IT has started Ladies and Gents, It has started. The Talibans in da House!!

[STOIC]

I can only guess-and hope that these sheikhs will bring peace and stability to Somalia.The gratifying news of them capturing Mogadishu is an amazing one and also one that will hopefully end our vulnerability to divisiveness.There is more than superficial bond evidenced in their willingness to bring peace and stability to Somalia.There atitude toward human right will not be unresisted.People will question and perhaps second guess their old purity.I am not surprised to see already people disenting their tactics.It is still too early to predict, but I will hope that for now the greater Somalia will support them.Thoreau in one of his more prophetic moments, he exclaimed " There are thousands hacking at the branch of evil to one who is striking at the roots". I am not suprised to see people already raising their objection without looking at what these guys have achieved positively.I hope we will stop hacking at the branches for now and start helping those who are hacking at the roots

[Alisomali]

Look all im saying is that Im not against Islamic law, all im saying is lets be sensible.

Like having a 15yr old boy stab a man to death in public will accomplish anything? I find that kind of act as pornographic.

Yet I remember wadaads chewing on Khat all day. Last time i checked drugs were haram, so should the courts go out there and arrest folks and chop ppl up for there participation in the illicit khat industry? I have a feeling that will not happen.

Furthermore, did you guys that support the courts' recent action support the Saudi government beheading Somali men for alleged highway robbery. B/c i could really remember a universal outrage fromthe SOL community.

[KEYNAN22]

Viking

KEYNAAN,

Correct me if I'm mistaken but weren't you a non-Muslim? Aren't you against all form of theocracy, Shari'a and Islam in general?

I correct you, I don't think you know me and I certainly don't know you, so how you came to this suspicion/conclusion kinda puzzles me.

[Viking]

Originally posted by KEYNAN22:

I correct you, I don't think you know me and I certainly don't know you, so how you came to this suspicion/conclusion kinda puzzles me.

Someone with the same exact username, from Sweden, used to display a vocal anti-Islamic stance at SomaliNet. If it is you then I think it is only fair that you come clean so people know your real position. If that person wasn't you and you are a Muslim who is concerned then I apologise. Which is it?

[Viking]

DP

[Rahima]

As fo rape, isn't the punishment 100 lashes if the rapist is unmarried? Was the rapist a married man?

Viking, there is a difference between just plain zina and rape (married or not married).

 

Read the following for clarification:

 

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=72338&dgn=4

 

And I suppose you could research it more yourself.

 

Rachel,

 

This is the ruling for a rapist who admits his crime. The Islamic stance on that is very clear. There is no need for other issues as with regards to my post for I was reffering to rapists who admit to their crime. I did not invent Islam, don't argue with me about it.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Rahima:

quote:

As fo rape, isn't the punishment 100 lashes if the rapist is unmarried? Was the rapist a married man?

Viking, there is a difference between just plain zina and rape (married or not married).

 

Read the following for clarification:

 

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=72338&dgn=4

 

And I suppose you could research it more yourself.

Rahima,

I read the link and it said pretty much what I said...

 

 

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

[KEYNAN22]

Originally posted by Viking:

quote:Originally posted by KEYNAN22:

I correct you, I don't think you know me and I certainly don't know you, so how you came to this suspicion/conclusion kinda puzzles me.

Someone with the same exact username, from Sweden, used to display a vocal anti-Islamic stance at SomaliNet. If it is you then I think it is only fair that you come clean so people know your real position. If that person wasn't you and you are a Muslim who is concerned then I apologise. Which is it?

Well i dont belieave in sharia law and i dont think religion and politics should be mixed, such mentality should be left were it belongs and that is the 7th century.

 

And btw stop making up lies, i never showed any anti-islamic stance, i only shared my view on how somalis have always been moderate muslims and never been hard-liner muslims, this new trend you see these days with women wearing burka is not the somali way, but import from saudi arabia and its wahabism, which i frankly despise and find it being quite backwards. Thats my opinion i see nothing "anti-islamic" about it.

[Rahima]

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

I posted that link Viking to highlight that there are differing views, reading on that becomes evident, as many scholars make no distinction on the punishment for the rapists, be he married or not.

 

 

Well i dont belieave in sharia law and i dont think religion and politics should be mixed, such mentality should be left were it belongs and that is the 7th century.

And btw stop making up lies, i never showed any anti-islamic stance,

You have now!

[Nephissa]

Originally posted by HornAfrique:

quote:Originally posted by Rachel:

Markaa sunnah iyo lawga aad sheegaysaa waa in caruurta masaakiinta een is difaaci kareyn gacmaha laga jaro imasaa soomaaliya niman dad dill ah ka buuxa maa lasoo qabtoo oo gacmaha laga jaro, all the warlods who killed so many young people including women and children. iyaga gacmaha iyo lugaha laga jarimaayo, waayo, ama waxey ka dhasheen qabiil xoogleh or way is difaaci karaan.. maxaa shariica law lagu dhaqmaa wadan bilaa dawlad ah oo dadku wada gaajoonayaan. Waa wax habaaran oo awalba criminal ahaa waxan caruurta googaynayaa..

Walaalay sow islama yaabti? Caqligaadu intaa'e ayuu gaaraa? Waxaa lagu yidhi ragu dambigoodi wey qirteen gabdhahi ay faraxumeeyeene si kama dambayn ah ayey farta ku fiiqayn. Maadama maxkamadooyin Islaami ah ay dhulalkaa ka taliyaan, sow kuma qasbana shareecadu inay hirgeliyaan? Haday hirgeliyeene sow kuma qasbana inay kuwa ugu dhaw dambiyadooda wax ka qabtaan intay meela kale eegin?

 

Runtii anigu qof aan sida aqalkan loo furay la yaabay waa adigu. Kuwaa gaalo baynu nahay ku dhawaqeen, warku iyagu ha ugu ekaado. Adiguse isku xishood walaal fikradaad dhiibtay waala dhaamaa.

Waxaa la yiri Dooliga inteey mukulaasha maqantahay buu meelaha iska cayaaraa. Waryaa HornAfrique, wallee waxaadan ogaayn qofka Rachel gadaasheeda taagan! Alloow yaa ku dhaho Rachel faraha ka qaad intee goori goor tahay.

[Viking]

Rahima,

When you said; Viking, there is a difference between just plain zina and rape (married or not married). Apart from the obvious that one is consented and another is by force, this led me to assume you meant that the punishment is different (100 lashes is not a correct punishment for an unmarried rapist). The link says that 100 lashes is one of the punishments available for a judge. I think I know what you meean now. The Somali court must be following the Shafi'i line which calls for hadd.

 

 

KENYAN22,

Originally posted by KEYNAN22:

Well i dont belieave in sharia law and i dont think religion and politics should be mixed, such mentality should be left were it belongs and that is the 7th century.

You can not be a Muslim and be against Shari'a. A secular Muslim is an oxymoron but some don't seem to know that.

 

Are you Muslim? Do you believe in the Qur'an and Sunnah? It would be great if you made it clear, and if you do believe in them, please tell us how you can accept the Qur'an as authentic words of Allah SWT and at the same time reject His Laws.

 

 

Originally posted by KEYNAN22:

And btw stop making up lies, i never showed any anti-islamic stance, i only shared my view on how somalis have always been moderate muslims and never been hard-liner muslims, this new trend you see these days with women wearing burka is not the somali way, but import from saudi arabia and its wahabism, which i frankly despise and find it being quite backwards. Thats my opinion i see nothing "anti-islamic" about it.

As you've made it apparent, I wasn't lying. Anyone who rejects Shari'a is anti-Islam. A Muslim cannot accept Qur'an and Sunnah and reject the Laws found therein opting for man-made laws. If you understood Islam you would see the irony in all this.

[Rahima]

I think I know what you meean now.

You do