A sincere challenge to all the Anti-TFG out t lot out there in SOL land!

[NASSIR]

^The president will be gone just like his predecessors, but we have to give chance to the TFG and see how things go. Somalis will never stop the blame game.

[Caano Geel]

Point.

First of all i dont think it as day dream, maybe a pipe dream .

 

The basic point.

there no somali can be said to have suffered more than another - we have all been on the recieving end of the predetory behaviour of these theives.

 

Now, the majority of the successful trails that have taken place have been optimistic, (south africa, chilli, ireland, romania next year wrt to the communists ....) The aim is not just necessarily punishment, but recognistion.

 

By recognising the infighting between these men was directly responsible for the current state, we are:

1. Learning from the experience

2. Addressing the grievances of the people they have effected.

3.Drawring a real line under the saga rather than justifying it as a means to an end - an end which is disgraceful at that.

 

The practicality:

If we, that includes we -including YOU, are willing to say that these men are responsible for the actions that were carried out under their orders/names, then every one faces the same rule. This means that every death-lord is bought in front of a jury consisting of the somali peers and interogated of their actions and the charged placed against them, and asked to justify their actions, made to publically apologise, stripped of their privilages and sent home - if their clan or what ever wishes to judge as heroes and place accalades on them, fine, but the nation doesn't.

 

So i think making every one subject to the same law and applying would convince people, and if dont appear we charge them and name them as cowards for not having the moral strength to take responsability for their actions.

 

- As for a law, the Belgian law is most internationally progressive one wrt human rights that i know off, so ist good enough for me .

 

G

They are tame because their former enamies have more arms now. Not because they have any respect for the system. As was written before, the best description of Somali politics is a zero sum game, some always gets fcked. And they will wait or try to bring about their turn to do the same.. u dont need examples. So lets not treat the Bush-Zenawi regime as a disinterested/benevolent party.

 

Caamir

Caamir, the b astards have made all of us refugees, and killed enough of our relatives and friends over the years - so as you can imagine,

i've always hated the b astards, and i apologise that i wasnt loud enough about it on this forum before.

 

wrt US policy in somalia, with that reasoning, you also justify Iraq, If the us attacks Iran, your statement justifies it and applied universally - because i assume you are interested in the best outcome for somalia and not any particular party, that statement basically justifies any other action in which a protagonist declares a threat imagined or real.. The only thing that matters in their declaration - to hell with law, reason, evidence, and responsability. I'm sorry, but such a world is called anarchic and i don't want it - in fact please list for me who what countries support the US action.

 

Now your reasoning wrt professor Samatar remark, i think is interesting. For one, you chose to pick 1 action over all the possible and real actions in a the 17 year mania of somalia. Two, you picked an action which was on the back of a hightened ethiopian activity in somalia.

 

Now i dont intend to justify suicide bombings, but you cannot remove that action from the contex. Further, given the number of 'mad mullahs' are professed to be in somalia, At the height of their power, we experienced one such action.

 

So do you not think when you say that 'reality speaks other wise', your defining reality in terms of 1 action. If we were hiding leagions of suicide bombers, then why wernt there more attempts at the very least.

 

Next look at the support for the ICU, in this forum if nothing else, and question why.

 

Do you think we are all Indha-cade's second cousins, oe we like death and destruction or that we believe a wahabi interpretation of sharia to best our ideal law of governance, or just plain dumb and we dont see the big picture.

 

On the contarary, we see the big picture, and we have a different interpretation. We disagree with the basis of formation and the people in the TFG.

 

Let me ask you what 'tribal elder' represented you, what interests did they profess for you, did they say something about the your education, your childrens, your health, your rights, or did they discuss dhulka iyo maalka ey iyaga xakumaan?

 

So lets not give the deathlord(s) a chance, lets ask him how many people were killed because of his power strugles, how many were maimed, how does he feel about that, why did he give those orders, then throw the barely litterate b astard to the wind. We have legions of better eductated people with sense of of humanity and a vision beyond their title that could step up to the place and we could have respect for.

[NASSIR]

Caano Geel, I apologize should you take it that I was making a mockery of the silence of your voice as a seal of approval during the reign of the warlords in Mogadisho and the Deep south.

 

"Let me ask you what 'tribal elder' represented you, what interests did they profess for you, did they say something about the your education, your childrens, your health, your rights, or did they discuss dhulka iyo maalka ey iyaga xakumaan?"

 

 

No they didn't, but there is no gainsaying the warlords held our society as their hostage for the last 16 years and they all do share the blame of the calamity that befell on our people altho I deeply beleive Somalia's collapse or degenration into this status next to irreversible damage was the effect of a long-standing malicious scheme. From the time of Scientific Socialism to SNA's invasion of that strip of land in Ethiopia, our country and its economic system and our people's moral obligation to their country were on a swift decline due to a deep seated wedge that rests on nepotism and corruption created by the old regime instead of stepping between groups at variance, and the external meddling of our affairs.

 

 

I am also aware of Abdullahi Yusuf as the Jean Martinet of Somalia, the more fanatic drillmaster France had ever seen during the reign of King Louis. We might digress here to investigate how far the current presidnet of Somalia could be implicated in the alleged killings of civilians caught at the cross fire between him and his contenders.

However, Abdullahi was not a man who would install road blocks and raid one clan unceasingly , but he is a man who values a system or the philosophy of governing a country. Puntland is a case in point. His further pursuit to become a Somali president attests to the evidence that he stood for his principle since he rebeled against the last regime. More importantly, he is, to a great extent and with enthusiasm, willing to stabilize Mogadisho and build up an adminstration that caters to the needs of the public.

 

I give paramount importance to the stability of the country.