Religious warlords reject the decision to implement Islamic Law

[MoonLight1]

Guys why critisize the gunmen and their leaders what ever name they have if you can't agree on whats good for the Nation, Thats why the war is still going on, because no Somali can agree with another Somali on what the cause of the problem is, and what is the cure for it. I think we are the most devided nation on earth, every where you go there is this blame game going on, and while they are argueing on another generation has been growing up not knowing what a marvelouse country they have. The other day I have been told a young girl whom I know and who was born in Otanga refugee camp in Kenya had her own child last year, imagine that girl and her baby they know nothing about their country. A second generation is growing up while Jamac is blaming Qawdhan, and Fiidow is blaming Mocow. be constructive guys.

[Fabregas]

@meiji,SXB, nobody rejects the sharica of Allah unless one is devoid of iman. But the pm openly rejected Quranic Ayats and the hudood of ALlah swt, ridiculing it by saying only the Taliban do this. That is a thousand times worser than anything Alshabab do.This was the sharica of Bani Israel( denying some parts of the kitab and acting on some parts). Shariff also said something of a similar tone to the Western media( Somalis are muslim already and the law doesn't need to be changed). So we welcome the decision of the Parliament, lakin they must implement it by action, remove the foreign forces and stop denying some parts of the sharica.

[Geel_jire]

This is the most dishonest slanted piece of reporting I've come across in a while.

 

sxb Mieji the content of the article and your title and arguments are completely contradictory.

 

lets start with this part:

 

“Haddii Baarlamaanka uu cod u qaaday in Shareecada Islaamka dalka lagu xukumo, berrina waa ka noqon karaa”ayuu yiri Shiikh Xuseen Cali Fiidow oo sheegay in sida uu u yiri dadka dowladda sheeganaya aaney dhab ka ahayn in Shareecada Islaamka lagu xukumo Soomaaliya

sh. Fiidow is saying that ruling the country under sharia should not have been be put to a vote.. it is the law of Allah and should not be up for debate.

 

if the MP can vote on sharia to today, they can vote to get rid of it tomorrow.

 

The implied message for the Somali challenged is : an emphatic YES !, we want sharia law

 

and this part:

 

Waxaa uu sheegay Shiikh Xuseen Cali Fiidow in Ra’iisal Wasaaraha Soomaaliya Cumar C/rashiid Cali Sharma-arke oo dhawaan la hadlayay Idaacadda Codka Mareykanka uu sheegay in Shareecada Islaamka ee ay qaateen ay tahay mid qunyar-socod ah oo aan ahayn mid dadka ku xukumeysa in gacmaha iyo lugaha laga jaro, waa sida uu Shiikh Xuseen hadalka u dhigaye.

 

“Waxaa daliil u ah in qoladan dowladda sheeganeysa aysan rabin in ay shareecada Islaamka ku xukunto dalka meelaha ay ka taliso ayaa ugu badan meelaha dadka lagu dhibaateeyo, dalka intiisa kalena nabadgelyo ayaa ka jirta”ayuu hadalkiisa ku sii daray Shiikh Xuseen Cali Fiidow Madaxa Siyaasadda iyo Gobollada ee Ururka Al-Shabaab.

This part is highlighting the hypocrisy of the PM, the ruling of Cutting the hands of thieves is laid down in the Quran, if the PM wishes to chery pick which aspects of the sharia to implement and which aspects offend his delicate sensibilities that is not Xukun by Sharia.

 

The final part makes absolutely no sense:

 

Ururka Al-Shabaab ayaa wuxuu noqonayaa Ururkii ugu horreeyay oo ka soo horjeesta go’aankii uu dhawaan Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ku gaaray in Dalka Soomaaliya lagu xakumo Shareecada Islaamka, waxaana xusid mudan in ay go’aankaas horay u soo dhaweeyeen Ururro ka soo horjeeda Dowladda Soomaaliya, kuwaasi oo ay ka mid yihiin garabyada Xisbul Islaam.

The author of this article must be mentally challenged .. otherwise how can any logical person jump from saying:

 

1- Al-shabaab are saying that Sharica is the law of Allah and should not be even debated whether to rule.

 

2- highlighting the hypocrisy of the PM

 

and summarizes his piece with

 

3- Al-shabaab oppose sharia law in Somalia.

 

 

Mieji sxb, Please help me connect the dots .. because im lost ?

[Meiji]

Geeljire,

 

The ''Sharica Law'' which the religious warlords have implemented in Baidoba and Kismaanyo is also fake one, if we go by the silly reasoning of Fiidow.

 

How can he know whether the decision is genuine or not? Sh.Shariif and ICU made one promise and that was that Somalia will be ruled by Islamic Law. They have fulfilled their promise, and now religious warlords are saying that it is not genuine and that they dont have the ''true version'' of the Islamic Law.

 

Alshabaab does not care for Islamic Law, because killing 14 year old girls by stoning can not be called Islamic Law. Where were the men that raped her?

 

They want their own distorted version of the Islamic Law, and they want to gain political power.

 

Hence why they denounced the Culama who are more knowledgable then them in regards to Islamic teachings,

 

Hency why they disgarded the decision to implement the Sharica Law as a ''false decision''

 

 

Hence why they have resorted to assasinating high ranking men within the resistance movement.

 

 

Lets see where they will end up.

[Geel_jire]

^ waan is maandhaafsanahay sxb.

 

I have no prob with your opinion .. I believe it is complete BS but it is still your opinion.

 

you posted an article that does not further your case or prove any point, which the article content and your title completely contradict each other.

 

I get that, your going with the "Evil Al-shabaab" theme .. but is it too much to ask that your supporting material be relevant and/or remotely related to your message.

[Meiji]

Geeljire,

 

This is what the news report said:

 

Ururka Al-Shabaab ayaa wuxuu noqonayaa Ururkii ugu horreeyay oo ka soo horjeesta go’aankii uu dhawaan Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ku gaaray in Dalka Soomaaliya lagu xakumo Shareecada Islaamka, waxaana xusid mudan in ay go’aankaas horay u soo dhaweeyeen Ururro ka soo horjeeda Dowladda Soomaaliya, kuwaasi oo ay ka mid yihiin garabyada Xisbul Islaam.

 

And the title of my topic is:

 

 

Religious warlords reject the decision to implement Islamic Law

 

 

There is no contradiction sxb.

[Geel_jire]

^ That is exactly my point sxb.

 

how in the world did he jump to that conclusion, the few quotes from sh. fiidow clearly show that he supports sharia law and goes even further to say ..it should not even be debatable.

 

he also highlights the PM chery picking ... implying that he supports full implementation of sharia law.

 

the conclusion in that article can not be drawn from the quotes from sh. fiidow in the beginning of that piece .. he did not quote any rep. of Al-shabab saying they oppose sharia ... but the complete opposite in the very same article.

 

the author pulled it out of his @ss.

[Meiji]

Geeljire,

 

He rejected the decision to implement Islamic Law because he argued it was not ''genuine'' or ''true'' Islamic Law.

 

 

Stonning 14-year old girls while the rapists face no justice is ''Islamic Law'' in their distorted minds.

 

The religious warlords will search for every excuse to continue their warlord career. Mogadishu has already overcome secular warlords, surely these extremist teenagers will face the same fate.

 

PS: Hiiraan.com is one of the most objective news sources out there. They have presented the news correctly.

[Duufaan]

meji

 

Modisho society maybe angry losing control of south/west somalia but should be carefull any war against Alshabaab and other groups who created peace in south/west somalia for first time. wether Duke or you dislake them, they are local and they bring local solution.

 

So far any effort has not made to bring these people on the table. they cannot be ignored.

 

with the all effort made for peace in moqdisho, does not seems to work and will not work unless moqdisho learn it is mistakes.

[MoonLight1]

Geel Jire & Zaylac

don't go too far guys by judging things in a rush, give the guys a chance, a muslim should not be suspicious about the intentions of another muslim, its haraam in Islam to suspect your brother and always twist his intentions and predict his coming deeds, Shariif and co said they will implement sharia, so why can't you wait guys, why don't you look at the bigger picture and be merciful to the innocent civilians who want to come back to their houses and live normal lives, Sharia is not only Huduud although its part of it, Bringing back the millions who fled to their homes is part of sharia, bringing back law and order is part of sharia, rebuilding the destroyed institutions is part of sharia,giving peace a chance is part of sharia, respecting the Ulamaa is part of sharia, reconciling the nation is part of sharia, sharia is a whole package and a way of life, why do we always think cutting the hand of a thieve is the only sharia, this is distorting Islam and making it something it is not, look at the history of Islam, in the first hundred years of the Hijrah how many people's hands were cut, very few.

[NASSIR]

Well said moonlight.

 

 

The implementation of Sharia law is the way forward, but its application needs circumspection and careful deliberation and established national judges with great credentials of religious background and probity, who can understand time's prerequisites. Good Times and circumstances of the past have dramatically shifted towards a chaotic world and a world of dishonesty and perfidy, greed and poverty.

 

It's hard to implement the application of the cutting of hands for a mere shoplifting given the circumstances we are in. Human beings are fallible, judgemental, biased, subjective and divided over the complete and fair interpretation of the laws of Allah according to the right circumstances. Case in point is the stonning of the 16 yearl girl--that we all wept and grieved for her great deal of suffering--under the shaddow of the power struggle between the opposing forces of the TFG.

 

Look at how the scarcity of trustworthiness rooted in our culture today manifest itself from the past. When an English traveler under the contractual service of the Common Wealth Ministry visited Sanaag in 1843, he was marveled at the hospitality and extreme honesty of the inhabitants. He reported that "to call a man thief is a deadly insult to be washed by blood alone."

That you could leave your personal property in an open marketplace with high concentration of particapants without having to worry about their loss was the norm.

Compare that era to the present one, you are hardly equipped with such thoughts of complete integrity with todays' people.

[Fabregas]

Brother Moonlight;

 

hudood is only a part of sharica;you are correct. To say that the timing and condition is not correct to implement it( like Hamas did) is one thing. But to deny and mock some aspects of hudood is another matter altogether which can lead to one commiting Kufr(disbelief). You can't excuse what the pm said unless;

 

1. He is ignorant and totally uneducated on Islam

2. He was forced to do it or he was scared

 

 

I hope his words are not a representation of the entire government.

[GoldCoast]

Originally posted by Al Zeylaci:

Brother Moonlight;

 

hudood is only a part of sharica;you are correct. To say that the timing and condition is not correct to implement it( like Hamas did) is one thing. But to deny and mock some aspects of hudood is another matter altogether which can lead to one commiting Kufr(disbelief). You can't excuse what the pm said unless;

 

1. He is ignorant and totally uneducated on Islam

2. He was forced to do it or he was scared

 

 

I hope his words are not a representation of the entire government.

Your seemingly willing to take the PMs quotes out of context( possibly) and using it to derail the entire situation at hand, a very well known political propaganda move most well renowned by the Israeli's.Why arent you willing to concede that the move to implement Sharia is one that is a move towards the right direction? Isnt it entirely destabilizing and contradictory to focus on disputed quotes made by the PM as opposed to the bigger picture? The lack of willing to compromise is very emblematic of the entire Shabaab wing at large something that can prove to be their Achille's heel.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Kii la arko waa iska mucaarad iyo wax buu kasoo horjeedaa; mucaarad meel uu socdo iyo ka socdo la ogey; mucaarad wax uu u taaganyahay iyo kasoo taaganyahay la fahmeynin.

 

Soomaali maxaa laga sameeye taloow? Bini'aadenka kale dhoobo laga abuuree, Soomaali ma dhagax ka sameysan yihiin.

 

War yaa inoo damqada Soomaali haddaa nahnay. Iskama naxeyno. Kuwii naga naxaayena ma ogolin. Inaa tashano waala diiday; in nalala taliyo mala ogola. Inaa isku talino waa isku diidnay, in naloo taliyo waa diidnay. Dowladde kale magangalyo waa u raadsaneynaa oo nabad ku deganahay dalalkaas, dhulkeena kuma magangali karno oo iskuma ogolin nabad waarta. Shiish.

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by GoldCoast:

quote:Originally posted by Al Zeylaci:

Brother Moonlight;

 

hudood is only a part of sharica;you are correct. To say that the timing and condition is not correct to implement it( like Hamas did) is one thing. But to deny and mock some aspects of hudood is another matter altogether which can lead to one commiting Kufr(disbelief). You can't excuse what the pm said unless;

 

1. He is ignorant and totally uneducated on Islam

2. He was forced to do it or he was scared

 

 

I hope his words are not a representation of the entire government.

Your seemingly willing to take the PMs quotes out of context( possibly) and using it to derail the entire situation at hand, a very well known political propaganda move most well renowned by the Israeli's.Why arent you willing to concede that the move to implement Sharia is one that is a move towards the right direction? Isnt it entirely destabilizing and contradictory to focus on disputed quotes made by the PM as opposed to the bigger picture? The lack of willing to compromise is very emblematic of the entire Shabaab wing at large something that can prove to be their Achille's heel.

What disputed quotes? Where I am taking his words out of context The brother went on air publicly and said that;

 

1.Sharica law was only being used to divide the insurgents

2.THat the hudood will not be used as this a taliban practice

 

I haven't even said how some of these dudes are playing clan politics to start a war with alshabab, or how they are bringing more foreign troops, or................

 

Yes the move towards sharica by the parliament is good step, lakin if it is for the reasons the pm said then it is badil and nonsensical. Thus again I say to you: I hope that isn't the view of this entire government.

 

 

btw; thanks for comparing to Israelis.