Controversial preacher with 'star status'

[Blessed]

^^^They did it with Cherie Blair! Do you think they'll spare a respected scholar? I'm glad Tony Blair stuck to his guns with this one. However, as I think of it some more, Mr Blair is only doing it to avoid any negative press being directed at him. Smart move :mad:

 

As for Jewish lobbyists. Muslims are and have always been their dearest hobby. Recently, they tried to shut down Islamic societies of several London Universities. I suppose since universities are on a break, they have a great deal of time expand their witch hunt agenda… put a foot wrong and they are ready to tell Miss (Governments) on you.

 

 

Anyways.

What conference is he here to attend? I think this provides good publicity for the Sheikh, the MBA, the organisers of the conference and Muslims in general.....

 

p.s

I don’t agree with the Sheikhs Fatwa….we’ve discussed this before, many times.. .

[Thinkerman]

Thanks for the Contributions Nomads

 

Sahal and Salafi i wouldnt want to patronise either of you as my Knowledge, or rather passion in reading further into the deen doesnt extend to both your levels.

 

What i would say is just answer each other and respond to each other's question sincerely and any point of disagreement should be left at that, or continued perhaps on a different meduim between urselfs? just a suggestion.

 

My 2 cents on this was already stated in my intial post. But it is also evident that the efforts of the media and the jewish community could well be consolidated by continued divisions amongst "eminant muslims" around the world community.

 

Ayoub thx for the qoute and article

[Salafi_Online]

Innalhmadulillah..

 

Ayub....I do not believe the Man is an innovator....I cant make that call....the post was a responses To QacQac about judging people....

 

Shaykh Albani...is among the Few Shaykh who went to Jihad in Palistine...I heard this with my own ears...As i had the fortune to sit with the people of 'Ilm.

 

Chapter: The Fatwaa of the Muhaddith, Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee (rahimahullaah)

 

Question: It has is reported from your eminence that you do not sanction suicide missions. We therefore seek from you a clarification of the issue.

 

Answer:

 

It is uniformly known amongst the Scholars that it is not permissible for a Muslim to commit suicide to relieve himself of a calamity "financial, painful illness that is terminal or any other thing that has befallen him. Suicide to relieve oneself from these types of hardships is without a doubt Haraam. There are Hadeeth reported in Saheeh Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim that imply that a person taking his own life by consuming poison or piercing himself or any other means (that result in his death) shall result in him being punished with that same mode of death until the Day of Resurrection. Some of the scholars have understood that the person who commits suicide dies as a Kaafir or an unbeliever since the one who commits such an act has malice and distain for His Lord because of the calamities he has faced without patience. Without a doubt, a (true) Muslim could never reach the level whereby he contemplates such a heinous act, let alone carry out the act of taking his own life. In most cases the individual who takes his own life is not a Mu'min "true believer. Yet it is conceivable that a Muslim may be affected by a contagious evil ideology that may lead him to commit suicide. It is conceivable that such an act could take place. Due to this we say with full conviction and certainty that he (the one who commits suicide) is not a true believer. This is similar to the one who abandons prayer out of Juhood (stubborn rejection) of its legislation and passes away a Muslim named Ahmad bin Muhammad. But if it was known that he denied/disavowed prayer then he is not to be buried within the Muslim burial ground. The same (conditions and verdict) is for the one who commits suicide and it becomes known that his suicide was due to malice and distain for His Lord because of the calamities he faced. We now turn our attention to suicide missions. These suicide missions became infamously known (around the world) because of the Japanese practice of Kamikaze. A man would hurl his warplane towards an American naval vessel, effectively destroying himself along with the plane and as many enemy soldiers as he could muster. All suicide missions in our current time are unsanctioned deeds that are all to be considered Haraam (prohibited). The suicide missions may be of the type that renders its practitioner eternally in the Fire or it could be the type that renders its practitioner to be from those who shall not reside eternally in the Fire as I have just explained. But to view these suicide missions as a being a means to draw near to Allaah (praiseworthy act of worship) by killing oneself today for his land or his country then we say No (it is not an act that is praiseworthy). These suicide missions are not Islamic – period! In fact I say today that which represents the Islamic reality – not the reality that is sought by a few of the (improperly) overly active Muslims – that there is no Jihaad in the Islamic lands at all. Surely there is combat in numerous Muslim countries, but there is no Jihaad that is established under a (solely) Islamic banner, and that is established upon Islamic regulations. From these (missing) regulations are that a soldier is not permitted to act as he (individually and singularly) wishes. He is not permitted to decide for himself what it is that he is to do. Rather he is to be bound to an order from a commander. In turn this commander is not an individual who claims the position (of leadership) for himself and makes himself commander. Rather the commander is delegated the authority from the Khaleefah of the Muslims. So where is the Khaleefah for the Muslims today? Where is the Khaleefah, or for that matter a ruler who raises (solely) the banner of Islaam and calls Muslims to draw near him and perform Jihaad in the way of Allaah (alone)? As long as (we affirm) that Jihaad, according to Islamic (regulations), must fulfill the prerequisite of it being (solely) under the banner of Islaam and (we find that) this banner does not have a commander (during the current era), then we (state) that an Islamic suicide is not permitted (as it is performed today). I am well aware of the fact that suicide was known in the past generations of those who fought with spears, swords and arrows. Some of the forms of that warfare resembled suicide (dueling to the death). Examples of this was when an individual would surge forward and face a large contingent of unbelievers and polytheists – striking them from the right and the left – and (all the while knowing) that few would escape this predicament safely. Therefore is that action permitted? We answer that at times it would be permitted and other times it would not be permitted. If the commander of the army is the Messenger of Allaah and he gave permission to that individual, then it is permitted for him. But for that individual to decide for himself then it is not permitted because it is considered a perilous, hazardous action (at the least) if we do not say that it is a gamble (as well). (Therefore) such an act is not permitted without the explicit order of the Muslim ruler or the Khaleefah of the Muslims. Why? What should be done is that the ruler or the Khaleefah should assess the situation with great care. He is the one who has the knowledge of when it is most appropriate to attack the enemy – 100 Muslims facing 1000 (or more or less of) the enemy. He is the one to order the advance, knowing that from them there may be tens who shall die, and knowing that the eventual victory is for the Muslims. Therefore when the commander of the army of Muslims – delegated that duty by the Muslim Khaleefah – orders a single soldier to employ a particular action from the contemporary means of suicide (missions during the battle) then this is to be considered Jihaad in the way of Allaah. But for a young man, blind (to the realities and intricacies of war) to decide on his own, - as we often hear – to climb the face of a mountain and enter into a fortified location used by the Jews and kill some of them and be killed in the process…what is the benefit of such a deed? These are solely individualized acts that do not have a positive consequential result that is benefiting to the Islamic Call. Therefore we say to the Muslim Youth, “Protect your lives, on the condition that you (use it) in learning your Deen and your Islaam. Become acquainted with it properly and act according to it to the best of your abilities.â€‌ This course of action and deed, slow and tedious as it may seem, is the deed that shall bear the desired fruit that is sought after by all Muslims, regardless of their varying ideologies and methodologies. All are in agreement that Islaam should be what (we use) to govern, but they dispute in the path (to that objective). Surely the best guidance is that of Muhammad.

[sahal]

Therefore when the commander of the army of Muslims – delegated that duty by the Muslim Khaleefah – orders a single soldier to employ a particular action from the contemporary means of suicide (missions during the battle) then this is to be considered Jihaad in the way of Allaah.

Thge Sheikhs view and anyone who agree with him is clear; we have to wait until we get one Khaleefah and one Islamic state, before that we shouldn't do anything other than the D'AWA. but the critics say even D'AWA is a one of the Khalifah's duties,

 

so why we're doing some Khalifah duties and some not?

 

Second what about Fahad? in the light of many of your groups top men have Bay'a with him, so on what basis have they Bay'a with him?

 

On a Muslim Khalifah base or as a King or ..?

 

Please answer my questions as many Bro/Sis suggested (Last one was Shuju)and ask me any question.

they will judge us who answered the other one's questions and and who failed to answer.

 

Brothers and Sisters please tel me If i'm wrong.