bilan Posted December 29, 2003 salaam you are welcome guys, i'm glad it helped you lakkad,from what i heard scholars refuse to answer questions that are build on what if so and so happens.i do not know why are we still arguing about this issue,these are clear hadiths and as muslims we have no options but to follow them. Allah knows what is good for his religion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted December 29, 2003 Originally posted by Lakkad: ^^ When i said lets stone em i didnt mean to like jst go and LYNCH the folks..no of course not! You have to be proffen guilty by a law of court like you said, but is there a true islamic state? governd by the sharia, except maybe for the KINGDOM?...so what if some missionary comes and starts apostating some poor ppl?, and say awhole village leaves islam, are jsut gonna stand by and say oh well theres no islamic court? Btw am not asking this Q's am pondering!...but yea good analysis I understand your point walaal. But in Somalia people are just taking the law into their own hands - they're killing people at random and no body even knows the reason behind it. Some say its politics and now christian groups are claiming that it's because of religion. My point is - the person has to be aware of the reason that they are being killed....they need to be aware of the sin they are being punished for.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gediid Posted December 31, 2003 Check this out....Ma run baa mise waa riyo A response to Somalis Infuriated By Religious Persecution Claims I read Somalis Infuriated By Religious Persecution Claims, with great disbelief. I am not sure where Ali Halni, the writer of the article I am responding to, was when twelve Somali Christians were murdered for their faith in Mogadishu from 1994-1996. Many of these Somali Christians were well-known and honorable citizens. Their only fault was their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am writing this response with great knowledge and experience. I was pastoring the house church in Mogadishu in which the murdered saints belonged to—I was their pastor and they were my flock. Ali Halni and the Somali Sheiks he quotes are simply in denial—there are thousands of Somali Christians in Somalia and I know many of these underground believers who cannot show their faith in public for fear of their faith. To say that there are not Somali Christians in Somalia is a shameful claim. It was in 1994 when the severity of the persecution against the Somali Christians skyrocketed. Somali Muslims lashed out against a small house church in Mogadishu where I was co-pastoring. Liibaan Ibraahim was the first Christian martyr. He was shot to death one early morning when he was reporting to work. He was a nurse by training. Dr. Ahmed Gobe was next Somali Christian to be murdered. He was shot one evening when he was returning from his clinic. His bullet-ridden body was found the next morning. Another member of our underground church who was martyred was Mohammed Haji. He was a former university professor who was educated in Canada. Mohammed was rebuilding the school system in Mogadishu that suffered under the civil war. He was then kidnapped and assassinated by Somali Muslim fanatics. Another Somali Christian to be murdered was the famous Sheekh Doon. He and his wife were shot and killed in their bedroom in KM.4 area when some gunmen had broken into their home one night. Their children escaped physical harm. Another Somali Christian member, Saleebaan Mohammed, was snatched from the bus he was riding home from work and was executed publicly in broad day light near Mogadishu University. The Islamists who committed this horrible murder held a long sermon over Saleban’s body chronicling how he supposedly misled many Somalis by converting them to Chrsitainity! Only two members of our underground church in Somalia, have survived the carnage, myself and another believer. The murderers are still roaming in the streets of Mogadishu with impunity. The local authorities are not holding them responsible but the Lord will. Neither denial nor persecution will destroy the Somali Church. Our risen Lord, Jesus Christ, is her Protector and he will make sure that the gates of hell will not prevail her. The Islamic scholar, Youssef Torhami, is not a spokes person for the Somali Church. His challenge to the Barnabas Fund “to come up with a trace of a single Somali Christian citizen in Somalia” is simply unrealistic at the best and malicious at the worst; who will guarantee the security of that single Somali Christian in lawless Somalia? However, I am a Somali Christian leader and I am willing to meet you--drop me a line if you are serious. God has accepted those martyrs into His glorious Kingdom of Heaven. They were faithful to Jesus Christ and to His Testimony until the end. As Jesus said in the Book of Revelation chapter 2, “Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.” May God grant that those murderers will come to see the light that Jesus Christ is Lord, may they ask Jesus Christ to forgive them of their sins, or they will burn and suffer eternally in the lake of fire, the second death. For God alone has power over the second death. Peace & Milk Brother Warsameh Evangelist Somali Christian Fellowship bwarsameh@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted December 31, 2003 Is this a true story.... all i say to this is, Somalia is not a christian country, but Ethopia and Kenya is, they should preach there. if they come to somalia with this kind of stuff, then they are killing themselves. christian martyrs, Do the they believe in martyrdom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SomeAlien Posted January 3, 2004 ^^^thats a lil unfair walal, how do you know they were even preaching to muslims and not to their congregation? or even if they are born christians or not? and Issa was a martyr and i think emulating him is the main point in christianity... or is it world domination? it gets confusing sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites