The New PR for the Insurgents

[Juje]

Originally posted by Emperor:

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, Jinsiyada iyo Diinta hadaad adiga bixisid aginana waan baxshaayee ogoow... Hadda wixi kadanbeeyana Juje-ow Somalinimada waa laga saaray

I appeal against your decision you cannot strip me of my 'jinsiyaad'.

Seriously though that was the tone of Peace's argument and it is also the main point of the thread poster. By saying Abu Fatax and Abu Widaayo are slaughtering TFG and Tigres thus the Tigres have the right to slaughter innocent pious people is at best ludicrious and at worst despicable. It lacks the sense of one's own belief, that is if he/she believes in Islam.

That is the bottom line, how far are you willing to accept the atrocities of Tigre in order to safeguard your own dubious interest in Somali political stage. And what guarantees do you have that you will not become a victim yourself if your guardians change their playing cards. After all I fail to see the diference between poker and politics. Your hand could change in the next draw.

[Lois Lane]

Poster,

 

When you have a foreign entity slash Somali citizen' (usually children, elderdy who cant defend themselves) throats, its BARBARIC. Its the same act as slaughtering say a sheep for instance. Perhaps you wanted them to soften their words so that these acts would not seem as atrocious as they truly are. But walaal, it is what it is. The truth might not be the priority of this spineless administration, but facts are facts.

 

Besides talking about pr this and that, what do you think the tfg supporters are doing when they throw words like terrorist left and right like they learned the word yesterday. Then again their mere parrots repeating endlessly the words used by us and ethiopian administration, without really knowing its consequences.

[rudy-Diiriye]

remainds me of the saying puppets on string!! Argagaxiso or terrorists... r definitely tfg and their amxaaro masters. no doubt.

[Peace Action]

bal firsha ninkaan qiilka uu radinayo gowrici Amxarada uu geysatey wadadadi Tabliiqa.

Ina Lillahi wa ina Illeyhi Rajicuun.

You are a simpleton. Go back to the thread and re-read it again. Where does it says I support beheading? I don't. The whole point is that beheading is wrong in today's world opinion and the group that boasted in SOL are shabaab supports. The question still stands: Is beheading wrong or is it wrong when the otherside does it?

 

Are you not the the man who said the shabaab is cancer and should be destroyed?

[Geel_jire]

^ what you are confusing and the reason ppl are saying is qiil bad u raadinaysaa because you are equating two things which are very different.

 

1- on one hand you have men in TFG uniform (paid mercenaries ) who are beheaded we can debate the merits of that

 

2- innocent civilians who are not involved in the fighting example the innocent tabliq, the boy who was slaughtered in front of his mother , the two young boys killed defending their sisters

 

then this ridiculous question of

 

The question still stands: Is beheading wrong or is it wrong when the other side does it?

as if x=y

[Xidigo]

America the child killer.

:mad:

 

 

Now who is the terrorist here? This question is for our SOLers who Support the US/Xabash/Ddhlifs

[Emperor]

Juje I will pass that and forgive you this time, after I thought long and hard about your appeal, I decided to grant you back your Somaliness, Congratulations

[Resistance]

Has it come to this point where some are justifying the act of beheadings by the invading infidels cause the Shabaab do it too, acuubillah. As others have,already pointed out the Shabaab calimed to have beheaded what they see as the their enemy so comparing that of the beahings of civilians in a mosque or in their houses is just is sick and sad.

 

It seems like those who support the TFG are behaving like a person who is so in love with another that at every point they justify the wrongs of those they love.

 

1.1st when rumours had that Etho army was in Baidoa they denied it, but it became true they justified.

 

2. When the Ethos came to Xamar they used they will b there for a month or two and tat they don't support there long-term stay.

 

3. When innocent civialian were bombarded by the enemt they claimed as not tru and tat it was make-beleive, but when pictures showed it they justified by saying it Shabaab were hiding amongst them.

 

So sometimes is really just waste of time trying to convince them that the TFG have done nothing for the people of Somalia, if anything they made life more difficult then it was two years but a person in love ( in this case with a qabiil) is a lost cause.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

No one in here justifies the resort to such horrendous method of killing. I think it is probably misunderstanding between you guys. From the way I understood Peace Action and Emperor, there is a conditional clause in their statements, that is (If) this is true, why would those who previously justified the act of beheading condemn the act now?

 

As I have already stated, this whole accusation is a propoganda and a new PR for the insurgents so that it condones their brutal activities such as suicide bombing and systematic assasination against civilians, clerks and governors.

[Fabregas]

^^ Please, do tell us how these acts are just mere " propoganda from insurgents"? Why should deem the Somali women, children and elders from Jigjiga and Muqdisho, the ones who reported these attrocities, as liars? Tell us why Xabashi soldiers wouldn't do such things?

[Fabregas]

More PR against the TPLF Soldiers :

 

quote:"The soldiers came to Aleen, after they burned down Lahelow. Then they burned Aleen. We were there at the time. The soldiers arrived and ordered the people out of their homes. They gathered all of the people together. Then the commander ordered the village burned. The commander told us, ‘I have told you already to leave these small villages,’ and then they forced us out. Then they burned down all the homes. The houses are just huts, so it is easy to burn them."

– Villager, September 23, 2007

 

 

quote:"I was taken away with two men, Hassan Abdi Abdullahi and Ahmed Gani Guled. First, they pulled ropes around the necks of the two men and pulled in opposite directions, and both fell down. They put me in a ditch while they were strangling the other two. One soldier tried to strangle me with the metal stick used for cleaning the gun [by pushing it down on my throat], but I twisted his finger until he released me. Then two other soldiers came and they put a rope around my neck and started pulling. That is the last thing I remember, until I woke up, still in the ditch. A naked body was on top of me, it was Ahmed Gani Guled, who was dead. I couldn't move out of the ditch until I was found by some women who came to the waterhole."

– Ridwan Hassan-rage Sahid, October 30, 2007

 

 

quote:"They started beating me with the backs of their AK-47 guns. They hit me once with the gun in my face, and then started beating me. They also hit me with the gun barrel in my teeth, and broke one of my teeth. Then they started beating me with a fan belt on my back and my feet. It lasted for more than one hour. Then they tied both my legs and lifted me upside down to the ceiling with a rope, and kept beating me more, saying I had to confess. For two months, we underwent this same ordeal, being taken from our rooms at night and being beaten and tortured."

– Thirty-one-year-old shopkeeper, September 20, 2007

 

 

quote:"They wanted to intimidate the rest of us, so they brought the two girls who they said were the strongest ONLF supporters. They made the rest of us watch while they killed the two girls. First they tried to get them to confess, saying they would kill them otherwise. Then they shot both of them with their guns. Their names were Faduma Hassan, 17, and Samsam Yusuf, 18. Both were students."

– Student, September 23, 2007

 

 

quote:"We have a well in Qoriley which is surrounded by wire. The army has prohibited us from using it, so you have to sneak in at night. All these things have been imposed on us this year. At nighttime, we will try and get some water to store in our houses. But if the soldiers see you are fetching water, they can kill you."

– Villager, September 22, 2007

[Fabregas]

More PR?

 

 

Rape and Other Sexual Violence

 

Human Rights Watch research found that the Ethiopian armed forces have been responsible for numerous instances of sexual and gender-based violence against women and girls in conflict-affected areas of Somali Region. Women taken into military custody as suspected ONLF spies or for providing the insurgents military support are frequently raped or otherwise sexually assaulted while being transported to or held in military camps. Soldiers have also assaulted and raped women and girls in urban areas as well as when they are collecting firewood, water, and other vital supplies in rural areas that the ENDF considers “closed.” Human Rights Watch is unaware of any instances since 2007 in which soldiers have been disciplined or punished for committing acts of sexual violence.

 

Rape and other sexual violence is prohibited under the laws of war and is a war crime.122 When committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack on a civilian population, it is a crime against humanity.123

 

Rape of Women in Military Custody

Human Rights Watch has documented cases of rape of female detainees by government soldiers at military bases in Wardheer, Dhagahbur, Kabridahar, Jijiga, Shilabo, Duhun, and Fiiq towns, and many smaller military bases in the conflict-affected zones, indicating that rape is a widespread abuse in the region. According to many of the women and men interviewed by Human Rights Watch, rape of female detainees regularly occurs in military custody and often involves senior military officials, including base commanders, and interrogators.

 

In June 2007 a 38-year-old woman was detained by soldiers as she entered Dhagahbur town from her home in Kariir to sell some goats. She was taken by the soldiers to the brigade headquarters. She told Human Rights Watch that during her 25-day detention, soldiers had raped her on five separate occasions before she was transferred to a police station.124

 

In June 2007, soldiers arrested a 17-year-old student from her home in Duhun, in Duhun wereda, Fiiq zone, accusing her of being an ONLF supporter. The nine soldiers took her to the Duhun military base, where she was detained together with about 15 other female students in a dark hole in the ground. The soldiers beat her on the first night of her detention, and then beat and raped her the second night. During her three-month detention, she was raped at least 13 times. According to the student, most of the 40 or so women who were detained at various times during those three months were raped, and the camp commander himself participated in the rapes:

 

Every night, they took all of us girls to [interrogations]. They would separate us and beat us.

 

The second time they took me, they raped me. It is hard to talk about, a man who is more powerful than you can do whatever he wants to you, so they violated me and raped me as they wanted. All three of the men raped me, consecutively. Then we were returned to the hole.

 

I was in a lot of pain and there was no doctor, until today I have not seen a doctor. I was held in the prison for three months, and raped on at least 12 other occasions, by different groups of soldiers. The commander of the base also participated in the rapes and beatings. We were all raped—the girls and the mothers. They brought new girls and women all the time, at least 40 girls and women were detained during the three months I was there.125

 

On May 23, 2007, the day after fighting in the area between the army and ONLF forces, the soldiers detained some villagers, including two women and a 16-year-old girl from Toon-Eli village in Korahe zone and took them to the Dhuumo-Dhumodle army base in Kabridahar. The two women and girl were detained there with another nine women, many of them relatives. Soldiers raped at least seven of the 12 women. On the night of May 29-30, soldiers executed Sahan Hussein and Khadar Ali Hussein in front of the other female detainees by strangling them with ropes after forcing them to confess to being ONLF members.126

 

In addition to these cases, based on victims’ accounts, many other former detainees reported witnessing rapes or seeing strong evidence of rape, such as women and girls who returned to their cells with ripped clothes, and bleeding from their private parts. A 19-year-old university student studying in Addis Ababa who was detained in Dhagahbur town in May 2007 when he returned home for a holiday, and kept for two months at a military base there, witnessed several such cases. During his detention, he saw a severely injured 23-year-old woman who was suffering from a swollen belly and an injured right arm after soldiers apparently raped her. She died from her injuries while at the base.127

 

A 30-year-old shopkeeper from Wardheer town was detained from early May until July 28, 2007 at the “Transport Tanks” military base in Wardheer town, accused of providing economic support to the ONLF. He told Human Rights Watch of several cases of rape of women detainees that he personally witnessed:

 

The women were accused of supporting the ONLF, cooking food for the fighters and spying for the ONLF. Most of the women were being raped. As we were moved outside our room, I witnessed women who were interrogated and raped. I saw with my own eyes two girls being raped, at different times. We could hear their screams and could see these things with our own eyes. One girl was raped by five soldiers one night I was taken out, I was handcuffed at the time, and another time two girls were being raped just meters away from me. All the time when they interviewed the girls, they used to force them to undress themselves. Six soldiers were with the two girls when I saw them being raped; the interrogator was there also. When the women refused to answer the questions, the interrogator allowed the soldiers to rape them.128

 

In mid-May 2007, patrolling army soldiers detained a group of women and men from a small, unnamed nomadic settlement about two kilometers south of Shilabo town. The group was divided into several groups and told they would be taken to the military base in Shilabo for questioning. One of the women described how soldiers had taken her and another 10 women into a nearby forest, where they were beaten and raped before being left for dead:

 

Before we reached the town, the soldiers started beating us with thick sticks. They beat me very hard until I fell to the ground. This time while lying on the ground I was raped. I don’t know how many men raped me. Other women were raped too. It is a woodland area. We were about ten women, all of us were raped.

 

After the rape, some of the soldiers continued beating women, others were strangled with a rope but they didn’t die. In our group, we were shot. I was hit behind the left shoulder with a bullet. The army left us in the woodland. We were found by townspeople who took us to the town.129

 

Sexual Violence against Women Collecting Wood and Water

On May 8, 2007, army soldiers detained a 20-year-old charcoal seller from Kabridahar town while she was collecting wood near the military base in the Bam Burat area. The soldiers accused her of spying for the ONLF, and immediately began beating her with the wood she had collected and jumping on her body. At least three soldiers raped the woman. She lost consciousness from the beatings and the repeated rapes, and woke up nine days later at the military base in Kabridahar. After she was detained a month, her uncle managed to secure her release from the military base. She required extensive medical treatment for her wounds.130

 

In July 2007 patrolling soldiers from the Garbo base raped two young women on consecutive days as they went to fetch water from wells located a day’s walk from their homes in Fiiq zone. The first woman was detained by the soldiers around noon as she left the wells; two soldiers raped her and threw her off a cliff, causing her serious injuries. The second woman, who had just given birth to her first child, was detained around the same time the next day, and raped by three soldiers. Angry villagers protested by throwing stones at the army encampment. When the soldiers responded with gunfire, the villagers fled.131

 

Sexual Violence against Women Collecting Wood and Water

On May 8, 2007, army soldiers detained a 20-year-old charcoal seller from Kabridahar town while she was collecting wood near the military base in the Bam Burat area. The soldiers accused her of spying for the ONLF, and immediately began beating her with the wood she had collected and jumping on her body. At least three soldiers raped the woman. She lost consciousness from the beatings and the repeated rapes, and woke up nine days later at the military base in Kabridahar. After she was detained a month, her uncle managed to secure her release from the military base. She required extensive medical treatment for her wounds.130

 

In July 2007 patrolling soldiers from the Garbo base raped two young women on consecutive days as they went to fetch water from wells located a day’s walk from their homes in Fiiq zone. The first woman was detained by the soldiers around noon as she left the wells; two soldiers raped her and threw her off a cliff, causing her serious injuries. The second woman, who had just given birth to her first child, was detained around the same time the next day, and raped by three soldiers. Angry villagers protested by throwing stones at the army encampment. When the soldiers responded with gunfire, the villagers fled

[RedSea]

Is anyone really paying any attention to what this guy (koore tuunshe) and his friends like Emperor and the Duke post.

[rudy-Diiriye]

i dont think so...them boyz r buggy big time!

[General Duke]

Al Shabaab are clowns, their leaders are cowards and their supporters are ill informed.