What is 4.5?

[Taako Man]

Somalis are ONE TRIBE. Many clans and many more sub clans.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

It is flawd and will be replaced by district based parliment in which each district in Somalia will get representatives, at the local parliment, councilors and the federal one

ya generale, if we go back to that, will we not return to "Marna Rashid marna Rizaq, waxa kale ma roote ba"?

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

This illogic, irrational, unmathematical -- how can a wo/man be a "half" of a citizen in her or his own country of birth -- formula was first entertained by some qabyaalad-influenced participatants at Shirkii Qaahira, Masar, a dacade ago, in 1997.

 

It quickly died there without much consideration since the shir itself didn't go further.

 

Then it was re-raised, rehashed in Shirkii Carte, Jabuuti. After a much squabbling and la isku mari waaye other formats, someone brought this unbelievable idea back.

 

It reached to Ismaaciil Cumar Geelle, the madaxweynaha Jabuuti, who wanted anything that saved shirkaas. He thus advocated it.

 

There were some expected and unexpected opposition groups. The unexpected happened to be a few disgruntled clan supremacists who believed their clan -- and only their clan -- was bigger and larger than any other clan in Soomaaliya, and thus deserved some more seats and prestige. The opposite spectrum was shouting match from other group, who rightly objected the nus, half part of man they were reserved. They were alliances of so-called unarmed clans. If they themselves counted together, they are larger any other so-called "major" clan.

 

Also it was vehemently rejected by the few educated, sane, anti-qabyaalad, damiirkooda qabo nationalists. As said, they were only few and were won over, particularly with arm-wrestling, great pressure and tireless lobbying from Cumar Geelle.

 

Thus the mess we have now.

 

It didn't make sense by then, and neither does it now. It, instead of downplaying clanism, re-enforces and institutionalizes into a system.

 

Also it is unfair and unjustified qof Eebbe hal ka dhigay in la yiraahdo "nus" ama "qeyb" ayaa tahay, oo u qalantaa.

 

Soomaalida wax qabyaalad la dagaalamo, not wax u horseedo, ayee u baahantahay.

 

We will overcome this, Eebbe haduu idmo.

 

 

The always reliable, indispensable Amiin Caamir pens up in a nutshell.

[Dhabat-Amaanreer]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

quote:It is flawd and will be replaced by district based parliment in which each district in Somalia will get representatives, at the local parliment, councilors and the federal one

ya generale, if we go back to that, will we not return to "Marna Rashid marna Rizaq, waxa kale ma roote ba"?

Caku siyaasada reer Puntland, war heede gusha markad heshid ba waxaaso kale lagu hadla, tan kale waxa caloshada ku jirto banaka loma so bandhigo

 

 

Coming back to the 4.5 formula, I don't think they mean that a person is .5 of a human or anything of that sort, so lets not make this seem as if its like the 3/5th compromise. The 4.5 basically means smaller clans (in number) will not have the same seats as bigger clans, kind of like the United States House of Representatives whereby each states seat(s) is determined by its size.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

no one si told your half. It simply means they 30 seats in parliament, more then the ever had. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also you all seem agree that it is wrong, agian what formula would be right? its easy to piont fingers but can anyone come up with a better system? Also, woman are not part of the "others" MMA. Atleast 12% from each clan has to be female. sadly, the carte formula of 25% was better. that is were we should disagree with this formula but .5 makes sense to. serously, how many Bajuni and Bantu Somalis are there?

[Taako Man]

^ According to MMA the whole of kismaayo is bajuni and the outlining villages and islands. SO THAT MEANS 1 million Bajun kix kix kix LOOOOOL.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

in our march towards democracy (One man or woman, one vote), will these miniroties get less seats in parliament and the cabinet if not for this formula?

[Taako Man]

^ Hey if they are truly the population that they are they should get that kind of representation.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

no one si told your half. It simply means they 30 seats in parliament, more then the ever had. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also you all seem agree that it is wrong, agian what formula would be right? its easy to piont fingers but can anyone come up with a better system? Also, woman are not part of the "others" MMA. Atleast 12% from each clan has to be female. sadly, the carte formula of 25% was better. that is were we should disagree with this formula but .5 makes sense to. serously, how many Bajuni and Bantu Somalis are there?

Horta mid meel aan isla dhigno: I don't recognize this stooge dowlad ku sheeg, neither the damiirful, nationalist, sane Soomaalis, who are majority.

 

Now, let's talk about the formula 4.5 itself, not wax dowlada ku sheega Xabashka stoogeka u ah.

 

The so-called unarmed clans have 31 seats now, and noo, it isn't "more than ever." In shirkii Carte, they had 24, out of 225 seats. The so-called armed "major" clans had 50 in that shir.

 

In this dowlad ku sheeg, the unarmed -- "nus" -- clans have 31, out of 275.

 

So there was no substantial increase. Their numbers went up because other seats went up, and they stayed being "half" of people.

 

And not dumarka xildhibaano being part of baarlamaan ku sheega from the unarmed clans, you are gravely misinformed. Xildhibaan Fahmo Max'ed Nuur is from one of the unarmed clans. So is Khadiijo Max'ed Diiriye.

 

Dumarka 12% ayaa loo qooteeye, a given quota, from all clans, regardless which group. They too were cheated.

 

If a half-human being makes sense to you, adiga noqo, be a .50 instead of a full 1.00. Teeda kalena Jareerweyne iyo Baajuunta kaliya kuma jirto that "half-human" equation, malaayin kale qabaa'ilo kale u dhashay ku jiro this falacy-based formula.

 

Jareerweyne -- it isn't qabiil, folks, it is qowmiyad, marka ha u qaadinina inaa qabiil ka hadlaayo -- alone, iskaba dhaaf kuwa kale, have substantial percentage in those regions: Hiiraan, Bakool, Shabeelladadhexe, Banaadir, Shabeelladahoose, Baay, Gedo, Jubbadadhexe and Jubbadahoose. In fact, many degmooyin and tuulooyin in deep South, they are the majority.

[General Duke]

^^^Since Sharif Xasan was ousted, none of us belived you would continue to support this government. However noting that you live in comfort in North America, the problems of the average Somali does not impact you directly. However the majority of Somali's support this government, dont get that part twisted.

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^Since Sharif Xasan was ousted, none of us belived you would continue to support this government. However noting that you live in comfort in North America, the problems of the average Somali does not impact you directly. However the majority of Somali's support this government, dont get that part twisted.

I would say it is more like after the Xaabsade fiasco. The Sharif was the icing on the cake.

[Jacaylbaro]

Actually i'm liking the 4.5 idea ,,,,,,,, Hmmmmmm ,, sounds good to me

[Jacaylbaro]

Actually i'm liking the 4.5 idea ,,,,,,,, Hmmmmmm ,, sounds good to me

[RedSea]

HA and GD, not everyone thinks from the same basis of you folks,refering to Qabiil.

 

Folks like HA and GD support this,because both of them have dearly loved uncles of theirs as part of it.For HA,it's Huuraale,for GD it's Yeey.That is their mindset,they assume everyone is like them.

 

I gues if someone sees the wrongdoing of another,thus acts upon it,they are labeled as a qabalists.Cajiib.

[Azmaya]

LAMO at 1.0 system, couldnt said it any better walaalo. could u imagine if those crazies won, thank God they didnt public flooging iyo 4 wive systems uff, caveman age okey. this was never about religion okey, 16 years the country could not move forward cause of them, warlords to wadaads bal eega. waryada hadaan xukuun aqooniin, rabshada daafa thank you ta ta. .