The New PR for the Insurgents

[Koora-Tuunshe]

"slaughtering" has become the de facto trademark for their combination of the escalation of violence and PR--noise, don't you think?

Before it was the roar of superior guns, now it is the deer hunting knive.

 

It is designed to portray the ENDF and TFG troops as barbaric force when in fact it's the so called Islamists, war economy group, and armed bandits, who have been known for that brutal method of killing and subsequently making strong statements in support of their heinous killings. For instance, the beheading of three TFG soldiers and the desecration and burning of the dead.

 

They have realized such tactics weren't working in their favor, for it resulted in the designation of Al-Shabaab as a terrorist International organization.

 

 

It is clear that Al-shabab affiliated group, El-man HR , initially started this campaign which might have dubious and deplorable implication for the legitimacy of the internationally recognized Somali government.

[Peace Action]

The onlt group that boasted of beheading 3 TFG troops are the shabaab. It is ironic, now they are accusing TFG/Ethiopia of beheading. If this act is so wrong why did they claim it and now condemn it.

[Seekknowledge]

because that was their job and ethiopia took it from them. How dare ethiopia kill and rape our women when we were doing a better job already i.e killing and raping.

[Fabregas]

^^ So you're not denying it does does happen?

But in effect your saying Somalis used to do it, so heck Xabashis can do it know as well? BTW, it's not just Xabashis that loot and rape: the TFG Soomaali moryaans are also @ it. And inshallah, whoever his doing rape and looting, Somali or Xabashis: waa lala xisaab-tami doona!

 

@Kore, Woyane troops "slaughter", rape and loot Somalis both in the Soomaali Galbeed region. There's no denying it, no matter how much waffle one regurgitates about insurgents and "government".

 

 

And your denial( of clear facts) rather than your condemnation is indeed good PR for the other side!

 

@Peace-action, Alshabaab slaughtered prisoners of war who happen to be soldiers- road bandits. Wrong as that may be, there's no comparison between that and Ethiopian forces taking women, children and young men from their houses and hacking them to death!

[Fabregas]

quote:Qorran, another 56-year-old woman from Mogadishu, described how after her family went to bed, she went out to collect charcoal. While she was out, a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at her home, completely destroying it. She said, 'When I came back, I couldn't find my house.' Her husband and sons were all killed in the attack. She told Amnesty International, 'If grief is going to kill anyone it's going to kill me.'

 

Guled, aged 32, who said that he saw his neighbours 'slaughtered'. Guled said he saw many men whose throats were slit and whose bodies were left in the street. Some had been castrated. He also saw women being raped. In one incident, more than 20 Ethiopian soldiers raped his newly-married neighbour when her husband was not home.

 

 

"Deer Hunting Knife?"

 

quote:In one case, a 15-year-old girl found her father with his throat cut when she returned home from school after Ethiopian security forces had swept through her neighbourhood.

 

Deer Hunting Knife?

 

 

Other cases in the report include:

 

A 56-year-old woman from Mogadishu called Haboon said Ethiopian troops had raped her neighbour's 17-year-old daughter. When the young woman's 13 and 14 year old brothers tried to protect their sister, the soldiers beat them and gouged out their eyes with a bayonet. The mother fled. It is not known what happened to the boys. This girl is in a coma as a result of the injuries she sustained during the attack.

 

 

New PR from the Insurgents?

 

quote:Ceeblaa, a 63-year-old woman from the capital's Wardhigley district told AI she saw three men from her neighbourhood being rounded up by Ethiopian troops.

 

"The next morning, she saw the bodies of the three men on the street," the report said.

 

"One was strangled with electrical wire. The second had his throat cut. The third had been chained ankle to wrist, and his testicles had been smashed."

 

More "PR" from the insurgents?

[Koora-Tuunshe]

In light of the devastating testimony we received from ordinary Somalis who have been the victims of brutal attacks by

all parties

to the conflict,

we expect the Ethiopian government to support a call for an international independent commission into the serious crimes being committed,"

a spokesperson said

It appears that Amnesty has no first hand knowledge into all of these allegations. It asks for an independent commission in order to investigate though it has released a major report of unfounded allegations. A professional organization like Amnesty should not unsuspectingly acknowledge the transmission of dubious testimonials that overwhelmingly and harshly accuse the TFG and Ethiopian troops of war crime atrocities? Something is fishy here because they all take precedence over facts and realistic investigation. I believe The transcript of the interviewers were collected and collated by the El-Man Human rights, a group affiliated with Al-shabab. Amnesty International then acknowledged and prepared them into an official report of its own, but it is asking for an independent commission to look deeply. What if the investigation is granted by TFG and what if such allegations were proved to be false beyond reasonable doubt.

Amnesty has been accused many times of an organization with hidden agenda behind its report.

Like some international NGOs, it carries out PR to inflame conflicts in Africa.

 

The west is no like China. The west behaves in terms of world domination unlike China which simply implements policies that endorse egalitarian principles, non-intervention and independent political development. Thus the west's relationship with the rest rests on exploiting the weak, installing dictators, speaking out falsely and truly for the same people whose lives and resources they continue to devour through different organization and channels operating differently but work as function of the same hidden agenda, and that is to keep us in the dark, to inflame hostility and prolong instability in Horn of Africa and the Middle East.

 

For instance, in one of its politically charged reports, Amnesty is calling for the Palestinian armed factions to desist attacks on Israeli civialins living in created settlements. It is like how the U.S media portrays the counter-attack made by the occupying Israeli force as "Defending itself" or Israeli forces were defending themselves from the people it denies basic human rights while creating settlements at the same time.

 

Amnesty International is also calling on Palestinian armed groups to cease launching attacks from populated areas and against Israeli civilians. http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGMDE150202008&lang=e

 

 

China has come up with an economic and political development model that produced tangible results in terms of poverty alleviation and national control of assets."

 

Read China in Africa, why the west is worried.

[http://www.dhahar.com/article.php?articleid=4647]

[Peace Action]

Abu,

You were defending beheading yesterday, why condemn it now? Answer the question, please. You should admit that shabaab is as bad as TFG/Ethiopia when it comes to serious violation of human rights and worse because they claim to be muslims following Islamic rule of warfare.

 

There are rules of war in Islam and there are rules of war in the world today and you guys brainwashed by shabaab subscribe to neither. So what do you believe.

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Abu-Geljire, you quoting the double-edged work of Elman Human Rights group.

This tells us the commission of systematic war crimes against humanity by TFG/ENDF troops. You oftentimes see ENDF/TFG troops patrolling the city Blvds, why not capture civilians walking on the street and murder them on the spot?

[rudy-Diiriye]

well..tfg is cowardly they only murder innocent civilians walking down the street. they aint no fighters...everybody knows that.

[Seekknowledge]

you call alshabaab fighters hiding behind women and children. Firing from their neighbourhoods and then run leaving the innocent they claim to be defending to be killed by ethiopians. So who is the coward here unless they change the meaning of coward in the dictionary nowadays. Isn't strange their leaders are killed sipping tea while the teenagers they brainwashed are killed in the frontlines. How about the ones screaming genocide from the comfort of their couches in eritrea? What would you call those?

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by Peace Action:

Abu,

You were defending beheading yesterday, why condemn it now? Answer the question, please. You should admit that shabaab is as bad as TFG/Ethiopia when it comes to serious violation of human rights and worse because they claim to be muslims following Islamic rule of warfare.

 

There are rules of war in Islam and there are rules of war in the world today and you guys brainwashed by shabaab subscribe to neither. So what do you believe.

Saxiib, I supported the beheading of the warlord militia? You have any evidence for that? I think you'll find that your confusing me with some other posters, namely: Geel Jire, Kashafa, etc! Secondly, I haven't been brainwashed by any group, since my criticism of all groups in the Somali conflict are well noted and has such I have no blind allegiance to any political group.

 

In fact, Blind following is constantly mocking the Somalis who were massacred by Xabashis troops and dismissing it as " propoganda" and/or " insurgent lies". This is the lowest form of political communication that a Somali could possibly descend to. And, as I have said before attempting to deny what Xabashi troops have done/are doing is actually undermining and giving a bad name to the TFG. Some things are just indefensible!

 

 

As for "Alshabaab" being as bad as the Ethiopians and TFG when it comes to rules of war: I will not admit that? why? because I don't hold it to be true. You can accuse them of carrying out the Bosaso Bombings, beheading warlord militia, assisinating tfg officials and Ethiopian sympathisers and fighting from civilian neighbourhoods.

 

 

But nobody( not even Alshabaab) can match the level of looting, checkpoint warlordism,raping and killing of innocent civilians done by the Xabashi troops and their warlord allies. Read the amnesty report or any other it clearly states that rapes and killing of innocent civilians is " notably" or " predominantly" done by Ethiopians troops and warlord militias. I have never heard of any resistance groups looting hospitals, beheading farmer/sheikhs or establishing checkpoints to tax poor Somalis!

 

 

Koore, everybody is lying because they are clanists and everybodies receiving feeds from Alshabaab terrorists! They're all seccesionists, SOuth-central liars and wacko Islamists. Xabahis troops are our African brothers, and thus would dream of harming innocent Somalis! right? It's all the Wahabis and Arabs, I tell ya! Right?

 

 

Well, there are w thousands of Somalis in the SOmali Galbeed region and inside Muqdisho, who daily report these attrocities! I'll glady take their word of yours anyday! No amount of waffle or semantics can cover up the brutality of the Woyane troops and their warlord mecenaries! That( defending/denying Xabashi troops massacres) is the lowest form of tribalism and nepotism, and I have no reservations of saying that!

[Juje]

Originally posted by Peace Action:

Abu,

You were defending beheading yesterday, why condemn it now? Answer the question, please. You should admit that shabaab is as bad as TFG/Ethiopia when it comes to serious violation of human rights and worse because they claim to be muslims following Islamic rule of warfare.

Hadhowba waxaa la oran Somalinimo aya jirta - bal firsha ninkaan qiilka uu radinayo gowrici Amxarada uu geysatey wadadadi Tabliiqa.

Ina Lillahi wa ina Illeyhi Rajicuun.

[Emperor]

^Qiil uu uraadiyay wax uma jeedo ninkaas laakiin waxaan arkaa inuu tilmaamay Alshabaab inayan wanaag lahayn.. at least thats what you quoted.

 

I think Somalinimada hal koox baa sharciyaysa!

[Juje]

Originally posted by Emperor:

^Qiil uu uraadiyay wax uma jeedo ninkaas laakiin waxaan arkaa inuu tilmaamay Alshabaab inayan wanaag lahayn.. at least thats what you quoted.

 

I think Somalinimada hal koox baa sharciyaysa!

Al-Shabaab wey xunyihiin ama wey fican yihiin waa baab kale - lakiin madama ay Shabaabku wax gowraceen Tigrega jiid bey uu leyihiin in ay ayaguna qalaan wadado masakiin ah oo Tabliiq ah - hadi aad adigu taas ku raac santahey iska dhaf jinsiyade xita isku Diin ma wada sheegan karno.

[Emperor]

^ , Jinsiyada iyo Diinta hadaad adiga bixisid aginana waan baxshaayee ogoow... Hadda wixi kadanbeeyana Juje-ow Somalinimada waa laga saaray

 

PS: Kuma oran waa sax in shacab Somaliyed la gawraco, hadali Peace Action-na sidaa uma uusan oran haduu yirina kuma raacsani, thats as clear as you can get...