I'm not Somali, I'm a Somalilandeeeeer

[Gabbal]

Og Girl everyone knows, even objective non-Somali historians, that Sayid Mohamed Abdille Hassan was fighting against colonialism, colonization, colonizers, and their supporters..Somali or otherwise!

 

When I was a little kid, one of my favorie past times was listening to my grandmother, who is a neice and a former pupil of the great Sayid, talk about his battles against the English and their sympathizers. You should see her hear break from telling us it wasn't Gaalo, but our own people who stormed his fortress at Taleex.

 

History stands witness to the Sayid.

[Mali Girl]

lool natty

 

plz pass the choclate now

 

thx Hornafrique ..... i should clap for u man

 

we all know know he was our hero..but Qurac is sick ,needs mental hospital

 

peace out

[NGONGE]

Baashi step aside for a second and let me deal with these pro separatists. Cause these people need someone like me to show them the truth, not someone as wise as you!

 

Come on NGONGE be fair to Baashi he read all your words, not that there is much to read. The problem with the pro separatists is they Abuse the victim card a lot; you’re insulting our intelligence with it. You are not the only victim of the last regime so get over it

Again? :eek:

 

Shall we talk in Arabic, my dear? It seems that my English is not getting through to you! I find it shocking that it doesn't to be honest. After all, you've more than demonstrated your versatility with this particular language; It's as if you've got a couple of gears that you change around effortlessly. Sometimes southpaw and sometimes orthodox!

 

Never mind, since Baashi (and I assume others too) elected you to be their spokesperson, I might as well direct my reply to you. I will endeavor to make it as SIMPLE and as straight forward as possible. I expect no more come backs from you on this subject. Because if you(and anyone else) can't understand my blunt words, it will not be much of a discussion.

 

First things first, lets talk about the point of having a discussion, note I'm saying a discussion not a conversation or slanging match. To have a successful and worthy discussion, both sides will have to listen(and hear) each other. Of course assumptions will be made but those assumptions need to be matched to the words of your opponent. If you're uncertain, if you don't understand or even if you think that your foe is talking total rubbish, the ettiqute of discussion dictates that you make your query or criticism in a subtle and civilised way. They are indeed just words on a screen, however, those words can paint a million master pieces; it would be a shame if the only master piece you've perfected was the SCREAM!

 

 

Secondly, lets talk about Politics. To discuss such a topic in such a public place, you really need to have some knowledge about the concept itself. The circumstances and the characters of the situation you're discussing would not really matter if you did not understand the actual concept or the basics of it. Again, this is a public forum, hundreds of people might be reading your words and you bet your life that many of them are more clued up on the subject matter than any of us are. These people and most of us, take part in such discussions to learn, benefit and expand our knowledge of certain political situations. We don't do it to whine and wring our hands( or at least I'd hope most of us don't)!

 

Now, back to the topic on hand, it's over six pages long! The bulk of those pages contains repetitive and pointless posts. Both sides know the points they're not agreeing on. They knew them before this thread was even started. They knew them for the past fourteen years. That particular section of the discussion has reached a stalemate long ago. Move on, nothing to see here, it's an ex-discussion! :mad:

 

I know I'm repeating myself here, but I'm hoping that if I kept on hammering at all of you(including the Somalilanders), maybe my constant nagging will make you see sense and raise the stakes a little. You see, I don't want to tire my eyes and fingers typing and reading the same stuff that I could have easily heard and listened to in any Somali coffee shop in any part of the world! For in such a place everyone is found. I don't want to listen to everyone! I want to listen to sound and well presented ideas. I want something new and different(as I'm sure all of you do too). So, will you people be able to raise your game or, will you be found wanting again?

 

Finally, I would like to remind you that this criticism is not directed at any one individual in particular, this is directed at ALL of you. I sincerely hope that you have the paitiance and foresight to take it in the spirit it was intended.

[Xoogsade]

Baashi, I agree with the points you raised and there will be no one usurping what doesn't belong to them if it comes to separation. That is how I think any bloodletting will be avoided.

 

I won't be around for a while to continue this conversation due to my studies, so I hope no one takes what I said personal. It is just my opinion and the way I see things will unfold if all parties continue spousing their current views and nothing changes. When times comes for settling these disputes, Southerners if matured politically will dictate the outcome of what Somalia looks like by getting invloved. It looks like that they will demand Only those Who want to go willfully Will be let go(if they can accept secession in the first place). This might become an international matter if it escalates to a war and the World(If they ever get involved which I think they WON'T) will tell the both parties to accept the will of others and bring a resolution through voting. Eventually, the seceding party might end up with less geography and find themselves alone or with few others. And the reason for that OUTCOME will be because Somali politics are tribal in nature, What used to be Somaliland in Coloinal times won't be acceptable on the basis that this must be resolved through tribal demands TODAY. The world already decided to stay out of Somali Business due to the nature of the conflict that is purely to them Family Oriented disputes. I am sure if there was some Minority ethnic groups who were not somalis, a sizable minority whom the world felt the need to protect and broker peace on their behalf lived in Somalia, Somalia wouldn't have stayed out of the World Community discussions for long. But because this is considered all around the world a family pickering and tribal feuds, Neither Somaliland was recognized nor forceful resolution to disputes were imposed on Somalis. There is no pressure at all from outside. Only few times in the past, Some leaders praised Somalilanders for putting their house in Order. Just a lip service and that is All. Also, I have seen some Missionary groups(in their websites) spoke on behalf of the North to buy themselves some footing in Hargeysa so they can spread christianity, but fortunately, these groups were booted out for their activity. So basically, No one cares about Somali issues except Somalis.

 

In the end I think, If there is a peaceful resolution to separation, the seceding party will have to accept Some defeat and call it victory while taking whatever they ended up with(mostly their pride and freedom from others as they wanted however odd this may sound). On the other side of the devide, they will have to accept a defeat and see some somalis depart with some Land. I don't think they will call what they ended up with a victory. Anyway you look at this, it is ugly, Unislamic, and based on what the prophet peace be upon him called "Stinky and Jahiliyah(pre-islamic doctrine). But then again if Somalis were true Muslims, nothing of this sort would have happened. So the beat must go on as it is, hateful and devisive. Back to square one. that is what I think and how I see these issues unfold.

 

I could be wrong and the outcome might be less problematic. And I wish good luck to all Somalis wherever they are. I would like to see Somalis leave each other alone in peace so they can prosper separately if they can't come to terms.

 

 

Og-Girl

 

Your tribe lives in a huge swath in Southern Somalia. You are as Somali as anyone can be, and you are welcome in Any part of Somalia. Only someone with biased mind considers your tribe to belong to somewhere else other than Somalia. To us you belong, We are from you as much as you are from Us. I came to respect you very much. Don't change your mind and views because others seem to live in a world of their Own Sis. A pluralist Somali like you is what we need. And your father is true Somali Muslim.

 

 

Rahima

 

Seems that we have the same political view One more A grade point in your book for me should I come knocking your door asking for your hand Sis

 

 

Ngonge

 

Saxib, You are a good man and wise. I hope the likes of you will bring Somalis in the North and the Ones in the South Together.

 

 

Xarago

 

You are wise yourself and thanks for the compliment. Good luck and Take Care.

[Salafi_Online]

***Shakes his head in disbelieve****

 

and you all praying behind each other?!?

[Kowneyn]

Xoogsade:

 

What makes you believe that if Somalia can put aside the clan divisions and unite as one people that Somaliland can't? After all we did not need the whole international community to baby sit us.

 

In my opinion if there is any group among Somalis that can live in harmony and justice its the Somalilanders. Its our internal matter, we will not need or ask for your help; because frankly speaking, we don't trust your sincerity nor do you have the skill when it comes to these matters.

 

I bet you will need some pointers and which we will gladly provide.

 

 

Kowneyn

[silent-sistah]

i read the last comment made by salafi-online.... and here i was thinking sonething attrocious went down...so i read all 7 pages of this topic....and all i see is with a slow start ,,,its not a bad discussion on such a sensetive topic,

 

most peole tend to get touchy and edgy and loose their cool when people start talking about their country in negative ways....

 

 

sue....me, u think alike sis...u said all i needed to say on this topic.

 

O_G. sis, i love your dreams....i used to be just like you,,,and still wish i was!

 

but i have come to learn of the great rifts between our people and the hatred that some hold against eachother,,,and that has made me come to the realisation--- to see all somalia unite will only be in my dreams..<---and what a sweet dream that is indeed.

 

i know, and i think most somalis are the same as me....if i saw a somali girl/guy being harrassed in the street, without knowing or asking about her/his tribe, my blood will boil and i will get involved, i would risk my own neck out for them-----why?, because the same blood runs in our veins,,,,we are all somalis wether we be from Somaliland or Somaliwayne - we dont need a country or a name to join us...we will always be one!

 

i just think if the warlords and rulers of the country gone find peace faster through seperation ..if the elders cant find it in their hearts and minds to 4give and 4get....then alls good....lets seperate and live in peace side by side!

 

i know my opinion aint much, and it aint gone build our country ,,,but ,,,there it is!

[Kowneyn]

Sistah-

 

May be we should send you as our own SOL representative, when Somalia and Somaliland finally sit down face to face. I think the sentiments you expressed is what would be needed.

 

Kowneyn

[Xoogsade]

Kowneyn

 

Like I said, I have no problem if Some somalis want to leave the rest alone. It is choosing the lesser of two evils that Somalis are going to deal with in the future when they come together as North vs South.

 

To address your question of whether you Northerners can sit and reach a deal on your own accord(I mentioned the international community like the UN because you guys are obsessed with it, so others will use the same venue to deny you what you want), I have nothing to lose If it(agreement between Northern clans) happens. I didn't want to see bloody conflicts anew in the first place. The only thing I am letting you do here is examine the facts on the ground without you being in denial of their existence. The impossibilities and difficulties that can come later on in the future need to be discussed now instead of later. You must at least plan What will your answers/reactions be later if things don't go your way? Ever thought about that? Wishful thinking won't solve problems for You. You must be realistic. And as you are a dedicated loyalist to the interest of his tribe, you must acknowledge that others who reside with you in the North belong to a different tribe and might have the same tribal loyalty to their own as you do. This is not to insinuate that others who live with you in the North can't decide for themselves if they wanted to stay with you in the end. I believe they are the ones who hold the key to peaceful separation really. They have Marital relations with you and have become more identified with you by other Somalis in many ways. However, You have to remember that Some people in the South will make an issue about the family connection they have with those who reside in the North. Do you get my point kowneyn? And try to be unemotional about these discussions. You can be simplistic and wish that isn't the case and all things will be good and easy, but the reality might be different in the future. You have asked for something extreme in the eyes of many Somalis. They are emotional about it although you might not care given your tribal sentiments. And to be honest with you, They are going to make this as difficult as they can. And as I pointed out in my previous post, things might end up as I predicted(although I could be wrong) if you insist on separation and the other Somali tribes who reside with you Don't save the Day by Deciding to stay with you.

 

 

I recommend to you and to other Northerners to be realistic when You talk to other Somalis about Secession. Somalis have no stomach for this. But if you insist on your ways, it might get ugly or it might not depending on how things go in the future. In the meantime , I pray to God that your success in that corner of Somalia continues unabating. I am just worried about the future and The possibility that the progress you guys made will be crushed by new conflicts. Back to square one again. I hope others will leave you alone if you insist on your warped demands. I also hope that you guys make the sound decision of accepting a deal for your interests if things don't go as planned. A winner takes all can't be a solution for somalis. The World doesn't care. It will be you versus Somalis who disagree with you.

 

My personal opinion is that this is wrong. I consider this to be a blow to Us Somalis. However, in the interest of All, I am willing to accept and advocate that you guys to be let go if you choose to. If you don't care about brotherhood and won't make a deal, if you can't forgive the past mistakes if others will admitt the wrong-doing, if you are living in the past with perpetuity, my conclusion as I said is, Let you and others call it a deal with fairness and to each his own. Just because we are somalis and are related, doesn't have to translate into unnecessary deaths over telling You to stay with the rest by force regardless of whether you have a justifiable cause and grievances like insecurity and fear about others or not. Something else to note in these somali politcs is, How Somalis are loyal to their tribes, So why should I single out one entity when most are emotional about their own tribes? After all, what brought us to this level is Tribalism and the Abuse of Power. All somali tribes have fear, mistrust and feel insecure about the other being in a more powerful position. Just look how most people in SOL are loyal tribesmen! Surely, they give you a pose and make you wonder what they would have done with uncontrolled power in their hands? They are obviously bias to their own. This rationale is part of what changed my mind over the years about Northerners seceding. If everyone is Crazy already, Why sinlge out another Crazy One huh? lol. The only difference I must Note here is that The rest of Somalis regardless of their bias, don't go as far as calling it quits. May be they don't have a history written by colonial powers for them that they can use as an excuse to be separate from other Somalis as you guys are doing, and they would have done it if they had. Who knows. Somalis deserve whatever they get.

 

 

Finally, You question my sincerity to shed a negative light on what I said. The truth is, I just gave my opinion. Whether you like it or not will depend solely on your views and how far down you have gone the Road to perdition i.e. tribal sentiments. Somalida waa is taqaan. They can't fool each other.

 

And you take care. Won't be around for a while. And I wish you good Luck Saxib.

[OG_Girl]

ethiopian 5 region will forever be ethiopia (somalilanders who live their will get citizenship of somaliland)

 

I wouldn't cry if ALL your clan move from refugee camps since 1988 to Hargeysa. Atleast we don't have to face "jasuuses" for Ethiopian ! :mad: . I even will help you to leave our region. You people good for nothing.

 

Salam

[Mali Girl]

oh my god ...... :eek: :eek:

 

ppl this is walahi unbelievable!!!!!!

 

you r making ur self smart while u r nothing dee

 

stop talking like dat ! oh my god dont u guys want

 

to be all together in our lovely country somalia!!

 

stop this somalia n somaliland thing u guys

 

all r somali wether u like it or not ....

 

OG Girl.. i am sick N tired of all this

 

backwards. we are as same as them because we care

 

about what these sick people saying

 

we should ignore them . they are full of hate n

 

they will pass their desease on us

 

damn it!!!!!!!!! have some rest of hating each

 

other .... this aint war !!! its just a web

 

:mad:

[Bachelor]

ethiopian 5 region will forever be ethiopia (somalilanders who live their will get citizenship)

I am afraid this time you sound like BUSH ON VIAGRA very scary and totally unpatriotic....I wouldnt mind had you been very realistic and said North somali will remain Somalia. I tell you this SXB you will witness sooner rather than later history your master Males Zenawi will be chased bare feet from that part of the region and WE will join union.

 

somaliland will soon be recoginze and become a soverign nation

bad joke but laughable indeed not to mention aWISHFUL THINKING i must say, though you have entitle to it since it is free to hallucinate i will respect that.

[Xarago]

Originally posted by OG_Girl:

I even will help you to leave our region. You people good for nothing.

Damn that hurts but coming from you, we will consider it as a child utterance.

Mida kale Soomaalida waxay ku mahmahda 'af caytama ninkisa (nagtisa) ayu ku yala.

[OG_Girl]

Mali Girl, they can't make me sick like them. My Dad tought me well. I can simply deffer between clan and Nation.

 

Bachelor, yes brother atleast They finally admit they are Clan , moving to Clan State.

 

Salam

[Qudhac]

I wonder what some people would do if somaliland cut the steady supply of CAANABOODHE to certain people in ethopia. they would panick i suppose.

 

 

talking of clan states, has anyone heard of phantom state called Ogadee*ia :eek: now that is clan phantom state or sub clan should i say.