Jacaylbaro Posted November 29, 2007 I think they are just loosing a lot of what the believe ,,,,,, Shariah and secularism can't go along and one of them should go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted November 29, 2007 If they don't compromise and work together then there will a fitna and other enemy nations will support " secular" vs " Islamists". The Islamic faction in Algeria dropped their claims for a full shariah Islamic state and agreed to compromise with the government and take part in elections. Likewise, Hezbollah and Hamas have dropped their claims for attacking overseas targets and again dropped claims for a fully Islamic state, thus choosing to work with Lebanese government. Eve though Fatah is secular, Hamas still don't mind working with them for the common good of the Palestinians people, because hadi kale cadowga will make gains from them. If the Ethiopians leave, then Sheikh Shariff and co have work with secularists in the T.F.G. That is not because they have to like each other, but simply for the sake of avoiding bloodshed and attempting to create some sort of unity. As for Alshabab, they are another story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted November 29, 2007 Let's not talk about alshabab. Yes they are another story but one think they're right about is their stance towards those seculars. Sh. Sharif is not compromising anything but part of the diin and that is not the right thing. Even if all the world comes against him he shouldn't compromise any of his believes or diin. The story of Hamas is another one ,,, they made their own party and decided to take part of the elections. Same goes with Algeria ,,, once they won then you know what happened in the 90s and how the elections were cancelled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted November 29, 2007 Let me give you an example: Lets say they was a some Islamic Sheikhs in Somaliland and the Somaliland government invited them to take part in the political process. Which would the most appropriate choice: 1. Sheikh boycotts this and say that Somaliland entity is Secular Kufar and that by taking part in democracy, elections and working with seculars;they would be compromising their Islamic cerdentials. or 2.The Sheikhs work with seculars in the hope of trying to have a little Islamic influence and the general unity of the people? If we are saying Islamists can't never work with secular people, then my friend the whole Muslim world will be in turmoil.....the people who are claiming this don't work with Sufis and even their own Salafis who follow slightly different agenda.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armchair Politician Posted November 29, 2007 Sheikh Sharif Ahmad was always pro-consensus and reaching across clan and ideological lines. Read any of his many speeches and interviews during the UIC era in Mogadishu. The former al-Ittihad in the UIC (Turki, Ayrow and Aweys) wanted a more aggressive approach, and they pushed hard for expansion and going on the offensive. They muscled Sheikh Sharif, the Executive chairman, from control of the Shura and once they had the Shura council they went on their Jihad. At first things went well, but in the end they just made too many enemies. Now, the two "factions" of the UIC, the Consensus faction and the Jihad faction, are pursuing their "way", not opposed but somewhat in competition. Both want to prove that their way is what will get the Ethiopians out of Somalia. If Ayrow and Turki and their fellows drive the Ethiopians and TFG out by force of arms, they will be vindicated, and they will be in charge, and the Asmara group will come back and meekly follow their orders. If on the other hand Ayrow and Turki don't get anywhere and it is a diplomatic solution that is victorious, the opposite will occur. In a way, it's sort of the UIC equivalent of the Democrats and the Republicans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted November 29, 2007 There is a difference to use the existing system and forming your own party to take part of the elections and forming a party with some other secular politicians Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted November 29, 2007 Kudos SheikhaJacaylka for remaining true to your [elected official] leaders and clansmen. Most of people like to distance the heinous and evil characteristics of their leaders while holding others to a different higher standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armchair Politician Posted November 29, 2007 The Alliance for the Reliberation of Somalia is exactly that, an alliance. The UIC and ex-TFG parliamentarians are allied together to "reliberate" Somalia. They did not merge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted December 1, 2007 Originally posted by Thierry: AP nice one Camiir no Hypocrisy from the good sheikh mate he is speaking the truth. Shabbaab are a problem in Somalia and their agenda is different from that of the UIC What is their agenda? AP sees things form a different perspective. I don't think he understands the complexity of these groups and their refashioned names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted December 1, 2007 I think nothing is hidden in Somalia situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites