Why are the elders now meeting TFG not Ethiopian officers?

[General Duke]

If as some say, the TFG is irrelevent and the Ethiopians are running the show then why have the clan elders who used to support the "insurgents" chosen now to meet with the TFG leadership?

 

Why have they done this after the defeat of the militias and the catastrophic battles which caused so much suffering to our people?

 

These men and their speakers Ahmed Diriye, Abdullahi Shiekh Xasan & Qoorgab were central in the recent conflict.

 

One of their known tactics was to give interviews highlighting deals they "supposidly" made with unknown Ethiopian officers.

 

Their supporters used this as evidance that the Ethiopians were in charge and that the TFG was irrelevent.

 

Many of us on the other side exposed on many occasion their naked lies to no avail.

We clearly showed that there was never a statement, interview or a press release from the Ethiopians to back up these claims.

 

In fact there was always a preperation for a final show down between the government and this group.

 

Oh well another myth gets removed.

 

So the question now is, why are they meeting the TFG now wehen they refused before?

[Gordon Gekko]

lol. Figures.

[General Duke]

Muqdisho: Madaxwaynaha Soomaaliya iyo odayaasha beesha...... oo kulan u socdo.

29. april 2007

 

Muqdisho(AllPuntland)-Xarunta madaxtooyada dawladda Soomaaliya waxaa ka soconaya kulan ay leeyihiin odayaasha iyo waxgaradka Beesha **** iyo madaxwaynaha Soomaaliya iyo xubno ka tirsan dawladda..

 

Sida uu AllPuntland u sheegay masuul dawladda ka tirsan kulankan ayaa waxaa uu yahay mid looga wada hadlayo sidii dawladda hawleeda loo sii amba qaadi lahaa iyo sidii beesha waxyaabaha ay tirsanayso ay usoo bandhigto.

 

Madaxwaynuhu dhowr goor oo hore ayuu arkay odayaasha beeshan , hase ahaatee wax lataaban karo kama soo bixin.

 

Kulankan ayaa saxaafadda laga hor joogsaday, waxaana la filayaa in natiijooyinka kasoo baxa dawladdu ay ka waranto.

 

Warar horudhac ah oo aan helayno ayaa sheegaya in la filayo in is afgaradyo ay kasoo baxaan .

 

CCC Farayaamo

AllPuntland

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Do you wish that the elders didn't had any meetings with the TFG? Or are you insulting the elders???????

[General Duke]

^^^No just highlighting the hypocracy. Elders are the backbnone of the governemnt for example Imaan Mohamoud Imaan Umar has been meeting the TFG from the begging.

 

These men should have used common sense before now. If they opposed the governemnt ten days ago why meet them now?

 

What has changed?

[Tahliil]

The coditions set by the EU and Frazer is included that the TFG sits and reconciles with the different groups of the Somali politics thus the reason for the three times postponed reconcilaition conference

 

It should occur to u that the TFG has been forced to sit and talk with theSE different clan elders in Muqdisho and even to some extent with the moderate leaders of the former IUC by the Eu's decision of withholding the Funds it promised to the TFG....For the Yeey vampires to recieve the funds they have to meet with the requirements...first one: Meet with the clan elders, 2nd the conference...and so on...don't think that YEEY the vampire is sitting with Muqdisho elders out of his good heart (liver)..and for the greater welfare of the Somali citizen....IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY...NOW..LOOTING IN OTHER WORDS

[General Duke]

^^^Now you are hiding behind the EU & US who yestreday were your enemies and were in your account using the AC130's to bomb the thugs in Mogadishu.

 

Also dont pass little white lies around the reconciliation conference was only postponed once from 14th April to 16 June, and it was done so in order to secure Mogadishu.

 

There is no condition on the TFG other than secure Mogadishu which alhamdulilah is being done.

 

These old men refused to meet the TFG and instead met hailed meetings they supposidely held with Ethiopean officers.

 

Now they meet with the TFG a few days after the defeat of these groups.

 

Come on add things up, its quite an easy summ.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Duke

 

It doesn’t necessary mean that the elders support the TFG or fully agree with the TFG by having meetings with them. The TFG won’t hesitate to tell the Ethiopians to shell way indiscriminately again, if the resistance continues. As for the sake of the people, and Somalia as a whole, it’s best if they tried to come to a common ground with the TFG. It’s funny how all those who come through power and corruption fall due to corruption and power.

 

The sooner the Ethiopians leave the better. Now tell them to start backing, because the AU troops are already in Somalia, the rest either don't want to deploy their troops to Somalia or they simply are lacking financial support. Either ways, that isn’t a reason for Ethiopia to remain in Somalia.

[General Duke]

^^^

I welcome this new step and the change of heart from these men, one does not have to support the TFG at all, but one should not hide behidn the gun. Set up political parties and wait for your chance

 

The Ethiopians will leave soon insha Allah.

So lets get our act together, let every clan bring their finest and build up the national forces.

 

Let us secure our borders, or ocean and sea. Our air space, our roads.

 

Let us move forwward and give everyone an opportunity.

 

Let those in exile come back to their country, to their Mogadishu, Kismayu, and what ever area they may choose.

 

Let the talented in the diaspora return even if it is for a holiday to show their children how beautiful their land is.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Duke

 

Behind the Gun? Politically, the TFG was inept and powerless, but with the gun it transformed. Still I only praise political parties, which are well organized, well financed and have members which are both well capable of leading and protecting the people they represent. The TFG isn’t that organization. It came to power through the barrel of the gun, and its members aren’t what I would call “leaders".

 

You kept insisting that Ethiopians will leave soon few months ago. When is soon? 5 years from now? We could certainly get our act together, but only when the Ethiopian troops return to their nation.

[Tahliil]

Wisdom-Seeker I think u r missing the point...Ethiopians are here to stay(PERIOD)..but what am questioining is the competence of these bloodsuckers, yeey thugs and yeey vampires collectively..Whome we r entrusting with our own nation..

 

To so many who oppose these illigitimate Ethiopian agents, oppose not because of Qabiil but fundemently opposers believe that these thugs can never get anything right and history backs up their contention....each one of them has a track record of death and destraction...this (nation building, peace, reconstruction, nationalism)is not their field...what they r good at is warlordism and killing... and as u can see on ur screen daily, they r doing a heck of fine job in that by killing thousands...displacing hunderds of thousands and inflicting horrible pain and suffering on Somali moms and their own babbies...that's their own Curriculum Vitae and that's exactly why these Sadamists have been handpicked and selected by the ethiopians some yrs back...to maime the Somali Nation compeletly.

 

I am not the least expecting a mircle from these thugs...it's like asking an undertaker to perform a triple by pass open heart surgery on you...simply not qualified...u gotta have a surgeon for that...right?? what's happening is no different man...we r defending, expecting, and asking the wrong crowd (thugs and warlords) to operate on us....and consequently we r bleedin everywhere...

[Wisdom_Seeker]

They can’t stay forever tahliil, that’s completely impossible. However, if they wish to linger around, than the TFG will only lose the people which had little hope in them, the resistance will get stronger, and the violence will return more popular, man-power and well prearranged. The Ethiopians along with their slaves will perish or the Somali people will. I am well aware of the incompetence of the TFG members. There isn’t a single one which has a brain cell which functions normally, they have confirmed that themselves. But for the moment, let’s use them as stairs. Puppets aren’t gifted at getting things right or doing anything right for that matter. We have passed the stage of clannish mindset, at least some of us have. People from all walks oppose the TFG. Even non-Somalis see that the TFG is only competent at supporting Ethiopians who massacre innocent Somalis and demolish the Somali nation even more. They’re in no way motivated by nationalism or Islam, but rather money and the greedy to obtain more of it.

 

I don’t expect anything from the TFG, but I expect people with political knowledge to play manipulative politics with the TFG. Most of them aren’t educated about democracy and the political game played today. They’re familiar with dirty politics, which involves bribery and assassination old African style. Ethiopian isn’t as bad as America which makes Ethiopia as powerful and influential in Somali politics today.

 

It is time to play smart……

[General Duke]

The Ethiopians will not stay for a long period. They do not have the mandate by the international community nor the resources for a prelonged stay.

 

They dealt with a real and present danger the Arab backed Eritrean led Clan courts movement was directed at them. Even the clan courts leadership made overblown threats against Ethiopia on a daily basis. What gave them such confidance ummmmmmm?

 

Now the TFG has the room, mandate and money localy generated or from the donors to reconstitute a real national police and armed forces. A 60,000 figure has been circuled for a while.

 

The heavy armour in the case of Tanks, and BM's now can be purchased by the TFG.

 

What will last is a close relationship between, Yemen, Kenya and Ethiopia with the new Somali state as they have been the backbone to the international support.

 

Thus the reality is the TFG has done its homework, it won long before the Ethiopain armour ever arrived.

 

1. Because it gained internationa support whichw as key to any military move.

2. It outplayed all its political rivals domesticly, by dividing them and taking them out one by one at a time of its choosing.

 

Thus now the old mouth pieces of the anti-governemnt groups have now changed their tone.

A developement I warmly welcome.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Duke

 

Last time I checked, neighboring countries weren’t allowed to interfere in Somalia, yet Ethiopia did. Ethiopia doesn't have the permission to be in Somalia today, but they are there aren’t they, in spite of what the international world says.

 

Real danger? LOL! It was the other way around. America backed Ethiopia is a threat to Somalia and will always be. They made threats about Ethiopians in Somali soil . What gave them the confidence they needed was American support and orders, not the Islamic Courts. We have enough gun-men, care to tell us how many hospitals or shelters are going to be built? How clean water, food and basic necessities are going to be brought to the people who the Ethiopians made homeless?

 

The only thing the TFG should purchase is medicine and food for the needy. Yemen, Ethiopia and Kenya, three slaves of America, how wonderful and the supporters of warlords and killers.

 

The TFG only got international attention thanks to the Islamic Courts upraising. America rotated its neck 360 degree. America didn’t actually pay attention to the TFG, until the ICU came to power. All you have to mention is Islam, Shariah Law and America will support anyone who will counter-attack that group. People are only anti-government because of the overwhelming control Ethiopia has on the TFG.

[General Duke]

^^^I agree the TFG gained the support of the US due to the ignorance of the Eritrean backed clan courts. The whole thing [Courts] was not well thought through, it was arsh reaction to Yusuf victory in 2004.

 

As for the Ethiopian military it is there on the request of the legitimate governemnt to aid it in a time of need. You might want to hide that fact or like the "elders" who are the main topic of this thread play down the importance of this fact. The TFG requested support from any quarter and the Ethiopians came, due in part to their concern against the Eritrean led group backed by the Arabs.

 

Thus their presence is not illegal, controversal yes but not without the backing.

 

Thats why you do not get the UN security council demanding their imediate withdrawl.

They ahve also made it clear they will leave when the AU troops arrive. The AU troops themselves have only a limited mandate before UN troops arrive.

 

Its a short term answer to a short term problem, an occupation it is not.

 

The main reason some get uptight about all this is because the Ethiopian armour gives an unfair advantage to the TFG

 

But as you know life itself is not fair.