How did the assisination of Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke changed Somalia?

[Che -Guevara]

40 yrs to the day he was killed, what did his death meant for Somalia? Could Somalia been any different if he was alive and if Sharmarke/Egal administration prevailed?

 

wareysi

[Sabriye amp co.]

Discussing the unknown is very difficult and best left alone but as well as loosing a commended leader, it's safe to say His death paved way for brute force in Somali politics.

 

Since his assassination, among the most notable changes would be :

• that there had been no real nation wide election since due to what was to follow...

• The value of ‘What you know’(Aqoon) was replaced with ‘Who you know’(affiliation of many sort) which in turn broke down to ‘what you are’(Qabiil) due to lack of trust.

 

And we still struggling to reverse these horrid alterations amended to our nation and its politics.

[UZTAAD]

it was turning point of somali history if that assassination never happened somalia could have been stable and democratic country like kenya.

that assissination and subsequent coup were the mother of all evils in somalia. it changed the country from demacracy to dectatorship and then failed state.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Some sickos are blaming C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen. Fudeed badanaa dadkaas.

 

We don't know much about that guy who shot Marxuum C/rashiid. Rabi ka sakoow, he indeed single-handedly changed the course of Soomaali history. What we know about him:

• He was junior askari, along with his older brother.
• His family lived in Jubbooyinka before he moved up north.
• He and his brother were orphans.
• Max'ed Abshir took them in and recruited them to the booliis.

Other legends that went: He was upset because C/rashiid demoted Maxamed Abshir, who was leading the police force at the time. He allegedly vowed to revenge for that against C/rashiid. It was apolitical move. He and others in their base up north were also upset when C/rashiid and his wafdi cancelled a pre-planned tour of that part of the country, which was facing a severe drought. C/rashiid and his wafdi instead went abroad. It was this re-scheduled tour when he was assassinated.

[Xaq]

By the time Sharmarke was assassinated, the political situation in Somalia was deteriorating. A coup was inevitable. As funny as it might seem, many people actually welcomed the coup.

[Juje]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

Some sickos are blaming C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen. Fudeed badanaa dadkaas.

 

We don't know much about that guy who shot Marxuum C/rashiid. Rabi ka sakoow, he indeed single-handedly changed the course of Soomaali history. What we know about him:

• He was junior askari, along with his older brother.
• His family lived in Jubbooyinka before he moved up north.

He and his brother were orphans.

Max'ed Abshir took them in and recruited them to the booliis.

Other legends that went: He was upset because C/rashiid demoted Maxamed Abshir, who was leading the police force at the time. He allegedly vowed to revenge for that against C/rashiid. It was apolitical move. He and others in their base up north were also upset when C/rashiid and his wafdi cancelled a pre-planned tour of that part of the country, which was facing a severe drought. C/rashiid and his wafdi instead went abroad. It was this re-scheduled tour when he was assassinated.

As much as it is bewildering as to why interview a prime suspect in a matter concerning the unjustified assasination of the last elected Somali President - it is more amazing to find Miskin throwing around unheard theories.

Sxb an interview with Hiiraan Online will not alter history or the perception held over who did the killing. AbdiRizaaq is a buffon to have accepted this interview and still mention within the interview itself that he was a prime suspect, and mostly during the entire 'interview' he is trying to pin the sole blame on the assassin and no one else- it is like he wants to rewrite history. He should have never re-visited this part of the history. It is sad if not an insult to the history of this great man, marxum C/Rashid Cali Sharmake - Allah u naxaristo amiin!

[Thankful]

Thirdly; it's tragic indeed, at least for those of us from Somaliland, since, out of sheer love for the concept of "Somali brotherhood" that we have then, we did get entagled ourselves in that "waiting inferno"; which, eventually, have blown of in our face, in the form of what late Gen. Afweyne's have done to our cities and folks, indeed.

What I don't understand and if you could please enlighten me. Why is it that Dahir Riyaale the president of your region a known member of "Gen. Afweyne's"(who you claimed did things to your cities and folks) feared NSS became president of your area? If you suffered abuse at the hands of Gen. Afweyne and war crimes, would you not be angry and those that were part of his government, because surely Gen Afweyne could not carry out his missions without the assistance of people on the ground. The President and other members of NW Somalia's government in Hargeysa were on the pay roll and carried out orders for "Gen. Afweyne's" regime who you claim attacked your cities.

 

This is precisely why war crimes have never been brought against any Somali. Because unlike other conflicts, no one in Hargeysa, NE Somalia or the South wants to punish everyone involved. They only want people from other regions to face justice and for there family to be left alone.

 

In Iraq, the new government first banned any former Baath party members from joining, later under pressure they finally gave in and said they would only allow very low level members in to the new government. In the Hargeysa NW Somalia, they not only allow members of dictator "Gen Afweyne" into their government, they make them president.

 

Mentioning Siad Barre is understandable, warcrimes were committed. But to be fair those under him must be looked at as well.

[Thankful]

And, in here let me remind you, that the previous president of France, namely the said Mr. Francois Mitterrand (from 1981 – 1995); was essentially mid-level bureaucratic functionary of the then “Vichy regime” of France under the then “Marshall Philippe Pertain”; which was a “collaborationist government”, in which Herr Hitler’s high command in Paris have established it, in-order for her to faithfully executes the orders from Berlin.

Francois Mitterrand was a man that fought and was captured and imprisoned my "herr hitler". His history and involvement during WW2 is up to much debate, as was many french citizens and France in general was.

 

Regardless he was questioned extensively as is the custom around the world for those accused of war crimes.

 

You Mr. Oodweyne mentioned what "Gen. Afweyne" and in the past Gen. Morgan had done. Which is fair. But your current president Riyaale was a known NSS official in Berbera. He work in a city for a government agency that committed countless war crimes. He was on Siad's side particulary during the civil unrest that was accoring there. Not on the rebels side but the governments.

Has he ever been questioned? Has evidence such as witnesses ever been checked? If Gen. Afwenye committed war crimes, then ALL those especially those working for the NSS should be punished. Do you really think having Riyaale as you president helps with your case?

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Originally posted by Juje:

quote:Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

Some sickos are blaming C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen. Fudeed badanaa dadkaas.

 

We don't know much about that guy who shot Marxuum C/rashiid. Rabi ka sakoow, he indeed single-handedly changed the course of Soomaali history. What we know about him:

• He was junior askari, along with his older brother.
• His family lived in Jubbooyinka before he moved up north.

He and his brother were orphans.

Max'ed Abshir took them in and recruited them to the booliis.

Other legends that went: He was upset because C/rashiid demoted Maxamed Abshir, who was leading the police force at the time. He allegedly vowed to revenge for that against C/rashiid. It was apolitical move. He and others in their base up north were also upset when C/rashiid and his wafdi cancelled a pre-planned tour of that part of the country, which was facing a severe drought. C/rashiid and his wafdi instead went abroad. It was this re-scheduled tour when he was assassinated.

As much as it is bewildering as to why interview a

prime suspect

in a matter concerning the

unjustified

assasination of the last elected Somali President - it is more amazing to find Miskin throwing around unheard theories.

Sxb an interview with Hiiraan Online will not alter history or the perception held over who did the killing. AbdiRizaaq is a buffon to have accepted this interview and still mention within the interview itself that he was a prime suspect, and mostly during the entire 'interview' he is trying to pin the sole blame on the assassin and no one else- it is like he wants to rewrite history. He should have never re-visited this part of the history. It is sad if not an insult to the history of this great man, marxum C/Rashid Cali Sharmake - Allah u naxaristo amiin!

Emotions aside, maxaa daliil ah oo caddeen ah u heysaa in uu C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen ka dambeeye? Hadal suuqeedka meel kaga soo tag. Max'ed Abshir too was suspected, did you know that? Another hadal suuqeed la isla dhex maraaye then with no evidence.

 

P.S. - I didn't listen this interview because my computer's speaker cilad ku jirto, but I am sure he didn't say he killed Marxuum C/rashiid, Eebba ha u naxariistee.

[Juje]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

Emotions aside, maxaa daliil ah oo caddeen ah u heysaa in uu C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen ka dambeeye? Hadal suuqeedka meel kaga soo tag. Max'ed Abshir too was suspected, did you know that? Another hadal suuqeed la isla dhex maraaye then with no evidence.

 

P.S. - I didn't listen this interview because my computer's speaker cilad ku jirto, but I am sure he didn't say he killed Marxuum C/rashiid, Eebba ha u naxariistee.

I remember saying prime suspect hence in aad dalil i warsato mesha kuma jirto. On the other hand if you listen to the interview C/risaaq admits that he was a suspect and throughout the interview he tries to narrow down the sole responsibility , without any external influence or espionage, to the assassin.

Once again Miskin my point is that this unfortunate incident happened some forty years ago and so many people have their own version and conclusion and C/risaaq was and is still implicated to have been part of it. But it has long been swept under the carpet simply because it did not get the proper investigation and inquiry it warranted. Thus why at this time has he ,C/risaaq, chosen to revisit the incident. Obviously he is not trying to clear the air, is he?

Furthermore Miskin C/risaaq who is a veteran and experienced Somali Politician - he on the other hand does not possess a remarkable reverence in view to his role and action during his tenure or during the period he was active in Somali politics.

[Thankful]

Secondly, after the war, he spend a great deal of effort, in “rehabilitatingng his honour” (as it were) through various stages of “political atonement”; hence, the reason he was welcomed back into the fold of the “French political establishment” and his subsequent rise within the Socialist party of France.

This is my whole point!!!! Has Dahir Riyaale gone through any of this. Has he been made to answer questions for his involvement infront of a panel, have witnesses been spoken to? Mr. Mitterrand was made to constantly answer, books have been written about him. You mentioned Gen. Afweyne and what he did to your cities. Now, I ask you Mr. Riyaale worked in the same city for the same government agency that people were tortured and killed. In that city, he was a not a low level person. He was senior to others (in berbera). Those that were buried in mass graves with their hands tied behind their backs in NW Somalia(as was the case all over Somalia), had this done to them by members of the military and the National Security Service (NSS). Whether he was a low level members committing the crimes against his own people or a high level passing down order is irrelevant. He was there!

 

I've met someone in Somalia that said he was captured during the Puntland fighting in the part of this decade. He told me that he was beaten and when I asked do you remember their faces, he said no. He said that when it is happening to you, you don't remember that stuff, you are hungry, disoriented.

 

Do you really believe, that, if, there was a crime of the sort that you are having in mind, in which he has committed it, then, he would of being walking about the place, “unmolested” (in the clannish sense of that word). Much less became, a president of the same people, that he was “torturing” (as you hold) when he was on the “other side” of the fence.

 

Yes, I do believe that. The SNM were cited for alleged war crimes and so was the NSS. I believe that we all know why Riyaale was given the position he was by Egal. To get Borama and other area's inhabited by Riyaale's "clan" on the independance experiment. I also think that, like "Gen Afweyne", Riyaale may have not been physically committing the war crimes. But he remained with the NSS during these crimes and passed orders along. You are trying to minimize his stature in the old regime, but he was working for a agency, in a city that war crimes were committed.

 

The bottom line is this, if you are going to Mention Siad Barre (and what he did to your cities) and what had occurred and use it to support your secessionist aspirations. Has Dahir Riyaale ever been questioned or gone through "political atonement"?

 

I guess you see things your way, and it will never change. But in NW Somalia, i'm pretty sure that is why Riyaale and others in that region aren't pushing towards war crimes charges and calling for human rights investigators to investigate what happened. They know where the fingers will be pointed to. So just like your government in NW Somalia is doing, I suggest you not mention Siad Barre's regime and the war crimes. Because the "regime" had many players helping it.

[Thankful]

Adeer, When you finally learn history of Somaliland's reconciliation conferences; and how many iteration of “collective political atonement” it went through; as well as how tall the “examining hoops” in which the likes of Mr. Rayale had to jump through were, in-order for his likes to be acceptable (both morally, and legally) for the vast numbers of people who view him

Ok, then please show me video footaged of these ALLEGED conferences. Where your current leader Dahir Riyaale sat infront of some sort of political/judicial or any sort of commission and answered questioned. Show me something TANGIBLE concerning the hoops Riyaale went through. Must war crime conferences were taped or documented.

 

I have been unsuccessful in finding any investigation that looked at Dahir Riyaale pass employment with the NSS and the known war crimes that were committed in the city of Bebera while he was stationed there.

 

The fact that someone who worked for the NSS in any capacity was "selected" vice-president years later show's that both sides committed regrettable crimes and are willing to move own.

 

So please don't mention Siad Barre's Regime (which without a doubt committed severe human rights abuses), when you have the likes of Riyaale as president. There's a reason why he refuses to hold elections, even though he was elected in. He learned oppression from his days with the NSS.

[Thankful]

Hence, it's best to leave there.

I agree! But just for future reference, I will not sit quietly while lies and half truths are written. :cool:

[NASSIR]

Without a doubt, The new Somali regime's embrace of Scientific Socialism even though this system was incompatible with our Muslim way of live, after the assassination of Sharmarke, was the turning point. However, in its 7 years of rule, the military regime implemented exceptional projects by building up new roads, airports, schools and hospitals. Public education was made free and a large scale commercial production of the country's resources were encouraged with government subsidy. Average life standards greatly improved and Somalia had become one of the most powerful military regime in Africa.