various races and linked to one central place - are not ruled by an Imperial system but by a system contradictory to the Imperial system. The Imperial system does not treat races equally in the various regions of the empire, rather gives privileges, in the ruling, finance and economy to the centre of the empire.

 

The Islamic way of ruling is to establish equality between the subjects in all the regions of the State. Islam grants non-muslims who hold citizenship, the full rights and duties that Muslims have. They enjoy the same fairness as Muslims and are subject to the same accountability as them. Furthermore, every single citizen, regardless of his or her creed, enjoys rights that even a Muslim living abroad who holds no citizenship does not enjoy. With this equality, the Islamic system differs completely from the Imperial one. It does not make the regions under its rule into colonies, areas of exploitation, nor a source of wealth funneled back into the central region for it’s own benefit, no matter how far apart they were, and no matter how different their races were. It considers every single region as an indivisible part of the State and its citizens enjoy the same rights as those in the central region. It also makes the ruling authority, its system and its legislation the same in all the regions.

[Truth Seeker]

THE RULING SYSTEM IN ISLAM IS NOT A FEDERAL ONE

 

The shape of the ruling system in Islam is not a federal one, where its regions separate by autonomy, but unite in the general ruling. It is rather a system of unity, where Marrakesh in the West is considered to be the same as Khurasan in the East; and the province of Al-Fayoom would be the same as Cairo if it were the Islamic capital. The finance of all the regions will be the same, as will their budget. Funds are spent equally on the affairs of the subjects, regardless of their wilayah. If for instance, the revenues of a single wilayah were double its needs, the funds spent will be in accordance with the needs of the wilayah but not in accordance with its revenues. If another wilayah’s revenues fell short of its needs, this would not be taken into consideration, and funds will be spent to satisfy the wilayah’s needs from the general budget whether it raised enough revenues or not.

 

Therefore the ruling system is unitary and not a federation. That is why the Islamic ruling system is distinguished from other known systems, in its origin and basis, even if some of its aspects were similar to some of the aspects of other ruling systems. Furthermore, the Islamic system is centralised in its ruling, where the high authority is at the centre, and where the authority and power engulfs every single part of the state, no matter how small or large it is. Independence of any part of it is not allowed thus preventing disintegration. The high authority is the body that appoints the army commanders, the Wulah, rulers and finance and economy officials. He appoints judges in all the regions and everyone whose duties is to rule. He is the one who deals with ruling throughout the land.

[Truth Seeker]

THE SYSTEM OF RULING IN ISLAM IS THE KHILAFAH

 

In summary the ruling system in Islam is a Khilafah system. The general ijmaa’ about the unity of the Khilafah and the state has been established, that it is not allowed to give the Bay’ah to more than one Khaleefah. Every imam, faqih (Jurist) and mujtahid (Scholar) has agreed on this. If another Khaleefah is given the pledge, while a Khaleefah is in office or a Khaleefah had already been given a pledge, the second one should be fought until he himself gives the pledge of allegiance to the first Khaleefah or he is killed, for the pledge has been confirmed lawfully to the one who was given Bay’ah first.

 

The Khilafah is the general leadership over all the Muslims, in the whole world, whose responsibility is to implement the laws of Islam, and to convey the Islamic Message to the whole world. Appointing a Khaleefah is obligatory upon all Muslims throughout the world. Executing such a duty, just like executing any other duty which Allah . has decreed on Muslims is compulsory, in which no choice or complacency is allowed. Failure in performing this duty is one of the gravest sins, which is deserving of Allah’s . severe punishishment.

[OG_Girl]

Easy on the copy and paste.

 

This is discussion thread. people exchanging their point of view and you come copy and paste what other's wrote or their own point of view!!

 

Salam