Buubto Posted September 9, 2004 This issue keeps coming back, I don’t see anything wrong with it infact it only sums up the state of our country and how narrow minded our people are. Somalilanders aren’t the only one who is claiming they are a country of their own. There is other regions that want or are in the process of forming their own little country. This issue has got nothing to do with what region is more civilised then the other more god-fearing / have taqwa then the other & etc. This issue is all based on hatred & selfishness. We are corrupted because of tribalism. Cajiib I got a question since this whole issue is about qabyaalad. Hypothetically speaking let’s say each region forms their own country. And a conflict occurs within their own region (inner sub-clans) what they going to do? How they going to solve it? Or will they divide their own little country into tens of small towns giving each sub- clan their own town? Qabiil qabiil ka fiican majiro Laf laf ka fiican majiro Gidigood waa isku wadahal Qori iyo qiiqiisa lagu riday fuusto dhaxda ka duleesho = holac aan raad laheen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OG_Girl Posted September 9, 2004 Og_girl justify the saudi kingdom to you? (lol) i couldnt give a rat's butt about a shia! or what they think, if it was up to me i would exile all shias fromm madinah and mecca! they dont belong there! ship them all to Karabala! Salafi, thank you so much for making it so clear. That shows, even with Islam every one have his/her own Islam with their own understanding for Islam. Tell me how to unite the "Ummah" with this attitute... "If I have power I would ship you to Karbala"!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . For sure, If you try to enforce your Salafi Share'a in my backyard, I will fight you to your death. And if many believe like you , war is a gurantee . And there are no guaranteed winners . So, tell me what is the solution Mr Saudi Kingdom :confused: :confused: Salam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahima Posted September 9, 2004 Ayoub, We need to take steps foreword to achieve the khalifa not take a few back. At the end of the day, what it comes down to is that Islamically speaking it is not legitimate to keep breaking up that which was together. I feel that we as Muslims should be getting our act together collectively instead of claiming the rhetoric that everyone should fix up their own house first. Whilst this is true, looking at these forums, most (it would be unfair to say all) of the proponents of Somaliland are not interested in uniting with the rest of Somalia irrespective of what the situation is. Personally I believe that even if the rest of the country achieves peace and stability Somalilanders will still be anti-unification (generalizing of course). It is for this reason that your line of reasoning does not fit brother. Baashi and Xoogsade, Believe you me brothers I know I’m contradicting myself . I know what is the correct position however as I’ve said because of my lack of strength, or rather my overwhelming sense of pride that I cannot overlook, I just do not care. The way I see it is why should we care when we have been told point blank so many times that we are not wanted. Why go through such humiliation. It’s not like the rest of Somalia cannot survive without the North, therefore let’s move on and discuss issues which are pertinent to us. I don’t like the fact that it may be that my cousins (my father was born and raised in Boorama, but his reer abti are reer waqooyi) and I will be seen as coming from two different countries (if Somaliland is successful in their bid for independence), but what can I do? Not much, so let them be. Salafi_Online Brother with all due respect you are misunderstand the Islamic principles you are using. What is this lesser of the two evils you speak of? Do you actually think that those in the Somaliland government are any less evil (or any more pious) that those leaders of the rest of the country? I guarantee you that no Islamic scholar (the salafi scholars) supports the secession of Somaliland. Maybe you should check that out. Even if they do not speak about the Somali incident in particular, they do speak about already existing Muslim nations breaking up into smaller groups based on reasons like those of Somaliland. Waryaa, allright, considering she's a women, I'll let this one slide! My apologies to the woman This is an intellectual playing field, women don’t need special consideration . Give her respect as a person, that is well advised, but not because she is a woman . I don’t know what is happening to the brothers, in another post, Kowneyn said something to the extent of not turning the discussion into a “girlie discussionâ€. I was puzzled to say the least :confused: and thought, do you boys actually think of us as being intellectually challenged? Don't worry about me, i'm just ticked off at the male population at the moment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qudhac Posted September 9, 2004 Rahima with all due respect to you and your opinions you are not living in reallity and you have your head up in fantasy clouds, if you seriously opposing somaliland at this precise moment on religion level then you are seriously deluding yourself which part of the muslim word are you trying to unit into one country.. please be realistic and lets argue while keeping perspective of reallity at all times. and do not go over the line and keep calling somaliland unislamic because you are crossing the line now as we all know where all the unislamic deeds are being commoted on monumental level so go preach to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted September 9, 2004 That goat I was talking about in my earlier posts had stopped flying and seems to be praying now. :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted September 9, 2004 Rahima What you have to accept is Somali Republic,Somalism and Somaliweyn has nothing to do with Islam. Somaliweyn's ultimate goal is to draw a border between Muslims and divide them into Somalis and non-Somalis. When people say Djibouti is part of 'Somaliweyn' they don't even think about Afars living there and when they talk about uniting Og*d*nia with Somalia they don't take into calculation there more Muslims in Ethiopia than all Somalis put together. If the unity we are after is about Islam our goal would have been to join all neighbouring Muslims around like Swahilis, Oroms, Afars, etc etc. Somaliweyn is not about that, is it? I not claiming Somalilanders will want to rejoin if things settle down, i'm saying lets make trying to make things settle a priority. Like Qudhac said, there are lots of un-Islamic things going on at the moment that need to be sorted before we start talking about Somaliland's. Somaliland might not be a fully Islamic yet, but there people working working on it, and its already way better than the 'scientific socialism' days when scholars' lives were always in danger. Are going to be as blind as Hornafrique and promise us "this time its going to be different". Declaration Of The Aqils And Traditional Leaders is one good example which should be encouraged and not dismissed as un-Islamic. What I really want to ask is: do you think Somaliland will be Islamic if it joined the gathering in Mbagathi? That is the only option in front of us: Somaliland or Mbagathi/bust...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baashi Posted September 9, 2004 LANDER, I can see where you are coming from and yes unionist can be described as conservative leaning bunch of nationalists . But common sxb Bush and Co. are radicals, a different breed altogether. After all, there is a reason why a prefix is added to the traditional conservative party in order to highlight how radical these fellas are hence the name neo-con. They are bunch of Judeo-Christians hawks with unparalleled firepower and cash at their disposal. Speaking of hawks, you are a text example of Somalilander hawk or should I say “pro-secessionist†hawk . Man! I was frightened when you declared (in this site) war on us with 50K strong army of “duriyada†to capture Sool/E. Sanaag/Hawd territories. I fled from SOL running for my life... On a serious note, the secessionist proponents are radical in their approach to attain the goal. Even though pro-unionists are the ones who are trying to keep the State intact and preserve the territorial integrity of the country (conservative political stand), they are for gradual, limited, or well-established procedures to affect changes in order to accommodate (appease) the secessionist. Assertions have been made by some of the secessionists in this site that anyone who oppose the dismemberment of Somalia do so out of hate. That kind of mindset doesn’t even qualify radical label...that is dogmatic. As to my political affiliations in the American politics, I am independent. Ayoub, I give you two points. Bravo! You have successfully punctured holes in Somaliweyn’s case when is made on the premise of Islamic principles. Now let me repair the wounded vessel on whose back I’ve been riding for so long. I knew all along sooner or later with this constant barrage of punches, arrows, artillery fire from the determinant and passionate secessionists are aiming at my ‘daabad†will hurt it . But, hold your horses there! you are not out of the woods yet. Granted Somaliweyn as a foreign policy had never advocated the plight of Muslims in Ethiopia, Djibouti, or Kenya. It used to advocate the plight of Somalis when Somalia was a functioning state. The reason being Somaliweyn policy was conceived by nationalists not Islamists. But we are not talking about Somaliweyn as a foreign policy of Somali Democratic Republic, are we? At issue is whether Islamic country ravaged by civil war and surrounded by traditional enemies should be dismembered on the basis of what European power colonized what corner of this now independent but chaotic country. Looking from different angle, the question can be framed this way: is it Islamic to insist on breaking Muslim nation, in this case Somalia (a unity attained), just because Britain had once upon time colonized one part before the unity attained. By the way, as of tactical strategy, would you go after what you can accomplish and within your reach or would you rather declare a war in which you can’t win and draw a fire from every conceivable corner. You know damn well that Islamists’ struggle is within national boundries because of the imposition of international order in the way of independent states and seemingly overwhelming power in the hands of Western states that have power to sanction the freedom-fighters and declare their country rogue nation at will. Ngonge, didn't I tell u the utility of repeating urself....again redundancy is the name of this game. How about a repeat of that story about ceesaanta Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowneyn Posted September 9, 2004 Rahima: A "Marwo" is more than welcome in the discussion :cool: Kowneyn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kowneyn Posted September 9, 2004 Baashi: Nin daad qaaday xumbo cuskay Nothing is being dismembered, Somaliland has only revoked its disastrous union with Somalia... Also, Somalians like you and Otali have made a habit of using the eastern region of Somaliland, which I happen to be from, as political currency. Somaliland has its national army there and its not a clan affair. Our internal problems will be solved by the same wisdom we have solved all our other problems. Kowneyn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qudhac Posted September 9, 2004 bashi baashi, baashi.. you see once again my friend you are feeling the weight of your inability to touch somaliland with your vile constant drooling so you keep deluding yourself and intertaining yourself with terms and futile arguments knowing fully well you cant change jack shid, yet like i have said before you drug your brain with these chapters of mud slinging if not for anything other than your own sanity. how many garbage cans do you overturn in order to fish for these surreal and hypothetical nonesence such as your somaliweyne republic that no one has ever seen or head of, or your constant wailling and weeping about religion. your constant incoherant ranting jibirish rubbish you put up againt somaliland makes me laught and its a clear indicator that somaliland has well and trully stuffed your political cohorts in the arena of battle. sweet dreams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baashi Posted September 9, 2004 LANDER, Where are u sxb. Where do that last two posts figure in the spectrum my dear friend Illaahaan kugu dhaarshey e? Does Rush Limbough come to mind? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahima Posted September 9, 2004 if you seriously opposing somaliland at this precise moment on religion level then you are seriously deluding yourself which part of the muslim word are you trying to unit into one country If it was up to me, all of it. It’s a process which takes time and a step-by-step method. All I was saying is that we seem to be taking steps backward instead of going ahead. If you read my posts, i don't oppose Somaliland so what are you talking about? In fact i'm all for it, go ahead and let us deal with ourselves. Perhaps it would even be best if the rest of us no longer commented negatively on the issues of Somaliland and Somalilanders gave us the same courtesy in return. and do not go over the line and keep calling somaliland unislamic because you are crossing No need to be so heavy handed here, orders are not usually well received brother . The status of Somaliland like all other similar states in Muslim countries is evident. This is not my opinion. However if it was, it is an opinion which I do believe I would have a right to hold. No? As for being realistic, I’m not saying what is, rather what should be. Like Qudhac said, there are lots of un-Islamic things going on at the moment that need to be sorted before we start talking about Somaliland's As I realize but since this is the discussion at the moment we shall address it as such. Simply because other things are one way we cannot argue that this cannot be mentioned as it is. What I really want to ask is: do you think Somaliland will be Islamic if it joined the gathering in Mbagathi? That is the only option in front of us: Somaliland or Mbagathi/bust...? That’s just it. I think I’ve already mentioned this point. I’ve said my take on this in a reply to our brother salafi_online. A "Marwo" is more than welcome in the discussion So now sisters need an invite do they? What is this world coming to . In that case you guys must knock at the womens forum door and ask for permission to enter . That's only fair is it not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LANDER Posted September 10, 2004 Patriot, sxb waa ku sidee dee. I share your love for Somaliland and its good to see young fellows like you taking interest in their country and somali politics in general, but you have to be cool, calm and collected, that is the Somalilander way . Don't allow every comment made that is contrary to yours get to you, the way your acting right now do you think its exemplary of our peoples upbringing? I like to think Somalilanders in general, including yourself, are brought up well-mannered people. You can express your opinions and rebuke other people’s criticism without the insults. You seem like an intelligent youngster, I think you can do without the emotional outburst. Baashi, Stop provoking the youngsters:D, let them duke it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QabiilDiid Posted September 10, 2004 Take your time and read what is being done to my Hargaysaawis: Waxa manta xusid kale mudan dalka Somali land halkuu marayo, waxynu arkaynaa sida aan loo tix gelinayn wixii iyo sharciyadii aynu dhiganay, waxa manta hargeysa ka dhacday in mid ka mida dadka xaqa iyo xuquuqda ku leh wadanka loogu hanjabay in lagu birayn doon dooxa(xasan siciid) tafa tiraha jamhuuriya, yidhi yaaba yeele, hadaba aniga maanta waxa ii muuqda in arimuhu aanay halkaa ku joogayn berina ay dhici doonaan wax yaabo kale oo aan halkan lagu soo koobi karayn, waxay aniga iigu muuqataa intii aaanay inagu dhicin guul daradii ka dhacday beerta xayawaanku, ifafalihiina uu ka muuqdo shebekada maanta dalka ka talisaa, ma haboon tahay in aynu wax iska weydiino bal in ay suura gal tahay in aynu wax la qabsan karo walaleheena koonfur marka inbegati dawlada loogu soo dhiso, waayo maanta iima muuqto meel aynu nidhaahno MAR LABAAD IYO QAAXO , waxyaabhan socdaana ma aha wax laga dul qaadan karayo Alaa mahad leh Muxumud cabdillahi Hargeysa aiip@hotmail.com aiip@hotmail.com> For the full article fellow the link http://www.somaliweyn.org/pages/poems/Sep04/9sep4.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salafi_Online Posted September 10, 2004 Rahima, It’s been a decade and the south has yet to rectify their impaired land, they are as they were ten years ago, I contently hear the south calling for unity under the flag of islam? the supreme military leaders exercising civil power in the south have yet to express their ability to use Islam to unify or benefit their own city-dwellers. The government Of Somaliland for the interest of its citizens took the initiative to rescue their people from the status co of the south. A government which guided its people from strife to one of amity can only be admired. Khayr&Rahima: As for Somaliland not ruling by the shariyah, well surely no one in this board has studied the Shariyah in its true form, so I wouldn’t be so quick to speak about that which we have no knowledge of! Lest you should say about Allah that which you know not! Posted by Og_Girl! Tell me how to unite the "Ummah" with this attitute... "If I have power I would ship you to Karbala"!!!!! . we unit the ummah upon the correct creed( that way of the companions) For sure, If you try to enforce your Salafi Share'a in my backyard, I will fight you to your death. And if many believe like you , war is a gurantee . And there are no guaranteed winners . I would never go to a shia’s backyard for fear that Allah, his messenger(saw) and all of mankind’s Curse may fall upon me! If you dont like the Kingdom you can always leave, Ali(ra) is buried in Karbala you know! So, tell me what is the solution Mr Saudi Kingdom The solution is, you should stop speak ill of the sahabas! P.S Do you know one of the greatest Shaykh of this ummah happends to be from Ogadan(now part of Ethiopia) He was an honourable man, May Allah send his blessing and mercy upon his soul! Ameen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
