General Duke Posted December 6, 2006 ^^^First thing is equality, these clans are within the TFG system more than equal to any of the major clans in Somalia. They are not so in the Clan Courts formula. Baidoa is the temporary capital of Somalia. They are members of the TFG armed forces. They will have their fair share of Ambasadors, and officers within the system. It was not cash old man, they were founders of the system and had a heavy delegation in the talks that created the TFG government. Thus you would want them to throw everything away and support those who occupy their lands in the lower Shabbele? I dont think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted December 6, 2006 Duke....Time will tell who's gonna outlast who, but one thing is certain, Somalia's problems can't be addressed and resolved by the gang in Baydhabo. If they could,I am pretty sure they would have gone there a long time ago,but that is not possible is it? The very warlords that the TFG harbors today are ones that made impossible for the TFG to move the capital. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 6, 2006 ^^Che, I agree with you that Baidoa is not a panacea, a total solution. Somali governance has a long way to go. It is however moving in the right direction. The warlords, I detest as much as you, however we needed them to be contained in Baidoa, and not to open a third front some where else. They are broken and toothless, unlike some within the courts who have been prime movers in the blood letting in the streets of Mogadishu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted December 6, 2006 ^^^Unless aided by Ethiopia ( as the case with Qeybdiid), the warlords from Xamar are really in no position to pose any threat to anybody. They are a "spent capital". I understand welcoming someone like Hiiraale. Atleast he could be of use to the TFG, but inviting the likes of Qanyare defies logic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 6, 2006 ^^^Indeed, you made some relevent point. However the main aim for the warlords was the US contacts that they had and which played a key role in spliting the TFG and turning the super power against it for so long. Hence the recent changes in the diplomatic arena. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 6, 2006 No more talks with Islamists: Somalia govt 5 Dec 5, 2006, 18:46 BAIDOA, Somalia Dec 5 (Garowe Online) - The information minister for Somalia’s interim government has stated that his government will no longer negotiate with the Islamic Courts who control much of central and southern Somalia. Ali Jama Jangeli, the Somali information minister, was openly critical of the Islamists while speaking Tuesday in Baidoa, the government’s temporary capital. “We will not talk to the Islamic Courts,” Min. Jangeli said. He blamed the Islamists for “land expansion” and for violating tenets from two rounds of the Khartoum peace process. Min. Jangeli said that Islamist militia “invaded” areas formerly controlled by the Somali government within Bay region. On Saturday, Islamist fighters and battlewagons entered Diinsoor, a Bay regional district southwest of Baidoa. The third round of the Khartoum talks collapsed in late October after both the government and Islamist delegations came with pre-conditions to talks. Premier Gedi Professor Ali Muhammad Gedi, the Somali prime minister, has also been publicly critical of the Islamists during his ongoing foreign visit. In meetings with the leaders of Nigeria and Ethiopia, Olesugan Obasanjo and Meles Zenawi, respectively, Premier Gedi has stressed the need for the international community to jointly address “extremists” in Somalia. Furthermore, Premier Gedi pushed his government’s foreign peacekeepers agenda to the African leaders. Ethiopian Premier Zenawi has already admitted to sending his troops to back Gedi’s Baidoa-based interim government. The Islamists, who vowed to fight against all foreign peacekeepers, were in talks with IGAD officials in Djibouti earlier this week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somali_Friend Posted December 6, 2006 who vowed to fight against all foreign peacekeepers Alongside all foreign trouble makers. Its beleived that Djibuti told the UN security council to go ahead. The ICU is just a bunch of warlords under an Islamic garb that is not welcomed by moslems in east Africa. The ICU also has no vision for somalia except more war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedSea Posted December 7, 2006 Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^First thing is equality, these clans are within the TFG system more than equal to any of the major clans in Somalia. They are not so in the Clan Courts formula. Baidoa is the temporary capital of Somalia. They are members of the TFG armed forces. They will have their fair share of Ambasadors, and officers within the system. nds in the lower Shabbele? I dont think so. equality,like the 4.5 formula,very nice,now you see how you are contradicting? If they are equal to any 'major' clan in Somalia,then surely there wouldn't be such thing as .5... Besides,I am all for the idea of Egypt to call for elections,we would see who gets who's vote,if Abduallahi Yusuf wins that election,then most certainly we can all shut up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wisdom_Seeker Posted December 7, 2006 No kidding, and the elections must take place in the country called SOMALIA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
