Yusuf Yey: The Hero Of The Age!!!

[General Duke]

The Clan courts was not based on Islam, but they used the faith to mask their occupation and other illegal activities. And they failed..

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Violet:

So we're meant to ignore the fact that the leaders of this movement were from one clan because they claimed to be Islamic?

You're misinformed; the ICU isn't based on a clan system, let alone one clan. The other thing, in modern history, no movement can claim to be Islamic without being a genuine Islamic movement. It simply cannot be a fake Islamic movement. Why? Because the West would ensure to destroy such movements, even if they claim to be Islamic for fun. If you think otherwise, I challenge you to cite two examples of fake Islamic movements.

[General Duke]

^^^Ok there have been fake Mahdi's right? So why not fake religious movements? Saxib that line of argument is weak.

As for the clan courts, their union was based on specefic sub-sub clan courts. For example

Chircoole was based around the clan of Cadaado.led by Abdulkadir Macalin.

Ifka Xalin, was Guriceel and led by Xasan Dahir, including warlords, Cirfo[afgoyee occupier], IndaCade and others.

Al-Furqan Was based on the south Galkacyu clan and led by Cagawayne.

Sisi was based on the clan of Mohamed Dheere and Geedi, and led by Sharif Ahmed, Abukar Cadaan.

 

Every sub-clan of south Mogadishu had a seperate clan court and each was independent.

[Taako Man]

Originally posted by Taliban:

quote:Originally posted by Violet:

So we're meant to ignore the fact that the leaders of this movement were from one clan because they claimed to be Islamic?

You're misinformed; the ICU isn't based on a clan system, let alone one clan. The other thing, in modern history, no movement can claim to be Islamic without being a genuine Islamic movement. It simply cannot be a fake Islamic movement. Why? Because the West would ensure to destroy such movements, even if they claim to be Islamic for fun. If you think otherwise, I challenge you to cite two examples of fake Islamic movements.

In the history of the world has there been two examples of a society in which people of the same religion, culture, ethinic group and language slaughtered each other of almost a million souls? 1/10 of the Somali population in the early ninties? NO. Somalia is a unique case. Fake wadaads included. Indhacadde being the most ironic wadaad ever.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Ok there have been fake Mahdi's right? So why not fake religious movements?

Because fake Mahdis do not harm the West; they harm Muslims by misleading them. Islamic movements, however, are dangerous to the West.

[Taako Man]

Taliban

 

So 'Sheik' Indhacadde was really a Qari, Imam, Sheik, Mufti all in one? WOW. Never thought the day I would see that.

[General Duke]

The old man is a hero indeed

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Taako Man:

So 'Sheik' Indhacadde was really a Qari, Imam, Sheik, Mufti all in one? WOW.

You're implying he was all those in one?

[General Duke]

reception in Beledweyne Hiiraan two years back

[Ebyan]

There are people out there who are so desperate for an Islamic state that they'll over-look the faults of the ICU. But as an "Islamic" movement, shouldn't they be held to account? How bout you answer my questions?

 

You can't abolish clan, you can reduce it's influence, but you can not abolish it. How did the ICU go about doing this? By insuring that it's leaders were from the clan of Mogadishu? Are the people of Mogadishu more religious than those in Jubbaland,Puntland and Somaliland? What was the reasoning behind this?

 

Of course there are people out there who were fooled by the clan courts(to borrow a word from Duke) and supported the ICU out of Muslimnimo, but there are also many people who knew exactly what they were up to and supported them for no other reason than clan-ties. There are also those who support them just cuz they oppose anything out of Puntland. How is this an "Islamic" movement when most of the people who support them do so for reasons other than religion? :confused: The ICU was just a ploy for a certain clan to remain in power, it's no wonder Abdiqasim was a major supporter of theirs.

[Taliban]

Originally posted by Violet:

How bout you answer my questions?

 

You can't abolish clan, you can reduce it's influence, but you can not abolish it.

Did I say you can abolish clan? No. I said the ICU encouraged Somalis to abolish the mistreatment of Somalis considered low caste or inferior. Nonetheless, the Somali clanism (not clan which is about ancestry, identity, diversity, iwm) as we know can be abolished or reduced to irrelevancy. Somalis are part of humanity. Among the wider societies of humanity, clanism is almost nonexistent or irrelevant. Somalis aren't a different breed of humanity; what can work for others can work for Somalis. Since Somalis are Muslims, this can only work through Sharia'.

[Hunguri]

Originally posted by General Duke:

The old man is a hero indeed

The best picture . Niyohow sawirkaan ma iisoo diri kartaa . Wall paper ayaanba ka dhigane;)!

[Ana_Juwa2]

Originally Posted by Rudy

 

its the fact jack! it aint coming, u might as well look for a real job!!

lol Aint that the truth.

[ansaar17]

afbiijo dhaheen wa hero! lol

 

he is by nature incompotent monkey waiting to die.

 

he is OWN by a man younger than him.

 

he does not speak enlgish

[Captain Xalane]

Originally posted by abu ansaar17:

 

he is OWN by a man younger than him.

 

he does not speak enlgish

U can use some english tutoring urself!

 

Back to the topic,The President is a national Hero,his legacy will live in ages to come and will be remembered as the man who unified the nation.