Abdulladiif Al-Fiqih Posted February 25, 2009 ^What do you know about their leadership? None. Get informed Qalbi Dhagax before you talk about something you know nothing about. They need to die with their soldiers intey meelaha gabban lahaayeen I am not saying they should not fight sxb but did you know these four guys were alone not far away from Dhagaxbuur? Alone? Isn't that a suicidal and irresponsible? Hadii ay iyagga oo ciidankooda kagarabdagaalaya dhiman lahaayeen waxkahadal ah malahaateen taasi. War nimankani reero baas ood ********** ah ayeey heshiisiinayeen reerihii uunbaana soo jaajuusey wax ciidan ahna hal wiilbaa lasocdey . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg Posted February 25, 2009 ^ Not much, but they haven't been that successful in making the struggle a somali struggle rather than a 'o.ganden' struggle. Is the ONLF completely financed by o.gaden diaspora or are there others involved? Here a map of Somalia, showing that ONLF only control the areas of shilaabo. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47 /Somali_land_2007_05_18.png Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted February 26, 2009 Reading Mr. Qalbi's's post I came to the conclusion that he is both disillusioned and a careless fellow. Instead of pondering what can be done for O'gadenya today he went on hopeless literature assault against one of the very few organizations that are doing SOMETHING today. For one thing, ONLF is NOT an exclusive club as Mr. Qalbi suggests, anyone who wishes to participate in the organization and whose family resides in the O'gaden can become a member, secondly, ONLF is not a secret cult in which ,Its military operation is kept untold instead nearly every military victory is posted on the internet and other media outlets. A prime example is this. Reading the below passage from Mr. Qalbi attempt at literature script was interesting. What has the ONLF achieved? besides singing, and dancing like some brain-dead monkies. These guys are quite possibly the most useless resistance movement in the history of resistance movements. They have done no such thing, and somali's from other groups in somali galbeed don't want anything to do with the ONLF primates, those are the facts. Is the ONLF completely financed by o.gaden diaspora or are there others involved? Is there any city under their control? no. They are nothing more than tuugo who go around terrorizing somali villages. ONLF has been unsuccessful for years and have no made any gains simply because the rebel movement is a narrow minded clan movement. ONLF will continue to be nothing more than a nuisance to the ethiopian regime. They haven't been that successful in making the struggle a somali struggle rather than a 'o.ganden' struggle. They are interested in clan pride and hegemony like typical somali's. It’s really laughable to hear such ridiculous statements, especially coming from a supposedly well educated fellow. Such statements are expected from people who have mentally become cuckoo or who are desperate. It was equally laughable at how Mr. Qalbi foolishly tried to connect the dots between singing, dancing-luxury life-style and the ONLF. First , any one with his state of mind will agree that the Ethiopians are the # one enemy of Ogadeens for centuries, and they are responsible the suffering of our people . Secondly, any one who is man enough to sacrifice their life unlike most of us by taking arms against the enemy is a hero and needs to be supported and backed regardless of what they call them selves. Mind you ONLF is an independent organization in which its officers are drawn from the masses in the Ogadeens. It’s also helpful to remember that admired today by any person who sides with the Oppressed and fights for Freedom are the valiant fighters of the Ogadeens National Liberation Front (ONLF). Their great efforts and heroic deeds are all an Ogadeeni can possibly count on today; if O'gaden will become a free and independent country, this will be mainly due to the determined fight of the ONLF. However, if ONLF was/is built clanism or more ever if they did not know how their people are suffering as Mr. Qalbi would care to tell us it would have annihilated long time ago by itself. Again, mind you, ONLF is an Organization united by an ideology, not a tribe. It's members belong all kind of Somali tribes, even though O'gadeen tribe is the majority, but that doesn't mean ONLF belongs to only O'gadeen tribe. Having said that, there are those of us who think beyond tribal line. Therefore, perhaps Mr. Qalbi should double check his bold proclamations and then reflects on it. The writings of Mr. Qalbi look desperate. Instead of posting and posturing solutions to our problems he went on a time wasting exercise of writing up silly, confused, and wet rough draft. Lets just hope that his colleagues don’t read what he wrote. The citizens of O'gadenia pray for the social deviants- Jeesto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg Posted February 26, 2009 ^ You haven't provided anything other than your emotional opinion, are most of the top leadership of ONLF all from one clan? correct? why is it some somali groups are more willing to colloborate with ethiopians than work with ONLF? they clearly feel ONLF is not for their best interest, and ONLF must do something about that, number one solution changing the name and giving leadership positions to somali's from different clans that live in somali galbeed. Once you come up with broad and somali strategy of dealing with ethiopians, then everyone will support it. But right now, from the looks of things, ONLF just seems like a typical rag tag clan militias. Hell, I'm willing to donate some money and support the cause if it was organized and inclusive group. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted February 26, 2009 ^What have you done to free Somaligalbeed, and can't why other Somalis come up with broad and somali strategy of dealing with ethiopians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg Posted February 26, 2009 Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^What have you done to free Somaligalbeed, and can't why other Somalis come up with broad and somali strategy of dealing with ethiopians. Unfortunately, my immediete family doesn't live there, so i'm not affected as much. But as I said, I'm always willing to contribute if asked. Why don't you give us some suggestions on what the average jaamac can do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted February 26, 2009 ^Organize Somalis who believe in the cause, and build bridges with those that are actually doing waging the struggles.Alot of time, the lack of trust and misunderstanding comes from not mingling and talking with each other. You could help through fund raising, lobbying politicians, and pressuring media to expose the crimes committed against our ppl. For Non-Ocaden Somalis, instead of whining about the name, organize,and join the struggle.....sit down with ONLF to discuss the future including the name issue? Quick q, do other Somalis ever sit down with ONLF horta? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nephissa Posted February 26, 2009 He will always be our hero and always in our thoughts. A brave soul, indeed! Allaha Yarhamu Rahameeen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted February 27, 2009 It is crucial to notate that the O'gaden National Liberation Front-ONLF has done everything in their power to unshackle the chains of occupation and oppression in the O'gaden region. These men and women are not only engaged in a military war against the unconstitutional government of Ethiopia , but also a political one. Decolonization is a painful and difficult process that requires more than using force and weapons to defend and emancipate a country. The O'gaden war between Somalia and Ethiopia is a great example as to why a political war is just as decisive as a military one. The ONLF is establishing prominent relationships, connecting with influential countries, and declaring our independence to the world both on and off the battlefield. The exclusive right to control a government, a country and its people requires more than a successful military machine; it requires the use of tactics and strategy to gain and establish a powerful relationship with influential countries, and organizations within the international community. The fate of O'gadenia rests on the ONLF, and its success will not be measured by how well they fight to make it sovereign, but also how well they fight to keep its sovereign. Their interaction with other countries and organizations today will ensure their success against outside influences tomorrow! Mr.Qalbi is in a state of confusion, hence why he believes that: ONLF is like a typical rag tag clan militias When the ONLF is in fact strategizing on a course of action that will lead us to our victory beyond the battleground. You can’t have a house with just a roof, the same way you can’t have sovereignty with only military conquest. The fate of our region is contingent on more than one pillar, and how we establish these pillars will determine our success in either thriving like Kosovo or failing like Somaliland! It is also essential to stress that the ONLF may not wish for a "broad and somali strategy of dealing with ethiopians, in which everyone will support it" as he would like us to believe, they ARE moving the coveted self-determination ideal forward with out standing advancement that put many military strategies and tactics to shame! It doesn’t take a genius to acknowledge the accomplishments attained by the ONLF with their prevailing policies and proceedings. I honestly believe he is ill equipped with the fundamental knowledge and wisdom required to write about the ONLF or their objectives. His thoughts and ideas are the consequence of bias and prejudice information that arose from limited research and sources. Individuals who are informed on the platform of the ONLF and politics in general, would have been too ashamed to ask the questions that were asked by Mr.Qalbi. An individual who goes out of his way to incorporate words like “broad and Somali stategy” should know better than bringing silly arguments which are based on fallacious garbage that lacks candor and dependability like: They are nothing more than tuugo who go around terrorizing somali villages. He has proven his knowledge of the English language, but when will he prove his knowledge of politics and the guiding principles of common sense?. I’m interested in knowing when we stopped blaming the perpetrators of these crimes, and started blaming the only individuals in the region (and the world) who sought to do something about these crimes? The stup!dity of that particular statement almost deterred me from responding to his posts. When it comes to the problems in the region, he holds a doctorate in listing them, but when it comes to listing beneficial solutions as a means of overcoming these problems, he proves to be limited. These limitations are confirmed by a few more inane and idiotic questions like: why is it some somali groups are more willing to colloborate with ethiopians than work with ONLF?” And What has the ONLF achieved? The ONLF is the only body making a difference in the region, and since he is in opposition to their policy and tactics, why doesn't he devise different methods and means to liberate our people? What is standing in his way? It’s obvious he thinks he can do a better job than the ONLF, so why doesn’t he? Why did he insist on writing this geberidh one line posts, when he should have spent his time writing a policy devoted to the liberation of our region? I have decided that he is all talk and no action! He needs to start contributing to the cause sitting behind a screen criticing those who have is not good enough! His lack of contribution lost him the credibilty to speak of our region and behalf of the population in the region, not to mention the integrity to question the ONLF and their policies! number one solution changing the name and giving leadership positions to somali's from different clans that live in somali galbeed ^^Is the last opinion Mr.QAlbi got and it is the one that shines light on his posts a whole. The people and their unfortunate circumstance is not the issue, nor the resonthat inspires him to post. The name of the region is the princible rreason he chose to bore us with these opinions and ideas. The ONLF is not the heart of the argument, as was once perceived but what that O in the name i represents. The term O'gaden has been depicted as a malignat tumor in the minusculminds of men and women who continou to elevate its significance above the heartbreaking condition in our oppressed torn region. As always, I'm fighting the urge to throw up! He uses unification as grounds to defend his opinion on account of changing the name of the region from O'gadenia to “something more unifying”. For some strange reason, I was under the impression that oppression was a better reason for unification than what a region outside our control was dubbed. What could I have been thinking? How silly of me! Lets entertain this idea for a minute and articulate changing the name from O'gadenia to little Somalia . Is it lawful? Geographically renaming a state that is outside your control is as effective as renaming a child who doesn’t belong to you. As of today, O'gadenia is under the control of Ethiopia, and renaming it is out of the question. The name was given to the region by colonial powers, and it is because of colonial powers that forbid us from changing it. Since we’re exploring possibilities, let’s argue that Meles Zenawi was kind enough to allow the ONLF--who happen to be at war with him--to change the name of a region that is undergoing genocide; what will change? Will we miraculously become independent? Will those who stood on the sideline under the guise of exclusion immediately join us to defend the struggle and forward the liberation movement? What guarantee do we have that changing the name will result in a unification that should have been formed under the banner of ending oppression? The population as a whole is suffering from the same tyranny and enduring the same problems despite their tribe, gender and age. So if unification was implausible under the umbrella of liberation and freedom for ALL, why is it plausible under the umbrella of altering the name? You are welcome to argue that the regime is targeting a single tribe, the ONLF was created for the sole purpose of that tribe, and the other tribes who live there are unaffected by the campaign of cruelty and oppression that is unleashed in the region. Changing the name in order to inspire other groups to join the single-tribal cause would then make sense; doing so would actually make his argument practical, not to mention credible. However, this is not the case. Other groups in the region are suffering as much as the O'gaden tribe and the name is not the cause of this oppression; the right to exist in a region controlled by a tyrant is. The more we stop seeing the name as some kind of a magic pill that will result in a astonishing victory, the more we’ll be able to unite under one cause and free the region from a demented dictator in Addis Ababa. I wonder which is more important to him and his ilk, the oppression or the name. Ultimately, Mr.Qalbi's judgment to change the name of the region for the purpose of unity makes him naive and his argument impractical. He dedicates an entire posts to tribalism. He makes an issue out of the fact that the ONLF is predominantly supported by the O'gaden tribe and how this tribe is the backbone of the organization. It is true that the majority of the population in the region is O'gaden (hence the name). It is also true that the ONLF is predominantly O'gaden, and so are their supporters. What does this have to do with anything? This is as ridiculous as commenting on the predominant race in the U.S population and the government as a means to discredit the Obama administration. He concludes in his last post with Hell, I'm willing to donate some money and support the cause if it was organized and inclusive group. What is that he could do for the cause when out of one side of his mouth he says he is willing to support ONLF but the RESULTS of the policies he supports give victory to Ethiopians, victory to Isticmaarka aan ku jirno? Even worse in fact is the tone of his position. In terms of tone he obviously supports almost everyone who opposes O'gadens' positions in the world. Matterr of fact , I never hear him here condem the mindless killing led by Tigre and to that handling of innocent civilian to the Wayane. If someone asks he will say he opposes it but its always half hearted and after he has been questioned about it. The ONLF welcomesindividuals who are interested in making a difference in the region, despite their tribe, gender or age! One indication that an individual is intellectually deficient is when he starts using inadequate premise to defend a hopeless conclusion. What a waste of time! During the revolutionary war, Americans were divided into different ethnic groups but chose to unite to fight a revolutionary war despite these differences. They won their war, not because George Washington begged or bribed them, but because their desire to become independent overpowered their desire to sit back and wait for an official invitation. If our civilians do not wish to join forces with the ONLF to end an undignified subjection, then that is their problem. I refuse to entertain the idea of bribing these individuals to make a difference in their OWN lives! The last time I checked, God did not give the ONLF a direct order to come to the rescue of the Somali population in the region. These men and women CHOSE to transform the region and to dramatically change the situation for the betterment of their people! Their representation should not be mistaken for an attempt to dissolve the people of their responsibilities; each man is responsible for himself and his family! If individuals in the region refuse to contribute to the cause, then whatever fate befalls them is their own doing. The ONLF is doing their part, when will Mr.Qalbi and those like him join the fight? When will the unjustified criticism end and the resourcefulness begin? I am sick and tired of hearing condescending demands from raving id!ots whose only contribution to the region is to deplete Meles Zenawi of war crimes. Their obsession with the name given to the region is sickening and their assertion for speaking on behalf of the people in the region is insulting. The people in the O'gaden want individuals who comprehend their struggle to speak for them, not individuals who pretend to understand their struggle as a method of attack against the ONLF. Mr.Qalbi is using the people in the region as an excuse to show aggression towards the ONLF, not because of their policies, but because of the intimidation the name that was given to the region presents. He and others like him harbor the mistaken belief that the ONLF is responsible for giving birth to a name that was given to the region more than a hundred years before the ONLF came into existence. The ONLF derives its name from the region. The O represents the region and its inhabitants; it does not represent the O'gaden tribe! The sooner individuals like Mr.Qalbi act in accordance with the governing laws of logic and reason, the better! I want to judge the individuals like Mr.Qalbi as rational and sensible beings, and until they give me a reason to, I can’t afford to see them as anything more than the product. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg Posted February 27, 2009 ^ Clearly one of us is more invested in this argument than the other, but alas you have not brought forth anything of substance. I didn't read much of what you wrote, but on the issue of a name change. You should know that the name "ONLF" is relatively new and the movement started in the 80's from what I've read. Before that, it was the WSLF(western somali liberation front) that was the biggest and most successful rebel movement in the somali galbeed region, granted they were supported by somalias government at the time. But the point is, the name can be changed and the structure of the organization needs to be changed as well to a more inclusive movement. There is no one restricting the ONLF to keep the name the same, but they choose to because they see somali galbeed region as their 'land' and not somali land. That's the point of contention here, it's the prevailing attitudes of O people in the region and diaspora, and largely the ONLF leadership etc and the way the movement has largely driven a wedge between somali people. Now you can say, these other somali groups should not be concerned about the name but about the occupation of their land. This is true from a logical standpoint, but the problem is these people are human and for them to get involved in large numbers, there needs to be proper incentive and they need to know that their voices will matter. They don't want to replace one occupier(ethiopia) with another( ONLF), whether that occupier is your fellow somali is largely irrelevant to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted March 2, 2009 Stating that to gain Independence the people have to be united is one thing, but claiming that O'gaden population are composed of different tribes and they will not have independence is so wrong, far away from the reality. By saying so, you are ignoring many respected Somali communities in the region who fight for their freedom more than the O'gaden tribe does. Somali people in O'gaden are one and live side by side. They are not enemy to one another. There are few occasional skirmishes between communities started by those who work for the enemy and It's the black colonial power who are using the tribalism card to their advantage by commanding its stooges to stir trouble between close communities but they mainly fail because people know that their real enemy is the black colonial 'Gumaysi' and the 'Gumaysi' alone!! There are hundreds of Somalis across clan lines who fight and die in O'gadenia every day to liberate their land from black colonial power.The sacrifice , the suffering is enormous, and the reason they fight is for one and one goal which is just to liberate their land from the the colonial power. Please try to understand the Somali liberation movements specialy in the O'gaden Somali region, not from the prism of tribal affliation, but in the light of humanity, and Somali people. Your last point that you raised is timely, but I am not sure how serious you are to follow through it. In other words, the subject matter is critical and it requires a lot of maturity and sensitivity. I am not saying that you are going to offend some one, hardly. What I am saying is, such issues require our collective sober analysis and much deeper soul searching. This is not something we can cure with emotionally charged comments based on our fears and prejudices. Most of all, we should not use such issues to launch our ignorance or our arrogance. Now, allow me to go back to your original point: They don't want to replace one occupier(ethiopia) with another( ONLF), whether that occupier is your fellow somali is largely irrelevant to them. Here, you seem to be critical of O'gaden and non-O'gaden politcal/armed organization. Do you believe they are all O'gaden Somalis?If so what rights do they have as nationals? How much do you know about their life style besides festival dances? How many high level pro-ONLF and pro-Ethiopian government officials do you know that represent them from either side? What is their grievances to begin with? But before you ponder such questions let me lay down some background as to why simple problems are blown out of proportion and why we are having a hard time resolving simple conflicts and identifying the root cause. This is not particularly O'gaden or none O'gaden issue but it seems to be much bigger than that and it is affecting the whole Somali nation. And what is that expected of us? First, it is paramount to recognize that the region's current problem is a political problem and it requires a political solution. But a political solution demands maturity, flexibility, sensitivity, tolerance, and trust. Equally there has to be a conducive atmosphere for such engagement to foster. But in our situation we know such thing do not exitst. So if we do not have a political solution for a political problem, then what is that we need to do? What alternative methods do we have in the absence of politcal solution? A question we need to ask our self. Second, in most communities, there are those who command great respect and trust of their fellow citizens. Such icons serve as conduits or medium to establish communication between two warring parties. These are elders, religious leaders, respected individuals who serve as negotiators and facilitators. But in today's Somali nation, such people do not exist. If they do, they have already left the country and they are watching like the rest of us from the other side of the fence. We also know the pro-Ethiopian government parties are allergic to anyone who has influence/respect from the people and they do not recognize or acknowledge any body to be an authority figure. It is always their way or the highway. Thus, in the absence of such great men, how do we ensure that concerns and grievances are addressed? How do we reapproach differences? Third, in todays Somali nation justice is one of the endangered species. But nowadays, justice has become synonymous with revenge. Generation of young men and women who are abused, tortured, neglected, enslaved, and humiliated for long time are eagerly waiting for their “justice”. Thus, the current system created a generation of collective victim mentality. Young men and women, when given the opportunity they will not hesitate to take revenge. Problems are individualized, personalized, made between sects and regions, to create the seed of mistrust and dishormony. So, instead of addressing the main issues, we are witnessing a compartmentalized problems. So how do you break such cycles of victim mentality and refocus those in bondage to create a velvet or orange revolution? Instead of individualizing the problems how do you make them see the big picture? Fourth, war and blood shed are not new to O'gaden Somalis. Every house hold bears the brunt scars it left behind for many decades. They know the destruction in life and property it brings. No one abhors war more than O'gaden Somalis. Many young and old Ogadeens who had enough of it, are crossing the border in droves and never looked back agian. Thus, someone who came from such background, what would cause them to point a gun at their country men? Some one who abhors war, why would they think they could find peace with a gun? Those carry the gun, why wouldn't they just cross the border and disappear like the rest? Do you think this is some thing extraordinary or just simply power play? I do believe it is more than just carrying a gun. It is easy to point a finger and condemn any armed wing or opposition groups but it is hard to place your self in their shoes. That is why I said it is going to require more than emotional reactions. And most of all, no one is advocating for war. But it would be helpfull for all of us, to discover, what would drive some one to kill his brothers. This is not something you did not know about, but I am trying to put things in prespective. At the same time, think about methods of conflict resolution and what should be our roll ? should we inflame the situation more or act as mediums? It is all up to us. Thanks- Jeesto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Zack Posted March 4, 2009 Hadal ay ka jeedisay tacsidii aabaheed Dr.Dolaal Gabadhiisa Sagal halkan ka akhriso: Kobtan Guji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MZanzi Posted March 4, 2009 Allaha unaxariisto ,,aamiin PS, QALBI Adeyg adiga bahasha qaybalada la dhaho weey kugu fogaatay ee biinso inta so qaadatid booloshan qabyaalada ah oo qalbiga kaaga qufulan iska DABCI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg Posted March 4, 2009 ^ Qabyaalad yaa ka hadlaya chiefette? Does critizing ONLF mean critizing the o clan? no. Let's stop with this pointless sensitivities and be able to discuss any important topic without accusing people of having grudges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites