SSH Is Part Of Somali.

[Gediid]

Che,turns out we do have some very logical people in here.Thanks bro for pointing out the futulity of conducting a meaningless argument of Anaa Kaa iyo Anaa Kaa.

 

At least in Somaliland authorities talk of an all inclusive nation with several different ethnic groups yet Puntland seems to drift towards an alliance based solely on clan lines.We in Somaliland have tried to steer away from a clan based political entity to one built on party lines as evident in the elections that took place recently.We will continue to strengthen that position by holding the final phase of that process by holding the parliamentary elections within this year Insha Allah but Puntland's existence is one where its leadership is hell bent on creating a more "tribalised" society made up of only 3 clans of the same family and here we have educated people hopelessly arguing its case trying to paint a rosy picture where there's none to show for.I sure as hell would support them if they branched out and reached to the other half of Galkacyo to at least portray a semblence of a multi enthic nation but that in itself is a dream.In this intricate web of events its really hard to clearly ascertain who's right or wrong but it all boils down to who presents their ideas in a civilised manner.Somaliland a multi ethnic nation or Puntland a nation of 3 families...Take your pick....

[NinBrown]

Geedid bro u r making me lough.......i dont know where you read or hear your stories from...but the stuff you is based in a vacuum and unrealistic.

you want the somalia ppl to believe the Sland is not based on tribe while Pland is based on tribe.

For your information...and most other somalis and Slanders would verify this..that Pland is more diverse tribal affliation than Sland.

And for your benifit Galkacyo city is one of the most ethnically mixed town is somalia maybe with the exception of Mogadishu.

check out the facts bro.....

[mojam]

"have you ever been to laascaanood or buuhoodle or even eastren and southren sanaag? be honest"

 

Yes I have. After that declaration posted by

SmithNwestern is signed by my uncle... He went to a Hargeisa jail for going to the Arta peace talks. You can guess who I am talking about if you know as much as you know about SS&H as you claim to know. And to be honest, i haven't been there lately.

 

You say you have spoken to the people who live in this region but I am sure you haven't talked to all 600 000 of them.

 

The point i'm trying to make here is that not everyone or 99.9% of people have the same opinion. Such figures exist only in Barre's Somalia where 99% vote for him. What you should do is say your opinion but you can't talk for other people that isn't fair to them, now is it?

[Gediid]

Nino

Waar bal addunkan eega.Nino waar saaxiib miyaad qayileysey when you posted the hasty reply.Puntland runs only thru half of Galkacyo does not extend to the Southern part of that city.It extends to as claimed by Puntlanders to E.Sanaag and Sool.Let me see intaas yaa ku nool.....Ma Chinese baa soo degey intii aan wadanka ka soo maqnaa.Isn't that the classic case of aryan tribal nation.I just wish Abdillahi Yusuf iyo reer Puntland would at least add a little more spice to the pot cuz intan waa bilaa dhadhan.

[mojam]

correction

 

After all that declaration posted by

SmithNwestern is signed by my uncle...

[Baashi]

Gediid is right in implying PL-ers are a collection of clans from same ancestory. He is also right about Galkacyo of being divided city.

 

This corner of Somalia is a recovery zone where citizens share geography, ancestory, and desire to be in peace. In their 'finite' wisdom, they created a political entity based on consent of its citizens. They see a future of Somalia on the horizon and they committed to be a part of federal states of Somalia when and if it emerges. One third of Galkacyo didn't wish to be part of PL and PLers respected the wishes of their neighbors in exchange of peace and stability. That is a good thing.

 

Gediid, u are also right that Somaliland borders encompases diverse clans. But u are wrong if u thought that all these clans are for seceding from Somalia Or all of them are part of the Hargeisa administration. What the secessionist fail to envision is the cardinal rule that the wishes and aspirations of vocal minority can not be imposed to the silent majority without completely defeating and subjugating them. As there is no way of acheiving that...Secessionist are reduced to make unsubstantiated claims.

[Gediid]

Baashi said

What the secessionist fail to envision is the cardinal rule that the wishes and aspirations of vocal minority can not be imposed to the silent majority without completely defeating and subjugating them. As there is no way of acheiving that...Secessionist are reduced to make unsubstantiated claims.

 

We seem to agree on almost all but the point above seems to deviate from that path.I thought along the lines of Somaliland being the wishes of the majority but you have it the other way round..Why if I may Ask Baashi.

[Baashi]

Gediid,

Let me elaborate...in terms of the tribal ratio Puntlanders and Awdal residents are a minority in the former british colony according to the records. The majority in SL are loyal to the Hargeisa administration. But when it comes to the secession...the majority are not fanatic or chauvinistic about it...they are content the peace and the stability they have and they are proud of the progress they've acheived so far. The residents of Burco, for instance, didn't celebrate 18th may according to Jamhuuriya due to the contested election. I used the word 'vocal minority' to refer the folks from the diaspora (like u) as well as the elite class in Hargeisa/Berbera area.

[Gediid]

Baashi

I will let you in on a national secret.Every government in Somaliland so far from Tuur to Egal and now Riyaale all had one thing in common and that is their aspirations to see a united Somalia but the one force they are scared sh!tless of is the wrath of the people if and when they dare utter that dreaded word Somaliweyn.I guess thats how people's power works but trust me our leaders intentions have never been hidden from us.Those morons know they are safe so long as they sing our tunes and dance to our beats.We expect those jerks to maintain what has been achieved thus far till the orphans who grew up in the refugee camps are old enough to be the leaders of tommorrow.

So Baashi its not a vocal minority as you would think but that silent majority that we follow.

[Baashi]

Gediid,

Thanks for confiding that secret in... U could be right but I beg to differ and say the 'silent majority' sing the 'vocal minority's' tunes and they regrettably dance their music. The media is not in the hands of the 'majority' but in the hands of a few elite group.

 

Would u agree with me that both (SL and PL) administration and their subjects are vulnerable to negative triblism.

 

The civil wars in Somaliland (94/96) and the one in Puntland in 02/03 were fought along clan lines...right? Now! Let me assert that the aspirations (namely secession) of the silent majority in SL are not as strong as their loyalty to their respective clans. Preview of that movie is being shown in that region in the run up of the elections and the aftermath dispute that followed.

 

In PL's Yusuf...subjects are under his iron rule...there are no dissidents in the region due to the fear of presecution. That should tell us where we stand and how triblism is alive and well...it has been institutionalized in both regimes.

 

Sxb waa inoo beritoole...scw

[guraad]

Here is open letter written by some one who repping` of people of hawd , sent from hawd`s new capital buuhoodle here it goes:-

__________________________________________________

 

An Open Letter to the British Foreign Secretary, Hon. Jack Straw regarding former Colony of Northern Regions in Somalia. "the question of the separatist Somaliland region...."

by Buuhoodle.net 27.06.03

Dear Sir,

 

This is a reply to an open letter dated December 24, 2002, by Mr. Jim Davidson, who is the president of the Somali Free Port Services in Awdal region, which is part of North Region of Somalia. Mr. Davidson is an advocate for the secessionist principles of the Somali warlords in the north, to safeguard his personal interest. It is peculiar and unbelievable for a foreign citizen to write to another country and ask them to recognize the sovereignty of a third country. This is reminiscent to the case where the US Congress have recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and passed a rule binding the White House to recognize the capital city of another state, despite the denial of the international community.

 

It is true that that for the last ten years, the north region of Somalia was relatively calm. However, the civil societies in African communities do not normally participate in anything determining their fate. Because of the tribal structures, the people in the north region consist of several tribes. These are *********** , Warsangeli, **** , Samaron and Issa.

 

The late Mohamed Ibrahim Egal, who was the last Prime Minister of a democratically elected Somali government, had worked harmoniously with the military government. He held several senior positions in that government. He had never called for a separate state in the north regions. In a press conference in Hargiesa, in June 2001, Mr. Igal clearly acknowledged that he was not President of a State, but a governor of central part of the north region, as there is no infrastructure and the GDP to support a state is non-existent.

 

It is true that free people determine their own fate. Great Britain granted independence to this region on June 26, 1960, under the impression that the region was a part of greater Somalia. The late Bevin Plan, proposed by the British Government after the Second World War to the governments of the Allied forces, to unify Somalia under Her Majesty’s rule for the 10 years of the trusteeship should also be taken into account. At that the time, Her Majesty’s government took the will of the Somali people into account. Unfortunately, when the UN halted the plan, Great Britain designated the Hawd area, which is the present Eastern Region of Ethiopia, as a part of Ethiopia territory.

 

Since independence and unification of the south and north regions, the successive governments, civilian and military, went into war with Ethiopia, in an effort to regain the Hawd area. Although Somalia won both wars, it lost them morally, when the eastern and western blocks had assisted Ethiopia.

 

Following the withdr**** of the Somali forces from Eastern Ethiopia in 1978, several military mutinies sprang across Somalia. The movements camouflaged with nationalistic songs won people’s heart. Supported by the late USSR and the socialist Ethiopian government at that time, the country entered into a period of anarchy and horrible civil war, which eventually caused the collapse of the central government in January 1991. During the civil war, the civilians were victimised and they paid a lot. Many people were killed by the rebellions, both public and private properties were destroyed or looted, and the already weak national economy was devastated. It is the tribal movements that caused the anarchy across Somalia.

 

In the north region, in 1991, the yesterday’s allies fought bitter wars, but they were eventually forced to come to common terms and established a regional government. However, the authority collapsed several times and broke into fiefdoms. Thousands of people were massacred in Hargeisa, Berbera ad Borama. National properties were confiscated by tribal chiefs, and this had been going on for several years until 1996, when Mr. Igal, who was in exile to UAE, had returned to the country. Mr. Igal, who headed the two Peace Conferences that were held in Djibouti in 1991 and 1992, realized that the people in the south required a long time to exhaust their resources and then come to their senses. He was persuaded by some of his tribesmen to join the political movements in the north region. Mr. Igal was able to bring a relative peace to the region, as he allied with tribal chiefs, and was able to deprive the deadly weapons from the warlords and their militias.

 

Today, the world is heading to globalisation. Over 25 European countries have untied under the umbrella of EEC and African countries have formed the UAS. Therefore, it is unreasonable to divide a small country like Somalia, inhabited by only 5 million people into twenty small governments, as each tribe is calling for a separate state. Your Excellency, Great Britain consists of Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England and it is unthinkable to divide that country into four separate states.

 

Since 1991, the warlords have created Punt Land, Somali Land, Bay Land, Juba Land and Hiran Land. The only area where there is no declaration of a regional state is Mogadishu, and this was not possible, as the people that live in the capital do not belong to the same tribe. The Somali people including the warlords and tribal chiefs are not yet politically conscious. While the interest of any ethnic group can be safeguarded under the federal system, which is an option, they believe that once they declare a regional government, the region is a separate state, with full sovereignty, and call himself as the “President”, a word, which, the warlords are haunted.

 

The United Nations and the international community attempted to help the Somali people to establish a unified central government. Unfortunately, more than 13 conferences attended by the warlords had all failed. The warlords were unable to reach any consensus among them. Instead, civil strife had escalated between allied warlords and even the people from the same tribe. It appears that the international community do not understand the tribal structure of the Somali people. Therefore, the efforts of the major international players of the Somali political affairs are so far disappointing. The warlords were given many chances to stabilise the country, but when they have realised that there was no light at the end of the tunnel, the international community gave up.

 

In 1998, the government of Djibouti invited all Somalis to attend a peace conference in Arta, under the auspices of the UN Security Council and the Secretary General, Mr. Kofi Anan. The conference brought a dim hope for the first time in 10 years. That conference could be considered successful, as all tribes including the people in the north were fully represented. When the warlords had discovered that their personal interests were not observed, they boycotted the conference. Nevertheless, the Transitional National Government (TNG) was formed, however, the regional governments were successful to derail the whole mission.

 

It is true that the economy of the north region has been growing, however, this is not true in the north regions only, but the economy of the country has drastically changed over the last ten years.

 

There are more than eight airlines serving across Somalia, for the first time in the Somali history. Seaports along the 3,000 kilometers of the coast have prospered. The cities, which have international airports, are Bosaso, Hargiesa, Mogadishu, Baydhaba, Belet Weyne, and Kismayo. Although these airports are poorly equipped with limited aeronautical navigation system, they operate under the control of the regional authorities.

 

With regard to the telecommunications, in addition to the cities and towns, the services have reached the villages in the countryside. There are more than 16 different companies providing this service across the country. Foreign companies, in collaboration with the local businessmen have invested in all sectors. One thing is common in Somalia, whilst the warlords, controlling the regions cannot come to a common ground, the businessmen pastured for their benefits across the country, without the limitation of inter-tribal problems, or the regional borders. This is one of the main reasons behind the economic growth across the country. The warlords have not in any case contributed to this growth. It is the north regional authority, which closed the seaport in Berbera, when it could not put the livestock industry under its control. Hefty unfair taxation was imposed on all imports, such as the medicine, food and any other materials that might have contributed to the development projects. Expatriates working for the NGOs were taken hostage for a ransom, from time to time, and Mr. Igal’s government expelled them several times in the past, when the representatives refused to give them a portion of the funds.

 

Professor I.E. Lewis of London School of Economics commented on the stability, law and order in the north region. It appears that he has not visited any other place in Somalia. He has not visited Bosaso, Beletweyne or Mogadishu for the last 15 years. Being related to the people in the north for a long time, Mr. Lewis visited Hargiesa only. Of course, he was asked to give such a comment by the authority there. Law and order are maintained in all regions, except Mogadishu, where each tribe is still trying to dominate the others.

 

The international community had failed in the capital only, and it was this place where many UN forces including the 18 US marines were killed. The efforts of the international community to stabilise Somalia in the early nineties became futile only, because the international Community concentrated their efforts in the capital, assuming that if the capital was stabilized, the problems in Somalia would have come to an end. However, if these efforts were exerted to other places, there would have been good a chance to succeed.

 

It is true that all previous Peace Conferences failed because the warlords tried to build the power from the top. The regional authorities were relatively successful because they were built from the grassroots. The regional conference in Bosaso, Beletweyne and Baydhabo and North Region were successful, as they continued for a long time, and were held under the auspices of the traditional leaders of the same tribe or clan.

 

It is ethically immoral and unacceptable to the free world, for some one to seek a reward when he did something good for his people. It is the prime responsibility of a governor to work for the benefit and the general well being of his people. Doing something good for one’s people does not warrant a reward.

 

The government of Great Britain is not different from the other countries in the United Nations and to seek a unilateral recognition of a state is out of a question. This should come as a result of a referendum and consensus among all Somalis. The request from Davidson is solely to gain financial interests from the hardships of the Somali people. He is one of the many people that are benefiting from the civil war in Somalia.

 

We support your government’s decision to maintain unconditional support to the Somali people, who need you most and not to heed to the warlords in the north region

 

Since he came to power, Mr. Riyaale, who is an ex-Security officer, have lowered his voice towards secessionist principles. However, in order remain in power he has to, from time to time, declare his position towards this goal.

 

Nevertheless, the day will come when the voice of the majority would be heed by the warlords, who seized the will of the people in Somalia.

 

Mohamed Y.Hassan

[guraad]

Please check following sites to see where each of those regions and its people stand about separation:-

 

www.buuhoodle.com

 

www.laascaanood.com

 

www.nugaal.net

 

 

Once you open those web site the first thing you see is great somali flag of great somalia flying .

read those web sites and see with your own eyes where people SS&H stand about this matter . They tottaly against separation .

[guraad]

I mean .

 

www.buuhoodle.net

 

 

not buuhoodle.com

[BN]

Puntland was created to safeguard the peace and securit of NE Somalis. As you may know this region(specifically Mudug) was attacked by USC forces in 1991 in which hundreds of people were killed and many more injured/taken prisoner. The people in NES had to come together against invading forces and create a united front and repelled them. If they hadn't I'm sure NES would have suffered the same fate as Southern Somalia against Aidiid's USC in which they were invaded and occupied and the genocided(starvation) which was allowed to occur there by Aidiid.

 

Gediid & A.Techkovsky,

 

I condem what happened in NW Somalia in 1988(Half my family is from there) but why don't either of you condem what happened in NE Somalia in 1977-78 by Siyaad Barre? I'd also like to ask you why no one(incl.NW Somalis) came to the aid of NE Somalis? You stood by as Afweyn commited genocide, rape, poisoning of wells, killing of herds, etc. Maybe if we all had stood up to Barre then we could have stopped that being repeated in NW Somalia in '88 and Mogadishu area in 1990. You guys were not the first or last victims of Barre.

 

P.S. Galkayo is a divided city because that is how the southern part wants it. It's based on the history of the region. But we have been living in peace for almost a decaded with each other.

[guraad]

@ mojam ,

 

can you tell which localties in laascaanood you been and who are the people you know there ? i am not talking about your uncle i am talking about you speak for yourself .

 

And you said you not been to laascanood lately . i hope you check it out now . Do you know that people are gathering right now they (( isugu soo baxay si ay uga qaybgalaan dabbaal-degga munaasabadaha maalmaha xoriyada Soomaaliyeed )).

 

 

Do you know that somaliland mafia in hergeysa have no power what ever in my homeland(ss&h). and if heryisa wants to claim our land DRAWISH MEN and whole of somalia will marsh to burco ,berbera and hargeysa it self . you better be happy of what you got now or `lse DRAWIISH AND SOMALI ARMY WILL BE IN YOUR DOOR STEPS.

 

If somaliland have so much of power . WHY THEY ARE AFRAID TO ACT(just like they did in awdal region) EVEN WHEN THER OWN SO CALLED PRESIDENT GOT KICKED OUT OF LAASCAANOOD IN GUN-BATTLE ALL THEY SAID WAS WE GONNA ATTACK SOOL BUT THEY BACK TRACKED COUSE THEY KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO THEM. BLAH BLAH BLAH IS ALL I HEAR COMING FROM HARGEYSA AND I AM SOME TIMES LIKE (Walk the talk hargeyisa mafia ) BUT NEVER ACTION JUST MORE BLAH BLAH BLAH.

 

IF SOMALILAND HAVE SO M`UCH POWER WHY THEIR BALLOT BOX`S NEVER SHOWED UP IN LAASCAANOOD , EASTERN/SOUTHREN SANAAG AND HAWD STATES (no alection toke in this places)?. THE INSWER IS COUSE SOMALILAND HAVE NO POWER WHATS EVER TO DO SO , PLUS PEOPLE IN THOSE PLACES ARE AGAINST SEPARATEST IDEA . WHY SOMALILAND DIDNT SEND THEIR SO CALLE ARMY? COUSE THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY START WAR SOONnER HARGEYSA WILL BE THE BATTELE GROUND . YOU ALL SEPARATESTS NEED TO WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE . THE TRUTH IS SLAPPING YOU RIGHT AND LEFT BUT YOU ACTING LIKE YOU DONT FEEL IT.

 

 

GOOD BLESS UNITED AND GREATER SOMALIA WITH UNITED SOMALI RACE.