Somaliland authorities are trading captured refugees in return for ammunition

[Liibaan]

Originally posted by rudy:

still ma xaafadihii aa laga hadlaa! ... whats up with short sightedness?

Adiga xaafadaa maxaa kugu diray? Get a life, orod oo shaqo yeelo

 

Wuxu caqli xumaa

[Malika]

Originally posted by Jimcaale:

 

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Originally posted by Dahia al Kahina:

Are we still yet in position to argue who is and who isn’t the best of friends with Ethiopia?

Our critical thinking level is not up to that level yet. After sixteen years of internal warfare, some of us are still obsessed with what resources their sub-jifo should shed blood for instead of their jifo jeopardizing the existence of the entire nation. God forbid, another sixteen years may be needed to have this tiny country of ten million to see the larger picture and realize the solution lies beyond what the sub-jifo must have. Contrary to popular belief, solution is found outside the box, out the box of the resource demands of the qabiil. Image qabiil figureheads with no or less demands! The country is full of so much unused resources and some much death and destruction over who controls them.

Oh well,that is the unfortunated truth but if we were ever to change our situation then we are to start thinking critically.For us to bring change it would require intellectual skills and understanding.If critically thinking is somehow to became a generalized method to solving our situation.Believe me,it would produce a new and a different Somalia/Somaliland/Puntland and all the other Somali occupied lands .Which increasingly it will not be only of individual clans interest but a necessity to our survival as a Nation and as a People.

 

Ayoub,is your head still hurting?

[RedSea]

Xiinfaniin and Soo maal,

 

 

I am looking at this with unbaised mind which says, if somaliland is going to be held liable for the problems in Sool as of today, then should we also hold Puntland for the same reason.

 

There are two sides to every story. Somaliland is a problem in sool but not all of the problem, there is Puntland which is also causing great deal of civil unrest in the region as well. If you can come forward and denounce both adminstrations fairly and give each one of them their equal share of the problems in Sool, then no problem.

 

I find it funny that you would ask me clear cut question when you yourself can't seem to blame Puntland for the problems in Sool.

 

mise meeshu waxay weeye waa tolkaygii oo markaa wiil yar oo kayimid hargeysa waxaa naga xiga mid kayimid garowe?

 

Could that be the case saxibyaal?

 

So I'd love to ask you mr. Xiinfaniin and Soo maal , taking redsea's admitance of his side's fault into account, do you also see Puntland's side of the issue...or are you simply protesting against somaliland?

[xiinfaniin]

That was a timorous response yaa Redka!

 

You are fundamentally misled about the whole thing adeer! These were peaceful clans coexisting…these clans traded stability with incompetent leaders. Now one of them decided to rock the boat…I think in the end it will be a positive thing for Somali unity!

 

As for Puntland and my stance on it, I thought I was clear on that score! Seems that you have taken my objections against separatism in your neck of the wood to mean endorsement for Cadde’s Puntland! Simply put, Puntland is corrupt, treacherous, and, in many ways, a symbol of stoogism! The idea behind it,for the most part, was a defensive measure to protect the clan groupings that inhabit it, absence of a central state. It was abused and utterly misused! And as a political entity it’s dead in my estimation. But the people [or the clan If you like] is/will be there, and may they prosper and live in peace!

 

In the context of LA conflict, you need not be mistaken adeer! No matter how one intellectualize it, it’s clear and apparent that secessionists want to secure the old British colonial border to satisfy the notion of Somaliland’s territorial integrity, a phantom country called Somaliland that is! That’s what you get when you reduce this argument to its basic premise, and it’s flawed, and wrong too, in my books!

 

Welise waad ku rafanaysaa...saadanbaadse garan…

[RedSea]

Xiinfanin,

 

Waan gartay. Waxan ufahmay kuli fitna cindul Somalidiid.

 

waar ileen anagaa wax aragnay, somaliland hadii ay ku qaldantahay xuduudihii ingriis ay soo celiso, waxay ila tahay Puntland waxay ku qaldantahay in ay xudud beleed udagaalanto, which I gues is a noble cause.

 

I am up and out,

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by AYOUB:

Caamir

You've doctored the article to spread anti-Somaliland propaganda not to highlight the plight of the suffering people of Og*den. There's no "somaliland" in the article before your special nip n tuck job. Shameless opportunism indeed!

I am not the only one who is speaking out of this reckless disregard of human rights.

 

An Abominable Act by the Secessionist Enclave

 

Ali Geeleh

Monday, October 22, 2007

 

Once again, the secessionist enclave based in Hargeisa has gone out of their way to show their total contempt for Somalis other than those who belong to the heartland of the secessionist administered area. This time, they have shamelessly traded in kidnapped innocent Somalis from the ****** in order to endear themselves to their Ethiopian masters. For them, scoring points against their equally servile competitors in Somalia and Puntland and winning Ethiopia’s favours is worth any price including human trade. These hapless Somalis were in Hargeisa believing they were safe in a Somali territory which, notwithstanding its declared secession from Somalia, would nonetheless be true to core Somali and Islamic values and which could never go so low and embark on such unspeakable act.

 

It does not require much imagination to contemplate their fate in the hands of their Ethiopian enemy. Even if innocent, they will be meted out all the same the usual cruel and barbaric treatments for which Ethiopia’s prisons are famous. Sadly, their deaths in detention are distinct possibilities. If that happens, those in Hargeisa who sanctioned this treacherous act will have blood on their hands. They would be liable to tried for treason by a future Somali government that has control over the whole country and can impose its writ everywhere unlike the current toothless TFG.

 

More than anything else, what the secessionists have done this time exposes as sham their much-vaunted claim of practising democracy, maintaining peace, observing the rule of law and respecting fundamental human rights. This hogwash was always meant for the consumption of the outside world as good selling points for promoting Somaliland’s recognition. As it is, violations of basic human rights, entailing arbitrary arrests, prolonged detentions without trail and a supine judiciary system, had been the hallmark of the administration.

 

This revolting action by the Somaliland adminstration brings back memories of similar shocking cases. The barbaric and inhuman treatment a teenage girl named Samsam has left an indelible blot on Somaliland’s image. Her misfortune was to lose her way and find herself near the residence of the “Vice President”, something bizarrely considered a crime and meriting her immediate imprisonment as a suspected spy and her subjection to gang rape by the very people who were the custodians of the rule of law- law enforcement officers. An administration that would not spare an innocent little girl is less likely to care about anyone else considered alien and deemed defenceless. But the list of wronged people goes on.

 

While equality before the law is fundamental universal human rights standard, in the case of Somaliland, those who belong to dominant secessionist clans are more equal than those who hail from minority groups who are treated as second class citizens. Visiting Somali travellers or those in transit en route for other destinations are subjected to immediate detentions or on the spot deportations for being illegally what every other Somali and the international community recognise as their own territory. But it is the ******s who are singled out as fair game and sacrificial lamps to be fed to Ethiopia or regularly detained in order to gain points with the USA in the war on terror. Not surprisingly, these grave and rampant human rights violations and abuses had drawn the stinging rebuke of the Representative for Somalia of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights

 

The Somaliland government did not even bother to go through the sham motions of bringing those kidnapped people before a court of law to face the charges against them. But that did not happen for the obvious reason that they had no case against them. As the secessionist supporting website, Somaliland.org, has reported, these men were innocent. This heinous crime could have serious consequences and may rekindle clan hostilities not to mention reprisals by the ONLF “Somalilanders” may be secessionists/Somalideed, but there are undoubtedly many decent people amongst them who would draw the line at not tolerating crimes by their administration against ordinary innocent Somalis, especially guests in their midst. It behoves them more than ever to raise their voice against this crime. Otherwise, silence can only be taken as condoning it.

 

Ali Geeleh

 

Email: Aligeeleh@yahoo.co.uk

[Paragon]

Not a new trade, really. Both entities have done so before and would do so again to please Ethiopia. Shame, really.