General Duke Posted November 16, 2009 ^^^That statements was done in jest adeer, you obviously are one of the brains in SOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted November 16, 2009 So for the record, which one do you believe in, of the two statements? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted November 16, 2009 ^^^lool. Faroole should concentrate on the state and not waste time with a man who controls 2KM of Mogadishu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted November 16, 2009 So, you're saying this Nairobi excursion was an exercise in futility? Is it possible that Faroole being in touch with the realities on the ground might know something you don't about why Sharif and his government are needed by Puntland at the present time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted November 16, 2009 Originally posted by Mintid Farayar: So, you're saying this Nairobi excursion was an exercise in futility? time? No the main reason that President Faroole was in Nairobi was to meet the international community, specially the man who isolated Shankaroon Mr Pain to secessionist or Congressman Payne. The rest was a few meeting with local Somali's and the Sharif Hotel gang who were not the main target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted November 16, 2009 Originally posted by Meiji: Second, As Northeastern Somalia concerns, it is no different than the other regions in Somalia and it should not behave opportunistic. Its leaders and elite are corrupted and behaving in a clannish selfish manner that goes against the General Interest of Somalis. In 2004, that corrupt and selfish-clanish elite supported the creation of the Tigre Funded Group (TFG) since the leader of that illegitimate group was one of them. That opportunistic and clannish elite have supported the artificial 4.5 clan formula to become the basis for powersharing. Along with that, they supported the idea of mini-clan states which only weaken the unity and power of Somalia. Anno 2009, when the concepts (4.5, TFG) they supported have been taken over by other men who have outplayed them they have resorted to silly threats of ''seceding'' and ''taking back their support for the TFG''. As Qanyare said: You can not claim your share via the 4.5 and the clan-state. Either the 4.5 or through clan-states. Lastly, The clannish and opportunistic elite of Northeastern Somalia (and all other groups who behave likewise) should know one thing: In the near future, Somalia will have a strong central state that is elected by Somali people and in our own country. The various regions in Somalia can exercise power limited to regional issues and in strategic area's they have to work with the central state. In no scenario will regional chieftains and clans be allowed to erode the unity and power of the nation. This means the central state is above any individual region or clan and as such must not negotiate with any individual clan or region. Central State= The Summ of All Somali Regions and its population. As such that collective insitution can not negotiate with an individual clan/region. If you really believe there will be a return to centralized rule from Mogadishu you are deluded. If you think that centralized rule is the correct way to govern Somalia in the midst of mutual distrust and complete government breakdown - you are living on cloud cuckoo land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted November 17, 2009 Originally posted by ThePoint: quote:Originally posted by Meiji: Second, As Northeastern Somalia concerns, it is no different than the other regions in Somalia and it should not behave opportunistic. Its leaders and elite are corrupted and behaving in a clannish selfish manner that goes against the General Interest of Somalis. In 2004, that corrupt and selfish-clanish elite supported the creation of the Tigre Funded Group (TFG) since the leader of that illegitimate group was one of them. That opportunistic and clannish elite have supported the artificial 4.5 clan formula to become the basis for powersharing. Along with that, they supported the idea of mini-clan states which only weaken the unity and power of Somalia. Anno 2009, when the concepts (4.5, TFG) they supported have been taken over by other men who have outplayed them they have resorted to silly threats of ''seceding'' and ''taking back their support for the TFG''. As Qanyare said: You can not claim your share via the 4.5 and the clan-state. Either the 4.5 or through clan-states. Lastly, The clannish and opportunistic elite of Northeastern Somalia (and all other groups who behave likewise) should know one thing: In the near future, Somalia will have a strong central state that is elected by Somali people and in our own country. The various regions in Somalia can exercise power limited to regional issues and in strategic area's they have to work with the central state. In no scenario will regional chieftains and clans be allowed to erode the unity and power of the nation. This means the central state is above any individual region or clan and as such must not negotiate with any individual clan or region. Central State= The Summ of All Somali Regions and its population. As such that collective insitution can not negotiate with an individual clan/region. If you really believe there will be a return to centralized rule from Mogadishu you are deluded. If you think that centralized rule is the correct way to govern Somalia in the midst of mutual distrust and complete government breakdown - you are living on cloud cuckoo land. Let him dream, young lady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites