Should the People Submit to the TFG?

[DigibAc]

The TFG has the firepower of Ethiopia and the USA and they have shown they will use it.

 

Should the people fight them or just submit and hope for mercy?

 

If the Nation submits to them and tries to work from within the TFG we might actually have peace.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by DigiTalbAct3ria:

Should the people fight them or just submit and hope for mercy?

Shouldn't Muslims submit and hope for mercy only from Allah? Are you asking us to worship humans? :confused:

[Abwaan]

Should Somalia submit to murderous warlords and dictators and their mo or yaa ns? I don't think so. Let Somalis decide what they want.

[DigibAc]

Let me ask you this Taliban and Abwaan,

 

If the TFG fails, will we remember it as a defeated enemy or a missed opportunity to unify our people?

 

I think we might remember it as a missed opportunity.

[Allamagan]

Guys, give peace a chance!

COMPROMISE is the key here.

[raadamiir]

The TFG is here to stay, Its going to rule with an iron fist cause thats what Somalia needs at the moment.

 

ps: The Somali people don't seem to know or understand whats good for them, this Government is going to show them the way.

[Xoogsade]

I don't think people should submit to the TFG. Read below and just think about what is to come in the future if Reer Muqdisho let these immoral Men of the TFG get stronger.

 

Maxaabiis jawaano madaxa loo soo galiyay oo laga soo dajiyay garoonka Muqdisho

 

Mogadishu 27, Jan.07 ( Sh.M.Network) Ilaa 23 ruux oo laga soo qabtey dalka Kenya oo la sheegay in ay gacan saar la lahaayeen golihii maxkamadaha islaamka Somalia ayaa maanta laga soo dajiyay magaalada Muqdisho.

 

Afhayeenka dowladda Somalia C/raxmaan Diinaari oo ragga wararka fidiya kula hadlay magaalada Muqdisho ayaa sheegay in garoonka Muqdisho ay ka soo dageen ilaa 23 maxaabiis ah kuwaasi oo uu sheegay in ay ku jiraan xubno ka tirsan maxkamadaha islaamka, isagoo sheegay in aanu si rasmi ah u sheegi karin magacyadooda iyo da'dooda balse marka baaritaano lagu sameeyo ay gadaal ka soo sheegi doonaan.

 

Laakiin Ilo xagga amaanka ah oo ku sugan garoonka diyaaradaha ayaa u sheegay Shabelle in tirada dadka maxaabiista ah ee maanta laga soo dajiyay ay gaarayaan 32 ruux, oo kala ah 6 caruur ah, 10 dumar ah iyo 16 rag ah, kuwaasi oo marka diwaaradda laga soo dajinayay ay u xirnaayeen garba duub, iyadoo jawaano madaxa loo soo galiyay.

 

Horey ayaa dowladda SOmalia loogu wareejiyay Maxaabiis kale oo dowladda Kenya ay ku soo masaafurisay magaalada Muqdisho, iyadoo si rasmi ah aan loo ogeyn halkii la geeyay.

 

Diinaari mar waxa laga weydiiyay halka ay ku dambeeyaan raggaasi ayaa waxa uu sheegay in arinkaasi saxaafadda aan loo ogoleyn in ay wax ka ogaato, waxaana uu tilmaamay in dowladda ay gacanta ku heyso raggaasi.

 

 

 

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Who does that to kids nd women? This can't go on without a challenge. The sooner people rise up against these thugs the better for their future Wallahi.

[DigibAc]

Xoogsade, you make a very good point.

 

How does the TFG (a government based on clans) expect to reconcile the Somali Nation when it’s putting people into jawaano?

[Taliban]

Originally posted by DigiTalbAct3ria:

If the TFG fails, will we remember it as a defeated enemy or a missed opportunity to unify our people?

Before the Ethiopian invasion (with the help of the US and the collaboration of the TFG), Somalia was united and peaceful under the rule of the ICU. Answering your question, if the TFG fails, we will remember it as the entity that caused invasion, the killing of thousands innocent Somalis and the rape of Somali girls/women by Ethiopian invaders/occupiers, disunity, insecurity, the return of warlords (already underway), iwm. Before the ICU, the US, the UN, current and previous transitional governments, and numerous reconciliation conferences failed to unify Somalis and restore peace to Somalia. The ICU succeeded to do that; there was no need to break what was already fixed.

[Xoogsade]

Originally posted by DigiTalbAct3ria:

Xoogsade, you make a very good point.

 

How does the TFG (a government based on clans) expect to reconcile the Somali Nation when it’s putting people into jawaano?

This is exactly why Muqdisho residents aren't happy with A/Y's mob who descended on them to kill as many of them as they can. The sooner these clans pick up the gun and fight for their right the better for them. Their peace was destroyed, their honour violated by Xabashi troops they always opposed and their life made miserable, and now live full of fear. A/Y never showed any respect for them from day one he was eleceted by the warlords.

 

Reer Muqdisho should defend their honour, life and religious freedoms from men who came far away and don't give a hoot about them. Men who are happy to burn people's homes while their clansmen's homes are safe and prospering, Men who used Xabashi troops against them to subjugate them.

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Xoogsade:

 

 

Reer Muqdisho should defend their honour, life and religious freedoms

from men who came far away and don't give a hoot about them

. Men who are

happy to burn people's homes while their clansmen's homes are safe

and prospering, Men who used Xabashi troops against them to subjugate them.

Xoogsade-

 

I stopped responding to you long ago when you tried looking for an exit strategy on a U.N report of Indhacade's drug farms around Buulomareer, but this is something I need to question.

 

What about Cali Maxamed Gheedi? Is he not the prime minister? Does he not have the same blame as Abdulahi Yusuf? What about Hussein Aydiid and the others? Where are they from? Are the Somali TFG forces in Xamar not majority composed of Xamar based clans?

 

Ninyaho uurkaad ka jiran tahaye sida isku dhaan. I have respect for people like Rahima because she stands up for her what she believes irrespective of clan. To an individual like her, the TFG is an entity she cannot support soley based on her principles. That is raganimo; something you lack as a man and she has as a woman (no pun intended). Ninyaho sida isku dhaan ficil qabiileedkaan iska bixi.

 

The same thing could have been said about the ICU and the same evidence could have been derived from the constant public disturbances and unhappiness during the ICU's control over Kismaayo, but you know what? Not once did you see me blame the ICU as a whole, nor the respectable people in there because I saw a difference in a hothead like Indhacade as opposed to a genuine individual such as Sheikh Sharif. The structure of the ICU would not have allowed it to be blamed as group but the structure of the TFG does not allow it to be blamed individually. Everything in the TFG is interrelated.

 

Stand up for your beliefs and oppose the TFG as a whole based on your principles instead of coming here lament about a section of it simply because they are not from your clan. This TFG as far as I am concerned is in the same big bed. Either they are all worthy of our opposition and criticism or they are all worthy of our support and confidence. Wax ka dhaxeeyso intaasu ma jirto.

[Pi]

Hornafrique, dude, alot of people in the politics section baa cuqdadaysan oo xanuunsan. Xoogsade is no different. But he does display a more cancerous form of tribalism. Even clannism has degrees.

 

The politics section is good for one thing. It reveals the inferiority complex and pyschological ineptitude that many people have. You'd never know this by reading what someone posts in the women's section or general section. Maxaan dad kala bartay. LOL

[Gabbal]

^Heck Abdirahman Diinaari, the TFG press secretary who seems to be the most high profile press secretary, ever is from Dayniile, Xamar.

 

How possible is it to insult and degrade a whole section of Somalis because of one person when everyone else is from your area? Now that is cancerous tribalism if you ask me.

[mwafrica]

Salaam aleikum my dear brothers and sisters.

 

I am from Kenya, but I just wanted to contribute my 2 cents to this particular discussion...

 

 

Oil, Not Terrorists, the Reason for US Attack On Somalia

http://allafrica.com/stories/200701220368.html

 

The Nation (Nairobi)

OPINION

January 22, 2007

Posted to the web January 22, 2007

Wanjohi Kabukuru

Nairobi

 

JUST WHY DID THE US ATTACK Somalia two weeks ago? Of course, the answer given for the US military intervention and the generally accepted notion is the hunt for terrorists. But is it?

Are terrorists the only bone of contention the US has with Somalia? When the US military devised "Operation Restore Hope" in 1993 which was short-lived after they were whipsawed by rag-tag militia in and around Mogadishu, were they fighting the 'war on terror'?

 

They couldn't have been because this war was to start much later. If anything it is a post-Sept 11 phenomenon. So then why did the US bomb ICU extremists in the name of Al Qaeda terrorists and not throughout last year when they occupied Mogadishu?

 

Just why is Somalia so important to the US, and by extension the big boys of Europe and some Gulf states?

 

A UN Somalia Monitoring Group report released in November 2005 reveals that a dozen countries, namely Yemen, Djibouti, Libya, Egypt, Kazakhstan, Ethiopia, Iran, Syria, Eritrea, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Uganda were all poking their noses into the Somalia pie.

 

What the UN Somalia Monitoring Group didn't

reveal, however, is that these were not the only countries which were interested in the country.

The little known yet well-heeled contact group, consisting of Norway, the US, UK, France and Tanzania (just an appendage) are also deeply enmeshed in Somalia.

 

While the terrorism theory holds some water, the reality of the factors contributing to the mess in Somalia is pegged on natural resources. Oil and gas are Somalia's Achilles heel. It is an open secret that four US oil giants are sitting pretty on money-spinning concessions expecting to reap huge windfalls from massive resources of both oil and gas in Somalia.

 

The story of Somalia and oil goes back to the colonial period. British and Italian geologists first identified oil deposits during that period of imperialism.

 

The first oil wells historically referred to as the Daga Shabell series were dug in the 1960s. Tiny gas discoveries adjacent to Socotra were also noted..

 

The race for these precious natural resources took a new turn in 1988, when the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the World Bank, with the support of the governments of Britain, France and Canada and backed by several Western oil companies financed a regional hydrocarbon study of the countries bordering the Red Sea and the Gulf of Eden.

 

The countries were Somalia, Ethiopia and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia was later dropped, but not before it had been established that within the study area, massive deposits of oil and gas existed.

 

The results of the findings were presented to a three-day American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Eastern Hemisphere group conference, in London in September, 1991. Is there oil in Somalia?

 

Listen to the answer:

 

"It's there. There's no doubt there's oil there," said geologist Thomas E. O'Connor, the World Bank's principal petroleum engineer, who steered the in-depth, three-year study of oil prospects in Somalia's Gulf of Eden in the northern coastal region.

 

The study was intended to encourage private investment in the petroleum potential of eight African nations. The conclusions of their findings are quite telling as the geologists put Somalia and Sudan at the top of the list of prospective commercial oil producers.

 

While presenting their results during the conference, two geologists involved in the study (an American and an Egyptian) reported that the investigation of nine exploratory wells dug in Somalia pointed out that the region was "situated within the oil window, and thus (is) highly prospective for gas and oil."

 

Geologist, Z. R. Beydoun, who was involved in the survey, noted that "the geological parameters conducive to the generation, expulsion and trapping of significant amounts of oil and gas" were within the offshore sites. Soon after a race for lucrative deals kicked off in earnest.

 

Four US oil companies, namely Conoco, Chevron, Amoco and Philips have concessions in nearly two thirds of Somalia. This quartet of oil conglomerates was granted these contracts in the final days of Somalia's deposed dictator, Siad Barre. The US first military engagement in Somalia was fully supported by Conoco.

 

Mr Kabukuru is a Nairobi-based freelance journalist

[DigibAc]

Horn and Pi, the clannish thinking is not something we can wish away. A good way to defeat it is to undermine it. The TFG needs to show by its actions (for example by sending the foreign troops home) that it does not seek to subjugate any particular clan.

 

What are the men with the jawaano over their heads to do? Who do they seek help from? If the only people that will listen to their plea for assistance are their clansmen, then we can't fault them for being clannish.