Contempt for God?

[Johnny B]

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[Naden]

How is this decrease in faith quantified? The number of people going to church, subjective reports of believing in a God, donations to religious institutions, number of worship places, etc. How does the good Pope decide that belief is out of fashion and God disregarded?

 

Maybe the catholic church collected a few billion dollars less last year than the one before :rolleyes: . He ought to be careful. These millions of poor and oppressed Africans/Latin Americans, dropping their last bir or peso into a collection bin, may outgrow (or outwise) the after-death salvation in heaven and choose to keep their pennies.

[Castro]

Originally posted by Naden:

These millions of poor and oppressed Africans/Latin Americans, dropping their last bir or peso into a collection bin, may outgrow (or outwise) the after-death salvation in heaven and choose to keep their pennies.

Unlike Muslims, Christians believe that one cannot earn his or her salvation through prayer or giving to charity. So I never understood why the'd give up their money to collection plates or even bother to show up in church altogether. If one didn't have to pray to be saved, one really shouldn't bother.

[Khayr]

Originally posted by Naden:

How is this

decrease

in faith quantified? The number of people going to church, subjective reports of believing in a God, donations to religious institutions, number of worship places, etc. How does the good Pope decide that belief is out of fashion and God disregarded?

If you want to quantify the 'decrease in faith', just go and count where people visit the most on sundays-churches or the malls? or tally up the ever increasing divorce rates or the ever increasing phenomena of teenage, out of wedlock-pregnancies.

 

Better yet, just hit that remote control and tell me how many channels adhere to the tenants of ANY orthodox faith. Porn, slander by way of media, crime, reality t.v. (no holds barred viewing of people's private lives') is what is rampant.

 

Do the numbers: how many hours a day do you and your friends spend infront of the television and compare that to the number of hours spent on ANYTHING RELIGIION AFFLIATED? You are a good sample population and the same can be said of the kids in burco or capetown or manila etc.

 

Wisdom is the lost-property of the believer; wherever he should find it, he should recover it" (cf. Tirmidhi, lbn Majah).

I don't think that at this moment in time, that Christainty is a threat to Islam or anyone. There is a greater threat and it is one that threatens all religions. That is what the Pope is talking about.

[Naden]

Originally posted by Castro:

If one didn't have to pray to be saved, one really shouldn't bother.

Good point. If all you do to enter heaven is to accept Jesus as your saviour, why bother with the church? Hmm. Maybe 'being saved' is not a one-shot deal.

 

Originally posted by Khayr:

Do the numbers: how many hours a day do

you and your friends

spend infront of the television and compare that to the number of hours spent on ANYTHING RELIGIION AFFLIATED?

You are a good sample population

and the same can be said of the kids in burco or capetown or manila etc.

[Khalaf]

The End of Faith? Many are wondering this due to the high immorality that has been happening in the world in particular the rich industrial world. But I think this is unwarranted, because all human beings are spiritual beings always have been and always will be, because each person is born with fitra.

 

Blame the lack of religion these days on wealth, education, kibr, ect, however when a great tragedy occurs, you will see the deniers asking help: not from Jesus, Budda, Karama, or other created creatures but Allah/God Alone. As the soul is programmed: during those moments of terror and the realization of death, knowing their own immortality is near they call out to their Lord Alone “OH GOD HELP ME!â€. How do you explain that?

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by Castro:

How then do you explain the United States?

 

The exception that proves the rule. But even the US is not entirely impregnable to secularization tide sweeping through the industrialized world. Polls show more and more Americans are eschewing traditional religions for secularism and neo-paganism.

 

 

A better conclusion could have been neither education nor wealth is a very good indicator of faith, or lack thereof.

But the overall pattern across the globe emphatically shows direct corrolation between religiosity and wealth and education (# of professionals not just literate). For example, in the West the upper echelons of academia is over represented by non-believers. The poorer regions of Europe (S. Europe, Balkans etc) are more intensely religious than their well-off counterparts. HOw many countries can you come up with that are rich and at the same time benighted? Or the vice versa? Not too many.

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by Khalaf:

How do you explain that?

What's there to explain? Humans love life too much that they'd do anything to preserve it.

[Khalaf]

Originally posted by Socod_badne:

quote:Originally posted by Khalaf:

How do you explain that?

What's there to explain? Humans love life too much that they'd do anything to preserve it.

SB i think u know what i mean sxb. why do those who deny God when life is all good, call out for Gods help when things turn bad? Can u answer that?

[Castro]

Originally posted by Khalaf:

why do those who deny God when life is all good, call out for Gods help when things turn bad? Can u answer that?

Hedging.

[Socod_badne]

^Or lemming.

 

 

Khalaf,

 

Without sounding laconic, humans love life. When everything is smooth sailing, they feel no need for God.

[Faarax-Brawn]

Benedict, on the second day of a visit to his native Bavaria, said that spreading the word of Jesus Christ was more important than all the emergency and development aid that rich churches like those in Germany gave to poor countries

Now thats food for thought.

 

Outrageous,ungodly if you must.

[Nur]

Socod Badane in his default state writes:

 

humans love life. When everything is smooth sailing, they feel no need for God.

 

 

Now Socod Badane is speaking from his inner Default settings ( By His Creator, Allah) , when he perfectly agrees with the following verse of Quraan in Surah Al Zumar 8:

 

{وإذا مس الإنسان ضر دعا ربه منيباً إلليه اً }

 

Meaning:

 

" When mankind is visited by a hardhsip, he calls upon his Lord supplicating, subdued and repenting to him ," Which is the default state of mankind, every person in distress with no apparent help on the way will resort to God, according to the above verse in Quraan, now let us see the reaction of this helpless person once he/she is out of danger and in prosperity

 

 

ثم اذا خوله نعمة منه نسي ما كان يدعوا اليه من قبل و جعل لله أندادا

 

Meaning, Afterwards, when (his Allah responds to his call and alleviates his hardship) and prosperity results(in the place of hardship), (Mankind) forgets his original distress call, and instead, he makes equals for Allah in (importance when it comes to his attention and obedience)

 

Nur