i think the sheikh has lost his bottle

[Somali Pirate]

Yet again, another bunch of Massacred somalis today in mogadishu at the hands of ugandan 'peacekeeping' trash and yet not a single word from the sheikh regarding this horrific crime.

 

This news is in every news medium and yet our new president can't muster even a single word.

 

I hope to god he does not become another abdullahi yusuf

[Somali Pirate]

well what ya know.

 

 

i was right after all

[Liqaye]

You must have the power of prophecy like cassandra.

[Belial]

He lost it when he left his crew.

[Kashafa]

^^ Exactamundo. He lost it(both the battle, and his bottle) the minute he decided to desert his sick, ailing, thirsty comrades and make a run for it to the welcoming arms of American Ambassador and CIA in Nairobi.

 

That's when he lost it. All of this is simply inevitable consequence unfolding itself. Fulay weligees ma liibaano.

[Sherban Shabeel]

He didn't desert anyone. He tried to do what's best for his country, but you were all too short-sighted to see it. You thought the man could sprinkle a little fairy dust and Somalia would instantly become paradise on Earth. Well it doesn't work that way, it takes a lot of hard work and diplomacy to run a country. It's all gone to the dogs now, anyway - this was a great chance for peace and rebuilding, but you squandered it. I hope you're happy.

 

May I remind you that Shariif NEVER said a bad word about Shabaab before they started besieging him? He wanted Shabaab to be a part of this, he wanted everyone to be a part of this. But it only takes a few ****** who think talking to outsiders means sleeping with the enemy, and who declare their brother's blood to be xalaal and everything goes up in smoke.

 

You're so hot-blooded. You're like those kids wasting each other in the streets. You're like those commanders sending young boys to their death. You haven't learned that bloody revolutions don't work. Don't you know that wars begin when you like, but do not end when you please? You think it's as easy as killing a few people, taking power and then we're back to peace? History has proved you wrong a million times.

 

There was no reason for this tragedy and all the other ones that will inevitably follow it.

[Kashafa]

^^ You make alot of strong, accurate points, but you ruin the rest of your compelling post when you try to attribute 'good intentions' to Mr. Ahmed blatant corruption.

 

If Sharif is so 'misunderstood', if he is so 'nice, polite, and accomodating', answer this question for me: The first trip he made after being coronated President was to visit Addis Abba(whose troops were still occupying Somalia then). Is there a bigger slap in the face of the men he once comanded to watch their former leader as he grins, shucks, and jives like a well-trained house nigger to Meles Zenawi ? Could he not have met with them and explain his actions ? Could he not first have travelled to Kismaayo, a city completely in the hands of the men he once lead ?

 

No. He knew all that. But decided that he could gain more by flying to Ethiopia and mugging the cameras with the men who have rivers of Somali blood on their hands. In the false name of 'diplomacy. In the fradulent facade of 'statesmanship'.

 

Do the Somali people look like fools to you ? Do you think they can just be hoodwinked into accepting a handpicked puppet of the West and give him the reins of power ? After they fought Cabdullahi Amxaar and Doqon Gheedi to the death ?

 

Like I said, you make some very good points. But you ruin it with your short-sighted sentimentality.

[Sherban Shabeel]

Why would he travel to Kismaayo? The homeboys were supposed to be on his side. Why go suck up to your brother, when you're bound by blood?

 

He had to go talk to the enemy in Addis to make sure that Ethiopian troops leave Somalia the **** alone and stop infiltrating across the border. Result? No Ethiopians in Somalia anymore.

 

He went to Turkey to ally himself with an emerging power. And he was very wise to do so. Turkey is the number one mediator in the Middle East, right after Egypt. But Egypt isn't taken so seriously because of the peace deal with Israel. Turkey, on the other hand is hated by no one and respected by all (except maybe the kurds). Turkey can send old jets, tanks, can train the Somali Army, the future Air Force. It will also be a gateway to the EU in the near future, and so on. All in all, a good move.

 

He didn't want to expel AMISOM troops because the international community would interpret this as a hostile gesture, and this could mean loads of trouble. Remember, Shariif isn't only accountable to his people, he is accountable to the world. If he comes across as too "extremist" who knows what might happen? Yesterday, it was Ethiopia, tomorrow it may be the US.

 

Politics is a complicated and dirty game, and it doesn't work without a little ***-kissing between countries.

 

I think you misinterpreted Shariif's efforts to defuse tensions on all sides, and saw them as sucking up to the West and corruption. You are of course welcome to interpret things as you wish, but I personally believe you're wrong.

[Somali Pirate]

sheikh sharif has made the fatal mistake in relying upon amisom thugs instead of his own people for security.

 

he bottled it and has become nothing more than weak puppet government.

 

 

the funny thing was in his first month there was such optimisim but instead of going to visit somali cities and trying to gain the support of everyone, he runs off to eithopia first thing.

 

what a shame

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

He didn't desert anyone. He tried to do what's best for his country, but you were all too short-sighted to see it. You thought the man could sprinkle a little fairy dust and Somalia would instantly become paradise on Earth. Well it doesn't work that way, it takes a lot of hard work and diplomacy to run a country. It's all gone to the dogs now, anyway - this was a great chance for peace and rebuilding, but you squandered it. I hope you're happy.

 

May I remind you that Shariif NEVER said a bad word about Shabaab before they started besieging him? He wanted Shabaab to be a part of this, he wanted everyone to be a part of this. But it only takes a few ****** who think talking to outsiders means sleeping with the enemy, and who declare their brother's blood to be xalaal and everything goes up in smoke.

 

You're so hot-blooded. You're like those kids wasting each other in the streets. You're like those commanders sending young boys to their death. You haven't learned that bloody revolutions don't work. Don't you know that wars begin when you like, but do not end when you please? You think it's as easy as killing a few people, taking power and then we're back to peace? History has proved you wrong a million times.

 

There was no reason for this tragedy and all the other ones that will inevitably follow it.

Very well said indeed

[Mintid Farayar]

So the situation is where it is right now. Any predictions or solutions? Especially coming from the Sharif supporters - do you think he can pull it off and mount an effective come-back? Remember perception and support among Somalis is more paramount than any international support.

[Duufaan]

Sharif was welcomed most of Somalis but did anything to capture momentum. For this difficult time as a Somali president you must be appear nationalistic. He defended the Kenyan deal and did anything when one of his minister publicly announced that he met the secessionist and discussed recognizing each other.

The security minister called Alshabaab members from other region "foreigners".

 

All his government effort was to rely support for moqdisho tribes which failed three days. In their side moqdisho factions as usual, saying something and doing different thing. Indhacade could be clear example, his tribe was given four ministers for shariif government and that was not enough.

[Soomaliyah Toosoo.]

Who knows. He doesn't look like nin faidaa leh anyway. These Somali leaders are cowards walahi.

[Faarax-Brawn]

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

Why would he travel to Kismaayo? The homeboys were supposed to be on his side. Why go suck up to your brother, when you're bound by blood?

 

He had to go talk to the enemy in Addis to make sure that Ethiopian troops leave Somalia the **** alone and stop infiltrating across the border. Result? No Ethiopians in Somalia anymore.

 

He went to Turkey to ally himself with an emerging power. And he was very wise to do so. Turkey is the number one mediator in the Middle East, right after Egypt. But Egypt isn't taken so seriously because of the peace deal with Israel. Turkey, on the other hand is hated by no one and respected by all (except maybe the kurds). Turkey can send old jets, tanks, can train the Somali Army, the future Air Force. It will also be a gateway to the EU in the near future, and so on. All in all, a good move.

 

He didn't want to expel AMISOM troops because the international community would interpret this as a hostile gesture, and this could mean loads of trouble. Remember, Shariif isn't only accountable to his people, he is accountable to the world. If he comes across as too "extremist" who knows what might happen? Yesterday, it was Ethiopia, tomorrow it may be the US.

 

Politics is a complicated and dirty game, and it doesn't work without a little ***-kissing between countries.

 

I think you misinterpreted Shariif's efforts to defuse tensions on all sides, and saw them as sucking up to the West and corruption. You are of course welcome to interpret things as you wish, but I personally believe you're wrong.

This is a good summary.

[General Duke]

^^^lool. are we clutching to straws now?

The fact is Sharif Ahmed has proven to be a bad leader, visionless and unorganised. The worst thing was selling the sea to Kenya that will forver be his legacy.

 

On the other hand he is much better than the clowns fighting him, Xasan Dahir & his clan and the foreign Jihadi's who are wanted back in their villages.

 

Sharif was a amde up myth to get the weakminded excited, I know many are wondering how it went to badly. But lads have some backbone and wish for the best, they are all praying very hard on both sides, so lets see where it ends..