Would you believe this.....?

[Jumatatu]

During the last months of his tenure President Barre ( Allah uu naxaariste) went to consult one of his many fortune-tellers. Barre told him that he did not like the direction things were going and said he wanted to know what the future holds for him.The fortune-teller asked whether Barre was ready for the truth and able to handle it. And the answer was affirmative. The fortune-teller told Barre that he was coming to an end in his rule of Somalia. But what Barre was more interested in was what will happen after him. And the fortune-teller told President Barre that the country will go into turmoil and witness tribal war at its worst magnitude, and that he will be followed by four men who will either be elected or claim to be presidents of Somalia and that both them and their immediate deputies will have the letter C (cayn) starting with their names or common names. Only after the end of time for these four Presidents will Somalia be able to recover and led by a leader who will lead his country(Somalia) to prosperity .

I think now we can assume the four being :

1)Cali Mahdi and Cumar cartan

2)Caydiid Garad and C/raxman Tuur

3)C/qasiim and Cali Khalif

4) C/llahi Yusuf and Cali M. Geedi

 

Therefore we should not worry (that is if we believe in what fortune-tellers predict) we are at the end of the turmoil as the tenure pn C/llahi and Cali Geedi is coming to an end pre-maturely. But I wonder who could be that promised leader.....?

[Haddad]

I wouldn't. Simply, no human can foretell the future; that's what Islam teaches. Why is it fortune-tellers aren't rich? Because they can't use their powers to enrich themselves? Why do they charge meagre dollars to foretell? This topic might have made a sense were it in the Jokes section.

[wind.talker]

Awww JUMA,

 

I thought you were more logical than that. I pity your desperation - don't let Somali politics get to you so much, sxb. Not healthy. Good luck, though.

[Rahima]

Have a read of this Juma-the question is different but the issue is basically the same.

 

Hopefully after this we will all have a clear stance on this matter.

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Question :

 

 

my mother recently went to a fortune teller (which she is definetly not supposed to because it's haraam) and she was telling me that the fortune teller said that i will have a bad life if i marry my soon-to-be husband and that we will not stay together for more than 2 years.... i know that only Allah knows the future but i've been really worried by what she said....and what can i do to potentially "reverse"this from happening.... really i'm so confused i don't know what to think.

 

Answer :

 

Praise be to Allaah.

 

Firstly: may Allaah reward you for your belief that Allaah alone knows the unseen – this is what we hope for you and for every sincere Muslim woman – and this is one of the essentials of faith in Allaah Alone.

 

But we wonder how, after saying this, you can be afraid of one who knows nothing of the unseen?

 

You have to be assured and put your trust completely in Allaah, for nothing will happen to you except that which has been decreed by Allaah.

 

Secondly:

 

The ruling on fortune-telling, i.e., soothsaying, and claiming to know the unseen, is that these are actions which condemn a person to Hell and put him beyond the pale of Islam.

 

Thirdly:

 

Fortune-tellers cooperate with the jinn; they are liars who cooperate with the shayaateen (devils), who do not help them except after they have changed their religion, and whoever changes his religion [leaves Islam] is to be executed. The ruling concerning those who go to them and believe them is that they are guilty of kufr; if they do not believe them, their prayers will still not be accepted from them for forty days.

 

The evidence (daleel) for the former is the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever goes to a fortune-teller and believes what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.†(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 135; Abu Dawood, 3904; Ibn Maajah, 639; Ahmad, 9252. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/49), and al-Dhahabi agreed with him. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said, it has two corroborating reports narrated by al-Bazzaar with good isnaads. See al-Fath, 10/217)

 

The evidence (daleel) for the latter is the report from one of the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever goes to a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, his prayers will not be accepted for forty days.†(Narrated by Muslim, 2230).

 

Fourthly:

 

How the fortune-teller gets his “information†was explained in the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Allaah decrees a matter in heaven, the angels beat their wings in submission to His words, making a sound like a chain striking a rock. When the fear is banished from their hearts, they say, What is it that your Lord has said? They say: The truth, and He is the Most High, the Most Great. Then the one who is listening out hears that, and those who are listening out are standing one above the other†– Sufyaan [one of the narrators] demonstrated with his hand, holding it vertically with the fingers outspread. – “So he hears what is said and passes it on to the one below him, and that one passes it to the one who is below him, and so on until it reaches the lips of the soothsayer or fortune-teller. Maybe the meteor will hit him before he can pass anything on, or maybe he will pass it on before he is hit. He tells a hundred lies alongside it, but it will be said, Did he not tell us that on such and such a day, such and such would happen? So they believe him because of the one thing which was heard from heaven.†(narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4424).

 

Fifthly:

 

When the Shaytaan listens out to hear what the angels say to one another about the decree of Allaah, this is part of the knowledge of the seen, it does not not mean that the shayaateen have knowledge of the unseen. Then they add a hundred lies to that word, such as when a fortune-teller says that So and so will give birth to a boy, and the people see that he was right about that so they believe in him, but he adds lies about the child, saying that he will get married in such and such a year and will die in such and such a year and other such details. So he gains a high stature in people’s hearts and they seek to get close to him by bringing him gifts and money, and he makes a profession out of these lies when the people believe in him, and so he makes a living by haraam means.

 

Sixthly:

 

Not every fortune-teller is a kaahin (soothsayer). He may be a geomancer or reader of coffee-cups, because the kaahin, unlike the others, is one who receives information from the jinn. The others are just liars, but the same ruling applies to them, because they claim to have knowledge of the unseen, although the kaahin who cooperates with the shayaateen is more of a kaafir because the kufr of fortune-telling is compounded by the kufr of his interacting with the shayaateen, who do not give him what he wants until after he directed some acts of worship towards them in a manner which takes him out of Islam.

 

Seventhly:

 

You have to advise your mother not to go anywhere near these liars, lest she falls into sin or her good deeds are wiped out. Do not give up the idea of marriage, because marriage brings many benefits. It is an important matter which is part of the fitrah (natural inclinations of man) and of the religion. Your life will not be miserable, in sha Allaah; be optimistic and hope for a good and happy life. We ask Allaah to join you with a husband who is knowledgeable and righteous.

 

If something bad happens, and you marry someone with whom you are miserable, this is because of the decree of Allaah (qadaa’ and qadar), not because of what the accursed fortune-teller said or because he knows the unseen. This may happen as a test or trial. In any case, going ahead with the marriage – in addition to its own great benefits – will be a way of snubbing these liars and fortune-tellers, and those who believe in them. May Allaah help us and you to do all that is good. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

 

 

Islam Q&A

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)

[Jumatatu]

Wind sxb, as usual, thanx for your concern but am afraid to tell you that you misunderstood the whole concept...

[Sky]

there is no such thing as fortune-tellers. i sense that this post was supposed to be funny. the cayn bit was just sraight up comical, you can put a smile on the toughest crowd with that one. and s/barre listening to advise from a fortune-teller, man that just threw me off my chair.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

You all have no sense of humor. Lighten up alittle.

[NGONGE]

Lol@Juma

[Rahima]

You all have no sense of humor. Lighten up alittle.

Was this a joke ? My bad, i was unaware.

 

Yet anyway, i could of have sworn that this doesn't come under the banner of "humour" .

 

It must be me.

 

Juma, pls do accept my apology . I honestly thought that you believed in this stuff-many of our people believe in these sorts of fortune telling.

[Gabbal]

Jumatatu mindaa waad wareersaneed markaad bogaan furtay. It wasn't "humorus" nor "informative", though I do believe your point was that the Abdulahi Yusuf/Gheedi government is going to end up like all the others who preceded it.

[Jumatatu]

Eureka...! Horn finally u managed to unlock the code..!

For those of you who are wise enough please not in no way am I condoning the art of fortune-tellers. So just read the thread see the humorous side of it and add your kick, if it troubles you my advance apology. But if you are like someone Sheikh 'fatale' Awad who does not envisage the downfall of Yeey, the let it be known it was designed to upset you ..

[wind.talker]

Ahem..I duly observe dadka isku camiraayo. Sometimes I wonder what the real - if any - differences are between you people.

 

JUMA -

 

Don't find an excuse for your incompetence. You'll quickly run out of words. However, I do laugh at your attempt to portray your inner envy of anything Yeey as a mere "joke" - while, in reality, it borders on the disease. Do you think, for a mere moment, that I doubt your seriousness of this thread? Play it off if you like, but the malicious intent is well-recorded in my books.

[Jumatatu]

^^

Wind sxb first take a chill pill and dont get so absorbed into everything about Yeey. Keep in mind everybody has to go including him.And Wind it is not envy it is bitter anger.. I thought you already recorded my malicious intent long time ago.

[Sky]

Originally posted by Jumatatu:

^^

Wind sxb first take a chill pill and dont get so absorbed into everything about Yeey. Keep in mind everybody has to go including him.And Wind it is not envy it is bitter anger..

I thought you already recorded my malicious intent long time ago.

loool .... and than hes expecting to be taken serious after this post. now this is a good joke!

 

Would you believe this.....?

man you take me for a fool or something? hell no!

[Major-General Cawad]

Juma stop the rediculous staff that you're posting every day. It's time to grow up we've been all through that stage/period when we were younger but know it's time to move on even you.

 

98% of what you post in this forums is well out of order.

 

Sister Rahima there is nothing to apologise for. The joke was bad taste and ****** . If he meant it or not only Allah knows.

 

Stop the harrassment I aint what you're trying to portray me to be. Give up mate.

 

By the way how are things going in Mog.How are the militias are they fed and treated in a good manner. I hope everything is going to plan. Bless Suudy Yalaxhow's efforts of pacifying Mog. He's a true hero.

 

Also Juma could you please forward the name of the account, number and sort code of the SAANDUUQ opened by the HAG so I might donate some money towards the Saanduuq and the initiative named Stability First launched by the "former Warlords of Somalia" to pacify and train the militias to become "regular army" and "police force" of Somalia. Some people might recongise the guy who stole their watch, trousers and underwear now posting as a police man. It must be really hard to give them some respect and how on earth can they expect respect from the people they used to rob.

 

If in my neighbourhood some dodgy looking former convicts and criminals were now to control my neighbourhood I would be really weary and funny at the same time.