What are some Advantages and Disavantages of the 4.5 Formula?

[Lake]

List them...I like to know this.

[Peacenow]

This system is not the way to govern a country.

It's basically institutionalizing clan policitics. It enforces misrule.

Cabinets and Department is filled with the requisite clan formula.

The best and the most competent can't force their way in. Instead of a system of the most able it becomes a system of staffing people to fill the formula. Only in Somalia, can such a system be though off. It beggars the mind.

[Ebyan]

^^ Do you have an alternative system(other than the ICUs one clan rule) that would work?

[Taliban]

Advantages:

 

None.

 

Disadvantages:

 

The number 4.5 is odd; an even number would have made sense.

[Peacenow]

You only have to look in successful countries and see what propelled them to that position. Look closely and you will see common similarties between them.

 

The best that Somalia can hope for now is a kind of a benovalent leader. Someone with a vision. Qatar's Emir is a good example.

Who overtime, with forceful and clever education can erase the clan cancer from the people's mentality.

The ethiopian puppet in villa Somalia now, is certainly not the man for the job. His aim is to pillage and loot and will then spend what is left of his short life in a addis villa in comfort.

Whatever his supporters, in here and we know who they are, say, that is the reality.

[Ebyan]

^^ So you have no alternative? Complain away my dear.

[Socod_badne]

The 4.5 formula makes travesty of proportional representation. No sound minded Somali can support this formula any longer.

 

The case against it is two fold. First, there's this 0.5 business which flies in the face of what the 4.5 formula purports to accomplish -- justice and equality. From strictly moral standpoint, how do you justify with minorities being designated with 0.5 status. It's abominable. Then there is the situation with Puntland. As it stands Puntland is beyond the jurisdiction of TFG. It's president isn't and can't be appointed by the president of the TFG despite the TFG hand picking the leaders of various provinces/Gobols. The SAME subclan that holds the presidency in Puntland is also the same clan holding the presidency in the TFG. Essentially, all of Italian Somaliland is under the presidency of one sub-clan. Obviously, I don't need to expand on why this is unacceptable to other clans.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

We can’t please every clan, sub-clan, sub-sub-clan and so on.

 

We need men and women who are voted and chosen because of their knowledge, experience and merits, not because of his clan or sub-clan.

 

We have Somalis from all clans who are in dire need today, from north to south. We have no time to promote more clannish segregation. We need men and women who are ready to serve every Somali and have the interest of the nation in mind. The 4.5 formula is just feeding the clannish mentality the Somalis are already suffering from.

 

The TFG is profoundly mixing clan with politics.

 

The solution is to vote from eligible men from any clan. I don’t care if they all come from one single sub-sub-clan!

 

They serve me I vote for them.

 

Period!!!!

[Taliban]

Originally posted by mystic:

We need men and women who are voted and chosen because of their knowledge, experience and merits, not because of his clan or sub-clan.

 

We have Somalis from all clans who are in dire need today, from north to south. We have no time to promote more clannish segregation. We need men and women who are ready to serve every Somali and have the interest of the nation in mind. The 4.5 formula is just feeding the clannish mentality the Somalis are already suffering from.

Well said.

[Xargaga]

Checkout on this. It summarizes the way 4.5 works with the (aristrocratic tfg) or as many may cal dawladda dabadhilifka.

 

 

A Reality Check for Colonel Abdullahi Yusuf of TFG

 

 

The World has enough for everyone’s needs, but not for everyone’s greed

Mahatma Ghandi

 

Col. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, the President of the flimsy fragile Transitional Federal

Government of Somalia has recently appointed arbitrarily a number of presidential

and military portfolios. It is certainly bewilderment that the chosen, without

proper qualifications, are from the President’s immediate and distant family. By and

large, they, though lived outside of Somalia for the past two decades, are veterans

of his former armed rebel front, SSDF.

Col. Yusuf, known by majority of Somalis as a pawn and puppet of Ethiopia, is a

totalitarian and traitor by nature. He bragged, in the presence of fanatic fans

gathered in Royal Garden hotel in London week ago, that he had signed Ethiopian

occupation in Somalia prior to Meles Zenawi’s decision to launch military offensive

against Somalia.

Parachuted by Ethiopian forces, Yusuf got his life-long wish of sleeping as ‘the man

of the house’ in Villa Somalia, the last Somali dictator’s presidential palace.

When Somalia turned out to be the Iraq of Africa, as mortal shells constantly firing

out from Suuqa Xoolaha, Mogadishu’s Sadr City, the President preferred to return

back to his bunker hideout in Baidoa.

Subsequently, Col Yusuf has surrounded himself a group of in-laws and sub-sub-clan

personalities who their requirement is simply to be loyal to him. He appears to

listen to no one, but his family folks. In a nutshell, Col Abdullahi Yusuf is Col

Abdullahi Yusuf. But an indispensable question that emerges at this instant is: Does

Yusuf want to benefit his sub-sub-clansmen from acquiring Presidential Palace? Is

there no other dream behind that dream?

A Somali aphorism says, “Hal Xaaraan ah, Nirig Xalaal ah ma dhasho” which roughly

translates “A forbidden camel never gives birth to a legitimate or Halal baby.” One

object should, for sure, be irrefutable, which is inline with the conventional

wisdom that the clannish posture of Col Yusuf and his likes will never triumph over

fairness and justice.

Yusuf’s handling has debarred other Somali clans from attaining important positions

within the armed forces. It is evident that he rebuffs the basis of power-sharing

that was formed his Transitional Federal government in Kenya. Consequently, the TFG

President violated the Transitional Federal Charter again and again, and ironically

persists to breach.

Below are positions awarded based on family membership and not out of merit.

 

The recent Appointments

 

1. Kooshin Mohamed, the Somali Ambassador to the United States - Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan of ******* clan. This man is nephew of Col Yusuf.

He is a 28-year-old Seattle Grocer. According to US State Department, he has no bona

fides and he is presenting himself with all sorts of different titles he doesn’t

have. For further reference please see

http://www.aayaha.com/viewpage.php?articleid=4292

2. Gen Mohamed Sa’id Hersi (Morgan), National Security Advisor to the President –

Abdirihin sub-sub-clan of *********. He was previously a rival to Col. Yusuf, but

now is a follower of him.

3. Bashiir Iise, the newly-appointed Governor of Somali Central Bank – Iise Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. One must keep in mind that there is no central

bank in Somalia for the last 16 years.

4. Isma’iil Haji Warsame, Director of Department of Foreign Aid – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He continually prints fake Somali money from

South East Asian countries.

5. Son of Abdullahi Aynab, Cashier of the Presidential Palace – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He is the son-in-law of the interim President.

6. Omar Jamaal, 1st Secretary of Somali Delegates at the United Nations Headquarters

in New York – his identity is questionable. In Toronto, he is a Canadian citizen and

claims to be another clan. In Germany, he was a refugee and reer Hamar clan. In the

US, where he currently lives, he is a refugee of Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of

********* sub-clan and is on trial for lying US federal authorities on his identity.

7. Mohamed-Deek Abdilkadir, Director General of the Ministry of Information – Omar

Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

8. Abdirahman Ali, Director General of the Ministry of Post and Communication – Omar

Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

9. Abdishakuur Mohamud Gurey, Director General of the Ministry of Tourists – Omar

Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. His father was sub-sub-clan chief in

north Galka’o, Somalia.

10. Hussein Mohamed Mohamud, the newly-nominated spokesman of the President – Omar

Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He has no formal education. Not

surprisingly, he is the webmaster of Idamaale.com, a website which disseminates

Colonel Abdullahi Yusuf’s propaganda and odium.

11. Abdi Barre, Deputy Head of the Immigration Services – Bi’iidyahan sub-sub-clan

of ********* sub-clan. Mr Barre was Carwasher in Minneapolis, USA. He has no formal

education; no previous experience in immigration matters, but the prerequisite of

the job is an admirer of Col. Yusuf.

12. Gen Abdullahi Ali Omar (Ina-Libah-san-ka-tabte), Chief of Armed Forces –

Arab-Salah, a minority sub-clan ethnically dominated by ********* sub-clan of

******* clan. He is related to Col Yusuf by marriage.

13. Colonel Mohamed Darwish, Head of the National Security Services – Bi’idyahan

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He was promoted a Brigadier General by Col.

Yusuf.

14. Col Abdirizak Afguduud, Commander of 1st Army Brigade – Abdirihin sub-sub-clan

of ********* sub-clan. He was promoted a Brigadier General by Col. Yusuf.

15. Col Hiif Ali Taar, Commander of 3rd Army Brigade – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of

********* sub-clan. Mr Taar was promoted as a Colonel by Colonel Yusuf. He was a

Toronto Cab Driver before he allied himself with Col. Yusuf who then was President

of Puntland.

16. Gen Abdullahi Ali Mire (Areys) – Commander of 4th Army Brigade – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. Areys was promoted as a General by Colonel

Yusuf.

17. Lieutenant Joo’aar, Chief of Mogadishu Airport and Seaport – Osman Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. This man was a former leader of a group of

pirate men who used to hijack ships in Indian Ocean before the defeated Islamic

Courts forced them to flee to Northeastern regions.

18. Colonel Sa’iid Dheere, Chief of Ballidoogle Military Base and also Chief of 1st

Military Division – Iise Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

19. Hassan Ali Gidhiish, Chief of Police Forces of Middle and Lower Jubba regions –

Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

20. Aaden Ali Abdi, Head of Security, Presidential Palace and Benadir Region – Omar

Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

21. Yusuf Omar Ahmed Al-Azhari, Political Adviser to the President – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He once told me in Nairobi that ****** clan

militias murdered lots of his relatives and attempted to kill him in 1991 in

Mogadishu. From his words, he was left as deceased. He usually claims that he still

carries a bullet in his right leg from that attack. He is driven by revenge.

22. Jamal Omar, Legal Adviser to the President – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of

********* sub-clan.

23. Yusuf Mohamed Ismaa’iil (Baribari), former spokesman of the President and

currently an envoy to Brussels, Belgium – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of *********

sub-clan. According to reliable sources in the TFG, the Kingdom of Belgium declined

to host him as Ambassador.

24. Abdirashid Seed known as Qoor, Ambassador-at-large and Presidential Special

Envoy – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He has no formal education;

let alone previous diplomatic experience.

25. Dahir Mire Jibril, Chief of Staff of the Presidential Palace – Gumasoor

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He is a veteran of Colonel Yusuf’s former front,

SSDF.

26. Abdirisak Ahmed Ali, Deputy Chief of Staff of Presidential Palace – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

27. Ahmed Ali Yusuf Ahmed, the President’s Secretary – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of

********* sub-clan. He is a nephew of the President. His late father was killed in

Mogadishu in 1991.

28. Ahmed Abdullahi Yusuf – Director General of the Finance of Presidential Palace –

Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He is the second son of the interim

President. A Canadian citizen and his education: high school drop-out.

29. Yusuf Weyrah – Economics Adviser to the President – Osman Mohamud sub-sub-clan

of ********* sub-clan.

30. Hassan Ali Yusuf, Chief of Protocol at Presidential Palace – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

31. Hibo Mohammed Elmi – Public Affairs Advisor to the President – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. She has never been to Somalia for almost two

decades.

32. Hassan Ali Suleymaan, Head of Baidoa Presidential Palace – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan.

33. Abdirizak Durkun, President’s special aide – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan of

********* sub-clan.

34. Abdullahi Dhere, Head of the President’s Personal Bodyguards – Omar Mohamud

sub-sub-clan of ********* sub-clan. He is a nephew of the President.

35. Ali Ahmed Jiis – the President’s Personal Bodyguard – Omar Mohamud sub-sub-clan

of ********* sub-clan. He is a nephew of the President.

However, the International Crisis Group’s latest observation and assessment about

Somalia is compatible with this above list. In its report entitled Somalia: The

Tough Part Is Ahead, the ICG cites this passage, “Whereas the Islamic Courts drew

their support predominantly from the ****** clan, the TFG is widely perceived as

dominated by ***** clan interests. TFG leaders reinforced this perception by

pursuing policies that further alienated the ******, notably an appeal for foreign

troops. ****** alienation and TFG inadequacies left a vacuum into which the Courts

expanded between June and December 2006, bringing a degree of peace and security

unknown to the south for more than fifteen years.”

(Mohamed Ingiriis is a former associate editor of Ayaamaha newspaper in Mogadishu.

He currently reads Philosophy in Belgium)

 

 

 

By Maxamed Xaaji (Ingiriis)

Ingiriis@yahoo.com

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by nabadshe:

(Mohamed Ingiriis is a former associate editor of Ayaamaha newspaper in Mogadishu.

He currently reads Philosophy in Belgium)

What the heck is "ingriis"? And why is it important to disclose what he's reading in Belgium?