Taking the Higher Moral Ground: No response to Mortar attack

[Meiji]

Madaxweyne Shariif oo amar ku bixiyay in Madaafiic jawaab laga ridin Madaxtooyada

 

C/llaahi Sheekh Nuur (C/llaahi Qadar) oo ka mid ah Xafiiska Warfaafinta Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya Sheekh Shariif ayaa ka warbixiyay Madaafiicdii shalay lagu tuuray Madaxweynaha, taasoo uu ku tilmaamay tallaabo doqonimo ah.

 

 

C/llaahi Qadar ayaa qiray in dhowr Madaafiic lagu soo tuuray Madaxtooyada, hase yeeshee aanay waxba geysan, isagoona tilmaamay in Ciidamada Ammaanka Madaxtooyada ay adkeeyeen ammaanka.

 

 

"Madaxweynaha wuxuu amar ku bixiyay inaan madaafiic jawaab ah laga ridin Madaxtooyada"ayuu yiri C/llaahi Qadar oo intaa ku daray in xilliyadii hore ay dadka Muqdisho filan jireen in ficil nuucaas ah, isla markaana ay dareen naxdin leh ka qabi jireen marka la weeraro Madaxtooyada.

 

 

Waxaa uu sheegay in tani ay tahay mid hididiilo leh oo muujineysa in aan la daadin dhiiga shacabka, waxaana uu tibaaxay in shacabka ay si aad ah usoo dhoweeyeen tallaabada geesimada leh ee uu qaaday Madaxweynaha, taas oo uu ku joojiyay in Madaafiic jawaab ah la rido.

 

 

Jawaab la’aanta madaafiicda lagu tuuray Xarunta Villa Somalia waxaa si weyn u soo dhaweeyay dadka ku dhaqan magaalada Muqdisho, gaar ahaan kuwa heli jiray jawaabta madaafiicda loo rido dhinaca Madaxtooyada

 

 

Waa tallaabadii ugu horeysay oo uu qaado Madaxweynaha cusub ee Soomaaliya, taasi oo uu ku muujinayo in uu kala duwan yahay hab dhaqankiisa iyo midka madaxdii ka horeysay ee fariisinka ku lahaa xarunta Madaxtooyada Villa Somalia.

[Thierry.]

Another good move by the President, he is winning hearts and minds and minimising the support of these thugs who know nothing but the barrel of the gun.

[LayZie G.]

^thats right thierry. Yey never uttered the following words

 

Abdullahi Qadar, an official working for the new president, said Ahmed had ordered government forces and the AU peacekeepers not to return fire to avoid civilian casualties.Reuters

If anyone had doubts about SSA, they need not look further than the latest news coming out of the capital.

[Thierry.]

LG

You are right Yey was trigger happy he cared less about his subjects, however sooner or later the good Sheikh is going to have to play hardball, if they continue this nonsense.

[Fabregas]

^^how? by ordering cidamada, walaha, musliminta aminsom and warlords to track down and fire at the khawarijite who are rebelling?

[Thierry.]

Abu Diaby

 

Are you defending the shelling of the Presidential compound, lest you forget the young boys are a minority in that city. The folks who live there will track them down unless you believe they are all amisom and warlords.

 

dont bite the hand that fed you for the last 3 years

[Fabregas]

^^ thank you, but i've been fed by the british government. No, not defending the shelling of that brother. Just find it preculiar and odd that when those youths were attacking qeybdid, the ugandans and the tfg officials they were resistance fighters and heroes; but, today they are evil khawirijites. why? because a saint is in there. The saint MUST have purified the devils(don't take it as a literal). As for who is a minortiy and who will be tracked down by the city folks: wa shekadi duke!

[RedSea]

Thiery don't get emotional brother. The sheikh has forgotten who he is. By trying to sideline the people who have liberated the country and making them seem as an obstacle to his "peace-caravan" doesn't achieve anything. He needs to get off his high horse and face reality. He needs to demand that Amison troops leave somalia ASAP instead of seeking shelter under their wing while also requesting for more, a call for better reconciliation process would suffice, and must be done right this time. Thus far all criminals of the state are loose, justice is being ignored. I do not for a minute think that peace can be achieved this way.

 

Ignoring key elements is not the answer.

[Meiji]

If those who did the cowardly shelling are proud of it why dont they claim it?

 

So far, no group has claimed the shelling because everybody knowes that there is no justification for this kind of shelling anno february 2009.

 

Whoever did it should publicely claim the shelling and try to justify it.

[Thierry.]

AD

The hand that feeds you was a reference to young boys who have enjoyed popular support during the Ethiopian occupation.

Saxiib unlike many others you mean well, however your line of reasoning is strange, what is peculiar is they continue to fight although their main reason (Ethiopian occupation) is no longer there. What is their argument to the people for the continuation of violence?

If they want Amisom out stop the violence and ask them man, but I suspect even if they leave there will be another excuse to fight.

Saxiib me and you wouldn’t want rainy London to be burning for the sake of it so lets not wish for homeland to be in a state of anarchy

 

 

Red

Lool adeer you must not be reading the news lately his every other speech is an invitation to the young men to come on board his government, all other resistance group against the Tigres have come on board apart from Al Shabaab, so you have no argument there.

 

When did he request for more Amisom troops?

[QUANTUM LEAP]

Its almost twenty years now since Somalia has known any kind of peace, let alone a people who think alike. I notice that whatever one does in todays Somalia. there will always be objection and people who wont see beyond their noses. Its time we put our differences aside and supported one government, its people at large and pulled together for the sake of not losing anymore lives. Sharif apparently has history on his side as someone who has the potential to make peace and bring peace to a land and nation that has no hope. Our people have suffered enough and dont need anymore violence and hopefully negative innuendoes. Lets commit to something futuristic rather than live in the past and bring peace together for the sake of those poor people who have endured more than anyone can regardless of political affiliations. A new sheriff is in town so lets make peace and lets hope he is abetter man as he has already shown by not being trigger happy. I can only assume those who are shelling him are scared criminals with apast that will come to haunt them should he succeed.

[Thierry.]

QL well said boss.

 

How have you been saxiib, inshallah I will pop around for a visit to you guys soon

[QUANTUM LEAP]

Oh brother been good alhamdulilah and hope the same applies in ya case. Havent been around here for awhile and thought ma two cents were due:)

[Fabregas]

Thierry said:fight although their main reason (Ethiopian occupation) is no longer there. What is their argument to the people for the continuation of violence?

 

 

Brother, the fighting between maxakim and the warlords started before Ethiopia invaded. Or don't you remember that? It was Shariff who was leading the maxakim at that and his arguments can be summarised as follows:

 

1. Warlords are Mujrims fighting against the deen and the people, thus Somali folks must liberate themselves from their grup.

 

2. NO, NO, No, to foreign troops, including AMNISOM, who shall all be dealt with in the same manner. NO, NO,NO, to further peacekeepers.

 

3. TFG are criminals and hence they wil not be negotiated with unless they repent, especially after bringing foreign forces to the land.

 

 

4. And finally:Sharica shall be the law that prevails in the land.

 

Majority of notable Somali Ulema came out and supported those stances.

 

Three years later, the Ethiopias have departed, however, SOmalia is back to where it was in 2006.

 

The armed groups want to keep fighting the amisom, tfg and the other warlords, as well as the new government. Remember those were the reasons that Shariff sold as the reasons for going to war in 2006.

 

Now the question is: why are they doing it? is it because they want to live anarchy or because they hate peace?

 

Both are nonsensical arguments; and it has become the norm that most people on SOL start to regurgitate the words: peace, hope for the best and SOmalia needs any government,fulan hates peace, fulan is allergic to peace, all hail chief shariff.

 

I don't have nothing against those arguments. Though I am simply trying to get to you understand that other armed groups weren't simply fighting to remove Ethiopia from Somalia, if you thought that, you're mistaken. They were fighting to remove Ethiopians, Amisom, Somali warlord and then set up sharica system, not so a tribal or secular government could take their place. How realistic their aims ARE is another debate altogether. What is up for dispute is that they hate peace or that they are evil khawarij for not compromising on their principles and not joining the newly announced warlord, come wadad government. I don't think they are and their position is not different from most other liberation movements in the world.

 

 

 

As someone, who is reading from the distance, I believe that they shouldn't fight the Sheikh, since it will lead to a greater evil, that is , a religous war and a brutal struggle for Muqdisho. But I think they will as their world is one of conflicting binary discourses and black and white decisions.

 

That said, what I still find peculiar and don't buy is this rush to condemn and potray as evil, the armed forces who are attacking the AMINisom and still fighting against the tfg warlords. How can it be that in 2006 it was just for them to fight warlords, but today they are khawarijites? How can shariff call the tfg murtads and warlords in 2006, but today they are brothers and people who attack them are evil?

 

 

The systems and the conditions that brought war in 2006 haven't changed, only the people have, they have switched factions. Suppose Abdi Qeybdiid or some other warlords beat the Sheikh in the contest in Djibouti, then would Alshabab still be evil for attacking the new president in his villa? Suppose Mahamed DHere won? WOuld you say, " ah ah, the lunatic, khawarij, are attacking the new SOmali president? Do warlord, tfg and aminsom become blessed and righteous because a sheikh joined it? That is all what the armed groups are screaming. Can you answer that question?

 

Okay, so what I was basically trying to say was that the armed groups are attacking his bases because he joined the tfg and because his sitting under the Ugandans tanks. The same reason why ABdullahi Yusuf was attacked in his villa. They couldn't care less if a Sheikh or a saint is in there.

 

good day brother.

[Meiji]

Abu, the history of Mogadishu did not start 2006, and 2006 is not 2009.

 

Mogadishu has changed on the surface yet the underlying actors and forces are still at work.

 

Muse Suudi, Qanyare, M.Dheere, Cumar Filish, Cusmaan Caato and all significant warlords may have exited Mogadishu political landscape but this does not mean there is an end to warlordism. There are new versions of them, only this time with a religious color.

 

A.Yusuf, Geedi, and all other signficiant die-hard Ethiopian supporters may have exited the Somali political landscape but this does not mean an end to die-hard Ethiopian puppets. The Ethiopians are grooming new versions of them, this time hiding under religious cover.

 

So basically,what we have anno 2009 are religious warlords in Mogadishu:

 

Sh.Cumar Imaan, Sh.Indha Adde, Sh.Addow, Sh. Turki, Sh. Xuseen etc have replaced the familiar names of Muse Suudi, Cusmaan Caato, Qanyare, Cumar Filish etc. Those religious warlords are now the main actors that prolong conflict and prevent Mogadishu society to stabilize and develop institutions.

 

 

So despite the change in names and actors, the city faces the same problem, this time with a religious color.

 

 

And Insha Allah, those religious warlords will be defeated and thrown in the dustpin of history.

 

Mogadishu society will overcome them like it did to all factions before it: Barre's dictatorial regime, the incompetent USC-factions, the capitalist imperialism ala UNISOM, the known warlords, the countless foreign-backed paper regimes, the brutal Ethiopian occupation, the Ethiopian-trojan horse TFG, and soon the religious warlords.

 

The only way for Mogadishu society is: the slow but crucial process of institutional development which will pave the way for a people's administration of the city. Only this kind of administration can truelly represent the inhabitants of the city and defend their interest as well as that of the city and nation.