Bashir Goth is angry????

[General Duke]

^^^Togane, Bashir Goth the Duke. It seems we are all from various different clans, even political positions, but this has united us.

It was disgusting what they did to the dead corpses. Dot you thik NGOON?

[NGONGE]

Of course I do. But I also know it's not a clan thing, saaxib. Even the people of your village would have done the same in the same position. It's mob rule and that is what happens in 'riots'. Remember the LA riots and how people behaved there? in AMERICA no less. To turn it into a clan problem is sick. Rise above the nonsense, saaxib. Your cause is already in a position of strength, why stoop so low?

[General Duke]

^^^No saxib, it is done in a clans name, some sort of elders justify it in clan name, some justify it even using the sacred faith.

 

Of course I know the clan has not done this, thats absurd and the generalisation is wrong..

 

Thus the pressure is on that group who has claimed it on the name of my own kin..

[roobleh]

You're forever trying to find ways to prove a pointless point; like a dog chasing its own tale really. When it finally gets to bite it nobody else would feel the pain but itself!

Will you tell us why the above doesn't apply to you?

I have seen you responding to different threads and I am suspecting that you enjoy to defend opinions that are not the norm. I saw the one you tried to argue that homosexuality is "natural." But what for? Just to show people that you can win any debate no matter what.

 

Why don't you debate on the subject matter and give us your opinion whether burning corpses is justified. And please do not equate this with the rioting in Los Angles. There were no burning corpses in LA. And the issue that we need to discuss is the issue of burning the dead, subhanalah.

 

Please do not discredit an article cuz the author belongs to such clan or supports such state.

 

Personal note: I disagree with Bashir Goth for his generalization on such clan being the sole clan that is capable to do this. But the reality is such clan had done it again and its clan leaders need to condemn such practices.

[miles-militis]

This was by far the first of Bashir Goth’s caricatures I troubled myself to reading, and by god as projected it is rotten to the core. Whilst I care not much of the subliminal message, troubled I am by his sheer ignorance in painting a whole community with a single splash as if the said community is carved off of the same streak. To holistically apply blanket blame to the community in question for the deeds of the few, or perhaps some is mostly reprehensible, if not solely conjured up to please thou venomous ego, and by extension further own futile cause.

 

Inasmuch as one might be tempted to implicate the community in question rushing in its holistic culpability, one would find oneself failing to justify such impertinent, dipsy stance. His is the same logic that implicates the whole Southern Somalia of the butchery in the Northwest regions albeit some of his dearest ones, including the top dog presently snarling in villa Hargeisa were a part to. Just to appreciate the absurdity of his outburst and the farce in his logic, or there lack of, think for a moment if you will, if one were to by association incriminate the entire Muslim world as far places as Babine to Chongqing to Reykjavík in the moronic acts of Bin Laden et al, thusly commanding their dealing at once with a single hand - not even hardcore Neocons in the beltway or Evangelicals in the bible-pushing red terrains could be as obtuse as to pursue such rationale. Then again, we are talking about a gaudy “gora” with a lifestyle that shames Freddie Mercury’s by multiple scores.

 

To the credulous neophytes in the congregation, I say the mutineers in Mogadishu are of small minority in the larger community in Mogadishu and its environs, of Ceelbuur district to be more precise, thusly matters ought to be viewed in that context and not mistaken in dealing a sweeping hand in their regard as the darling Mr Goth unfortunately had, for doing so would contempt the complexity of the Somali conflict in that not only would one be buying into the mutineer’s hallow roar and guilt-ridden cries of injustices when indeed they are the guilty part in the bustup skinning their last hides for false prophesy, but also a derision and mockery to the intellect of the au fait amongst us.

 

Ever wonder why would the bona fide natives of Mogadishu be accepting to the change of order in the capital whilst the most recent settlers from the central regions occupying government premises and native properties wish to die rather than to return home handing over what was never theirs to begin with?

 

I’ll let the ever so nix Qabiil-ubaahane and sidekicks Xoogsade et al speak to the subject, shall I?

 

Tata…

[Che -Guevara]

Duke.....I would be careful in associating the tragic incident involving the desecration of the dead bodies with one group of Somalis. We all condemn, and lets leave it there. Continuous demonization of entire community for the actions done by few seems like marmarsiyo lagu baabinayo dadkaas.

[xiinfaniin]

I agree with NG and SW.

 

Opportunist waaxid! Qadiyadbaa loo doodaa buu maqlay!

[Fiqikhayre]

That man is a wicked and vile man himself. Wallahi I can see through this, it is mere opportunism as this moron could not care less what happened to this soldiers. He only wants to make some cheap and laughable political point in order to aid his fellow clan cousin, who runs the administration in Hargeisa. Shame on him.

 

This was not an act committed by a clan nor can they be blamed for it. I have great respect and admiration for that clan but these acts of utter criminality were committed by some invaders and certain vile element from within the communities of Guriceel and Cadaado.

 

These are only criminal elements from those places I mentioned and can not be extended to all of the people who reside in or hail from Guriceel or Cadaado.

 

These are scrap-merchants who hold this country hostage for more than 16 years. It is because of them, that no regional administration was established in Mogadishu. It is them who ate up and destroyed every attempt to form a viable government in Somalia (I'm talking about elements who enriched themselves from the loot and hence occupied houses and farms they didn't own as their originally entered Mogadishu barefoot. They came from the semi-deserts of Galgadud and Mudug and they could not care what happens to Mogadishu but they only care for that loot. How can you now force them to return to the desert, when, the person who came yesterday barefoot to Mogadishu, now drives a Nissan Landcruiser and their children going to school? Don't you have a heart? These people enriched themselves on properties and other looted goods and now they have become rich on it and to ask them to return to the old place, where no schools, medical and health facilities exist, isn't it just logical that they fight for their survival + add to this psychological and historical factors and the unwillingness of those folks to become a 'second class citizen again'. There's a deep complex emerging here. I could go more into this but I believe that would be not a very healthy thing to do.) Now this folks are lying and making up stories that this is some kind of Qabiil thing which it is not.

 

The whole of Mogadishu is pacified and peaceful its only those 'invaders' from the central regions of Somalia, that do not want to have any peace because with peace comes a viable government and with a government comes justice and justice would mean giving up and returning the looted properties and with giving up and returning the looted properties it would mean having no place, having no place would mean having to go back to the desert, going back to he desert means giving up all the luxuries one has experienced, no more usage of cell phones and satellite television.

 

This is one aspect of the deep rooted problems in Somalia and I would like to examine it further by using historical and scientific research and looking at the psychic of the nomads in here.

 

I already took some impressions and every post I read I usually can connect the dots and link it with some kind of psychological event some people unconsciously paint. My hypothesis is nearly finished and I shall present it in due time inshallah.

 

I have substantial support and evidence, from people using this site to state and prove my hypothesis to be absolute correct. I really don't mind what people's stances are or the words they write in here to disguise what they really think. I have a special gift (Al-hamdulillaah) and that is a good memory, the ability to read between the lines and remember what one said previously and then connect the dots to get a indefinite picture what people really think and avoid telling us here honestly.

 

I link together all this with scientific, historical and social events together preferably with ones vague identity and voilà, you get an indefinite answer to the root of our problems and the solutions to it.

 

Inshallah wait for the results.

[N.O.R.F]

I would encourage NG and SW to email their response's to awdalnews. People who read it deserve to read your views also.

 

I sincerely hope you do :cool:

[Kashafa]

I have a special gift (Al-hamdulillaah) and that is a good memory, the ability to read between the lines and remember what one side previously and then connect the dots to get a indefinite picture what people really think and avoid telling it here honestly

^ Yaa Sakhar, as soon as you come to grips with the fact that you have offically entered SOL folklore as a vainglorious cartoon, kinda like Don Quixote , you'll be OK.

 

50 years down the line, 3rd generation SOLers will be telling the tales of Awoowe Sakhar. Not bad at all, duqa.

[Fiqikhayre]

I made necessary grammatical corrections to my first post so people kindly read in full what I have written and tell me what you agree on or disagree with.

 

I would very much appreciate it.

 

This here is only one master quote of what I've written:

 

I already took some impressions and every post I read I usually can connect the dots and link it with some kind of psychological event some people unconsciously paint. My hypothesis is nearly finished and I shall present it in due time inshallah.

 

I have substantial support and evidence, from people using this site to state and prove my hypothesis to be absolute correct. I really don't mind what people's stances are or the words they write in here to disguise what they really think. I have a special gift (Al-hamdulillaah) and that is a good memory, the ability to read between the lines and remember what one said previously and then connect the dots to get a indefinite picture what people really think and avoid telling us here honestly.

 

I link together all this with scientific, historical and social events together preferably with ones vague identity and voilà, you get an indefinite answer to the root of our problems and the solutions to it.

I know this place is heating up and I already told you, if I would go into detail and say how it is, this house wouldn't be standing any longer. It would definately change, like a earthquake on the worst and highest Richter scale changes the landscape of a location but I shall refrain from it now inshallah.

[Xoogsade]

^ Can I be the first you psychoanalyze? would be fun to see how much of an ability you have to read people's mind or see into their hearts from what they write and reveal what they haven't expressed in words.

[Suldaanka]

Bashir Gooth should and must apologise to the people of Mogadishu.

[N.O.R.F]

to get a

indefinite

picture what people really think and avoid telling us here honestly.

By all means go ahead

[Fiqikhayre]

Xoogsade I'm not interested in psychoanalysing you because I'm not interested examining people's individualistic mindset but rather more the collective mindset of certain people who think alike. We might think of ourselves to be holding our own independent viewpoints but what makes certain people of certain places have the same way of thinking?

 

I believe that it is historical and social events that make up our complex way to view certain things as we view them. Opinions are shaped and made from those historical and social events. Add this to the propaganda and daily brainwashing activities one is subjected too and those propaganda and brainwashing activities make us think along with the community we are most confident with and that would be ones own community.

 

However, what happens if there's a break down of this propaganda? People will start to judge things without having any influences and being subjected to propaganda that appeals to them to think not as an individual but as in blocks of groups. Once this barrier is broken down, people will start to think independently but we're never free from influences. Our opinions are made from historical, social events, socialising with siblings and taking their way of thinking or having the same views as your father, by listening to propaganda broadcast or reading materials that help us to form and make up a viewpoint of our own. Of course religion is a force in peoples making of opinions but this is not about religion but people's attitude and shaping of political opinions and viewpoints in the 21 centaury especially Somalia. People might now say that their political viewpoints or opinions are based on Islam but I tend to disagree today in Somalia our viewpoints and opinions are shaped by experience and collective community thinking.

 

This is not a light or easy task but a rather really complex scientific undertaking and research on my behalf. So if you want a personal psychoanalysis on your mindset, would you mind if I recommend you taking up one where you are I believe you're in Minneapolis? I hear they have got people who are very good in that subject.

 

However let me tell you once again this is a scientific research on the existence of individualistic views and what makes people think alike and in blocks and therefore side with their 'community' although their 'communities' viewpoints might be perceived as wrong by the vast majority of others, who are either connected or unconnected, effected or unaffected by this people and their viewpoints.

 

So this is rather complex Xoogsade and I'm not interested as I said before what people think as individuals because most individuals minds are somehow brainwashed, that is if they allow themselves to be brainwashed by the propaganda and go with the sentiments and viewpoints of the crowd. How many of us here are struggling to think independently and try to challenge some of the universal viewpoints, political I mean, some of our own communities are holding? Is it a coincidence that so many people 'think' or base their political viewpoints in agreements with that what the majority of the people in their own country or community think? Think of it I say.

 

This is an examination of why people follow the same views as communities or think alike and in blocks and if individualistic thinking actually exists and if it does, what is actually undermining it.

 

Islam as you know encourages people to think independently and consult their religion rather following the 'ignorant masses' but this is not a religious debate but a debate in which I shall examine 21 centaury psychological thinking of Somalis as a collective block of communities and why individualistic thinking is so undermined and discouraged and what causes and effects brainwashing and propaganda has on that community and why we think in blocks rather as independent individuals and why it is a coincidence that most of our views rightly or wrongly coincide with that of the majority viewpoint and consensus of our respected communities.

 

I know Xoogsade it is difficult and complex and it is beyond of the grasp of some people but you should know me by know that I rather think on issues that are very complex and I always manage to make this complex issues seem like very easy to understand with my unique way of describing such phenomena. So I'm not interested in individuals but the collective thinking of some people in here and how it relates to each other.

 

I know its complex.

 

Sakhar.