Bardheere and GEDO clan make up anyone?

[Gabbal]

More sources:

 

An Italian account of the population of Oltre Jubba (Upper Jubba) n 1897.

 

The Famous anti-colonialialist wars between reer Gedo and the British.

 

More of the wars between reer Gedo and the British--1

 

More of the wars between reer Gedo and the British--2

 

 

Haye, bal ka daroo dibi dhal!

 

[ August 03, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: HornAfrique ]

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

horn I understand there were two migrations but my understanding was that the Galti was recent, like the 80s or so. but your saying that it was much, much earlier then this. To both Horn and MMA, according to colonial accounts about the history of this region, the riverine people lived only between the two rivers (which includes very little of upper, middle and lower Juba). They go on to say that these northern somalis, by foot or on animals (Northerner reached Kismayo by boat and did not deal with the riverine people) reached these riverine communities who accepted them but that when the northerner grew in strength, they tried to take over the land but were expelled and forced to cross the river. lastly that this river is the border between the northern and riverine somalis and although the river goes through the towns of Luug and Baardheere, that these two groups live north or south of the banks of this river. Do you guys agree with that? MMA, could these towns who first founded on the north bank of the river grow both sides of the banks of the river? Horn, how are realtions between the Galti and the other group (whats the first group called) of Gedo?

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

according to the "An Italian account of the population of Oltre Jubba (Upper Jubba) n 1897." there "puntlanders" among the pop, what happened to them? are they still there?

[Gabbal]

Naxar, Galti is around the year 1900 not 1980's. Here is a better and more descriptive account in the bottom half of this page.

 

Page

 

As for the Puntlanders, waa inta yaroo maanta Bilis Qooqaani iyo agagaarkaa dego.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Aniga boys lama doodi. Ee taariiqda aad ka been sheegeysid lee iska yareey.

 

According to this impartial European NGO fact-finding report, whose fact-finders visited Gedo:

 

[E]xtensive resettlement

by [siyaad Barre's] clans in the Gedo region had been going on for some considerable time. Back in 1977-1980 the [soomaali Galbeed] war between Somalia and Ethiopia triggered large movements of people, with many [siyaad Barre's clan] members being

transferred

from Ethiopia to Luuq and Bur Dubo in particular.

The Somali Government at the time, headed by Siad Barre, assisted [siyaad Barre's clan] settlers in Gedo with farm implements

, among other facilities, while a Japanese NGO tried to persuade the [the native clan settlers] clans to accept the

new [siyaad Barre's clan] settlers

, arguing in particular that this was a

temporary arrangement

. The [siyaad Barre's clan] settlers were at present still living in those areas, with the [the native clan of the region] and [another native clan] clans being squeezed out there as a result.

 

[sNIP]

 

[R]egarded that seizure of power (by occupation of remnants of last regime, my words) as the culmination of a long-term strategy by the President at the time, Siad Barre, with the Gedo region having been established back in 1974 in order to create a regional base for the [siyaad Barre's] clans.

 

[sNIP]

 

Staff at the UNOPS/SRP in Mandera listed the relative positions of the main clans [of Gedo] as follows: [Reer Arlaadi] clans; [siyaad Barre's] clans; [Gabyoow's ] clans; [C/llaahi Sheekh Ismaacil's] clans

.

 

Gedo region was generally considered a [siyaad Barre's clan], the [siyaad Barre's] clans formed only the

fourth

largest clan group in Gedo. Both the [the native clans of the land] and the Bantu clans were present in

far greater

numbers than the [siyaad Barre's clan].

 

[sNIP]

 

Luuq district is divided into an eastern and a western part by the River Juba. The one side of the district capital, Luuq, is inhabited by [native clans] Moalim Weine, Gobawein, Gasar and the other side by [siyaad Barre's clans].

 

[sNIP]

 

The Bardera district is far more complicated than the other districts of the Gedo region in its clan make-up. In its note on the Gedo region, the UNPOS states that,

before civil war

broke out in 1990, Bardera was mainly the homeland of various [native] clans: [shaatigaduud's clan; Xaabsade's clan; Fowsiyo Max'ed Sheekh's clan; Shariif Xasan's clan, etc, are listed.]. There were also [Gabyoow's clans] in Bardera. The Bardera district consists of over 180 villages, mainly inhabited by [native] clans. The [siyaad Barre's clans] traditionally,

before the 1969 October revolution, formed a minority in Bardera

. At that time

only one village

, Serinly, in the Bardera district was inhabited by [siyaad Barre's clans].

 

The

full report

.

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I think that is enough. Qabyaalad qurunkeeda dad, especially boys, ayaa ku dhex dabaasho. But taariiq jirto lagama been sheego. Never would I allow that. I will not, however, redeem nor lower myself anymore to that lowly qabyaalad qurunkeeda dadka qaarkood ku jiraan level. Ee meeshaan waa ugu baxay, even though Luuq's and Ceelwaaq's history ayaan rabay inaa sheego.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

MMA, could these towns who first founded on the north bank of the river grow both sides of the banks of the river?

The Afmaay dialect is called riverine language because it starts right off in Afgooye [the town's name itself is self-explanatory, meaning it is where both Afmaxaatiri and Afmaay dialects meet and end, thus af gooy], which where the Shabeelle river abruptly turns from, instead of going to Xamar, turns to deep Shabeellada Hoose.

 

On the other end, nothern boundaries, Afmaay dialect officially ends where both the towns of Baardheere on the northeast and Luuq on the northwest; both towns are separated by Jubba [formerly Ganaane] rivers, though in Luuq's case, the river encircles the town, hence the town's name being Luuq. Instead of the Afmaay dialect going far north, it follows both the Shabeelle and Jubba rivers and, interestingly, also ends where the rivers end just before Kismaayo la gaarin.

 

That itself alone can tell you about the deegaan's history.

 

PS - I forgot about directly answering your question, though what I wrote above indirectly answers it. On Baardheere's case, on one side of the river, the peace-loving Gabyoow's clan traditionally lived and interacted with peacefully the other side of the river towners, which was larger and where the historical Jameeco was based at, lived by Afmaay-speaking clans. By the help of last dictatorial regime, the clan from Cabuudwaaq pushed the Gabyoow's clan out of the fringes of town on their side. Then they tried to take the other side of the river, by crossing the river. This is where the larger conflict is now. Gabyoow's clan members did not either forgot their stolen part of the town.

[Gabbal]

Here I bring historical documentation based on the first-person account and I am responded with a report based on the second person point of view.

 

Outsiders do not understand our clan system nor can they understand the reasoning behind what their sources spew. The article our moderator brought is based on a second person point of view particularly with most of its sources hailing from Mandeera, presumably do to the mission's inability to travel largely within Gedo.

 

In the article, most of the information is gleaned from an English speaker source whose position as "Coordinator for the Nomadic Primary Health Care Programme, Mandera" sufficed enough to make him credible to the Western eyes. Mandeera is a settled majority populated by two clans who are traditionally enemy clans of reer Gedo. We have only to choose between the two, bal adigu dooro!

 

For example:

 

but Abdishakur Othowai, Coordinator for the Nomadic Primary Health Care Programme, Mandera, did not think

According to Abdishakur Othowai

Abdishakur Othowai, Coordinator for the Nomadic Primary Health Care Programme, Mandera, however, took the view that

Abdishakur Othowai nevertheless stated that

bdishakur Othowai explained that

bdishakur Othowai said that, before the civil war

that clan being traditionally, according to Abdishakur Othowai

Abdishakur Othowai was able to report that

Abdishakur Othowai made it clear that

Abdishakur Othowai regarded it

could Abdishakur Othowai seen any

Abdishakur Othowai explained that there

Abdishakur Othowai reported examples of

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Clearly one ought to be educated into the specifics of research and difference between first-person sources and second-person sources and etc.

 

Then they tried to take the other side of the river, by crossing the river.

This is where the larger conflict is now.

Ilaahow internetka noo daa.

[Gabbal]

Intriguingly, I have brought an argument based on historical evidence and have been able to back it up but the other side seems to be gulping for oxygen like a water deprived fish!

[xiinfaniin]

LOL@this thread!

 

Inshaa Allah somalidu waa ilbixi doontaa. Waa laga weynaan doonnaa magaaladaan annaggaa iska leh ama majority baan ka nahay!

 

Dalkoo dhan lama sheegan karo; man rakaba farasayni shaqqa dubarah

[Gabbal]

Kismaayo maanta yaa sheekada kusoo daro, hala kala fara dhaqdee.

[xiinfaniin]

Adeer Kismayo issue is very simple: bunch of uncultured and nomadic militias want to perform a daylight robbery on that city! This particular militia and its leaders will no doubt lose their current hold of the city as they did when the good Courts drove them all the way to Bardhere, and handily defeated them at Bu’aale when they attempted to comeback. All the goon squads need to sleep on that.

 

Perhaps MMA has a point when he pointed out Afweyne’s attempt to oppress certain parts of southern community while empowering others. Those who want to take what’s not theirs will undoubtedly fail. Political capital that’s derived from xaraam will undoubtedly evaporate adeer.

 

You just need to watch how it happens, it's fun.

[Gabbal]

La kala dhaqay marka.

 

 

^^A good example of the character of the Somali; hadal aan afka baarkiis dhaafin until we get to the nitty gritty.

[xiinfaniin]

Truth hurts adeer...

 

Most people are not confused about these issues. They understand the prevailing culture of warlordism in the south has been and still continues to be a minor challenge that needs be overcome by a dose of justice--just like the Courts started doing but was unfortunately disrupted by the powers that be! As for Kismayo cowbirds, as I said, it’s really simple issue to understand. Ha iska dhaceen habraha iyo ganacsatta masaakiinta ah. The way I see it, they too are victims of the culture I described. They are irrelevant in the big scheme of things, a mere apostrophe in the-yet-to-be written Somali civil war narrative (the correct version of it).

 

Wiilashaa miyiga laga keenay adeer geed adag ma haystaan. Haddii Maxaakiimtii soo noqdaanna sidoodiiba bay xaggaa iyo gedo u yaacayyaan ama inta rehab loo sameeyyo oo cimmaamad cas loo xiro baa la xaraynayya! Haddi ay noqoto in nimankan hadda Xamar haysta meesha yimaadaanna hadde wasiiru difaaca tfg daa xaggaa iyo Bali-doogle geysannayya!

 

Oh I forgot there is another possibility: sidii Barre Hiiraale (the man who from the top of an Ethiopian tank told the world that he would even seek the help of the Jewish state to defeat the good Wadaads) inay shaqo la’aani ku dhacdana waa suuragal .

 

edit: waryee MMA what say you about the history of Kismayo ...

[Gabbal]

^^^Twice the fella above me has provided the ammo for my point.

 

Maxaakiim gabaad ma le. The two men you have insulted the most in recent times concerning Kismaayo were both two men who supported the ICU against Barre. To refresh your memory or have links to Kismaayo, ask around how much money the same Taano you insulted just because of his clan origins paid to bring together the clan and the ICU. Yet today you insult him because he gave Afgaduud and the innocent hoodwinked you boys from Bari the boot and a unforgettable introduction into the real world.

 

Never pick a fight with a battle-hardened geeljire as an innocent kaluumayste!.

 

Also, the position of the clan in Kismaayo manifested itself in the administration set up by the same ICU you resort to nowadays in which most of the key positions, among them mayor of the city, were given to the clan.

 

Maxaakiim kaa shaqayn wayde, outright qabyaaladne ku meel marin wayde. Adigu un wax kale iska soo xul ....

[xiinfaniin]

^^^If those who claim to hold the city represent your clan and its interest, one thing is certain, and that is your qabil is stronger than mine. Yours is bold and daring while mine is distinctively timorous and quite weak. Yours have thousands, as you put it, of battle-hardened fighting force while mine has noticeable meager resources. Fame never hit us, Horn--ow, because of a fierce fights we put up---ours have no genuine claim on ferocity…we are the kind that collapses under the gentle touch.

 

 

^^Intaa ku seexo caawa adeer ! I know it feels good, kind of fills up your ego with clannish pride!