Jacaylbaro Posted May 11, 2009 Looks like it is you, the 10 year old child sxb. If you can't get what i said then blame your teachers ... not your parents of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdinasir Kadawo Posted May 11, 2009 You can't say it, can you? Just say it; "you are not the right clan for Hargeisa and therefore you are a sheegato" That is what you are struggling to say, isn't it? To bring this Arab nonsense (markii geel loo heeso inaad goronyo u heesto) is just making you look fool. So brother, just say what is in your heart. Is that the reason I am a sheegato of Hargeisa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted May 11, 2009 I'm talking about the citizenship here ,, that is the proper language not that of Somalia where "clan" is the measure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted May 12, 2009 Political Background Of The O'gaden Somali Struggle O'gaden is the land of hundreds of thousands of martyrs in the name of freedom and justice. It is the cradle of revolutionary heroes as well as the centre of Somali culture and heritage. It is situated at the junction between Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya and Djibouti in the Horn of Africa. In the middle of the 16th Century, Ahmed Ibrahim, better known as Ahmed Guran and his men fought with Abyssinian aggressors in order to avers the latter's permanent threat to the land of the Somalis. After the defeat of the Abyssinians, a European colonial power, Portugal, quickly came to their aid. In the conflict that followed, Ahmed Guran was killed by Portugese troops. However the precedent of external involvement at the expense of the Somalis had already been set. At the advent of the colonialist scramble for Africa, three colonial powers, namely Great Britain, France and Italy, with clashing interests, simultaneously invaded the Horn of Africa. Great Britain in pursuit of it quest to create an unbroken link from Capetown to Cairo saw this region as merely another link in the chain. France wished to extend her West African possessions to the Red Sea. Italy had the intention of linking Eritrea with Southern Somaliland thereby creating an Italian East African Empire. The objectives of Great Britain, France and Italy were in direct conflict with each other making Abyssinia the key for the execution of their objectives. In order to avoid military conflict among themselves, the European powers each campaigned to win the friendship of Abyssinian (Ethiopian) rulers. This lobbying effort included the supply of large quantities of weapons and other military aid hence turning Abyssinia into the most profitable East African market for European weapons. After amassing a large number of relatively modern arms, Ethiopia was able to conquer Harar in 1887 for the first time. This was seen as a stepping stone for eventual Ethiopian occupation of O'gaden. In 1896, an agreement was signed between Great Britain and the O'gadenia chiefs which was thought to be a guarantee of O'gaden sovereignty. However, the people of O'gaden soon realized that the partner in the accord, Great Britain had no intention of living up to the agreement. Great Britain continued to arm Ethiopia who had made it's intentions toward expanding into O'gaden well known. In 1897 Great Britain signed an agreement with Ethiopia in which it recognized the Ethiopian claims on Harar which it had occupied a few years earlier. This act appeared to be the beginning of a British retreat from the O'gaden and eventual transfer to Ethiopia. Finally on September 24th, 1948 Britain withdrew it's treaty of protection over O'gaden and recognized O'gaden to be a possession of Ethiopia despite never having been under the administration or physical occupation of the Empire of Ethiopia. This act was widely recognized by the people of O'gaden as a breach of the 1896 agreement entered into by Great Britain and the O'gaden Chiefs. It was undertaken without consulting the leadership and people of O'gaden who are the sole possessors of the right to self-determination in accordance with international codes, norms and principles of justice. In addition, this action was taken by great Britain after the issuance of the United Nations Charter and formal insertion of the right of self-determination for all peoples who had not yet achieved independence. This 1896 agreement, which constituted the basic principle of British protection over O'gaden, aimed at preserving the territory and peoples of O'gaden against foreign aggression. Particularly from Ethiopia which made no secret of it's intent to expand it's empire. The agreement also plainly and implicitly stipulated the sovereignty of the people of O'gaden over their territory. In essence, Britain had recognized the transfer of a territory with which it had entered into a treaty of protection, to an existing undemocratic empire which had never administered or occupied it. The finalization of the transfer occurred in 1954 after which Great Britain formally recognized O'gaden and all the people within as subjects of the Ethiopian Empire. The 1896 agreement of protection between O'gaden and Great Britain had been completely shattered. The people of O'gaden now found themselves under the occupation of an alien power at a time when much of Africa was on the verge of breaking the shackles of colonialism. It must be noted however that before the independence of the Somali Republic in 1960, the struggle of the people of O'gaden was not separate from other Somali people's struggles for Independence. At that period, the O'gaden liberation struggle was not intended for the liberation of O'gaden alone, but for the liberation of all the lands inhabited by Somalis from the yoke of European and Ethiopian colonialism. The Somali Dervish Liberation Movement (1895-1922)led by the celebrated Somali liberation leader Sayid Mohamed Abdulla Hassan, fought for more than two decades against all colonialists in Somali lands. Upon the joining of British and Italian Somalilands in 1960 and the creation of the Somali Democratic Republic. The people of O'gadenia had no choice but to continue liberation struggle, hoping to someday free themselves from the colonialism which had ended in 1960 for British and Italian Somalilands. In 1963, the O'gaden Liberation Front was formed with the intention of continuing the struggle for self-determination and confronting Ethiopian colonialism which had progressed into a settler colonialism in which lands and property were confiscated from the local populations of O'gaden. The OLF started a liberation war which promoted the idea of a "Greater Somalia". This had the effect of creating a public perception which portrayed the O'gaden conflict as a conflict between two states (Somalia & Ethiopia) instead of a struggle for self-determination. The armed struggle which was the only feature of the cause and it's vividity, became seasonal and subject to the preparadness of the millitary of the Somali Republic. Adding to this misrepresentation of the O'gaden cause was the dominance of a "Greater Somalia" school of thought in the Somali Republic. What followed was the creation of a armed front called the Western Somali Liberation Front (WSLF)which was trained and financed by the Somali Republic. This had the effect of further portraying the O'gaden cause and a mere border conflict between two independent states while side stepping the issue of the right to self-determination for the people of O'gaden. Throughout the campaigns of the OLF & WSLF, the people of O'gaden continued to suffer. In addition to being occupied by Ethiopian colonialist, they had to witness the hijacking of their cause for self-determination by the Government of the Somali Republic and it's transformation into a boundary dispute. After the withdrawal of the Somali Army from O'gaden in 1978, the sincenre national forces in the O'gaden exerted efforts to correct the course of the WSLF from within and change its approach. The 1981 WSLF conference was the peak of these efforts to transform the WSLF. At this conference a Secretary General support was elected with the mandate of changing the course of the WSLF, but he remained in office for only one year after the Somali Government rejected his style and suspended financial aid to the front completely. Hence, the people of O'gaden sought to establish an truly independent vanguard, to correctly represent the interest of the people of O'gadenia in their justified quest for self-determination. The result of this effort was the creation of the O'gaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) on August 15, 1984 in response to public desire for a truly independent voice for the liberation of O'gaden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belial Posted May 12, 2009 Thanks for posting it. Farancab. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted May 12, 2009 Originally posted by Abdinasir Kadawo: You can't say it, can you? Just say it; "you are not the right clan for Hargeisa and therefore you are a sheegato" That is what you are struggling to say, isn't it? To bring this Arab nonsense (markii geel loo heeso inaad goronyo u heesto) is just making you look fool. So brother, just say what is in your heart. Is that the reason I am a sheegato of Hargeisa? Wale JB waa bahal! He looks at a name and can work out what qabiil they are instantly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted May 12, 2009 ^Waryaa nimankiinan reer Fakkadland inaga dhex baxa inagaa Soomaaliyi ahe. Makhtul Daahir-na wuu yahay waa la og yahay, waa Geesi, gob gob dashay ah. Let alone his rebels, I will follow his order to the T if he gave them to me. Nimankaa xornima u dirirka ahna don't need the wax-kuma-tarnimada hiil ku sheegga ee Soomaali isheegga qarkeed la meereeysaneyso ee yaanan lagu aflagaadoonin. These men are as welcome to Maakhir as they are welcome in their own homes. Anaa iri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted May 12, 2009 Abu Maakhiri, Ma la hubaa in caasimada Maakhir aad ku soo dhaweyn lahayd dhaawaca ciidanka wadinaga xoraynta Ogad'en? Taas haddii la idin ka helo idina gob baad tihiin. Anaa ku iri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted May 16, 2009 Ogad'en the land of hundreds of thousands of martyrs in the name of freedom and justice is the cradle of revolutionary heroes as well as the centre of Somali culture and heritage. Ancient Ogad'en Day Martyrs & Legends: In the middle of the 16th Century, Ahmed Ibrahim, better known as Ahmed Guran and his men fought with Abyssinian aggressors in order to avers the latter's permanent threat to the land of the Somalis. After the defeat of the Abyssinians, a European colonial power, Portugal, quickly came to their aid. In the conflict that followed, Ahmed Guran was killed by Portugese troops. However the precedent of external involvement at the expense of the Somalis had already been set. Wiil Waal, Ab'same Sultan, lived in 16th century as a national hero who drove the last of the Galla Kings From Jigjigga. Wiil-Waal was actually a Gerad, although he's generally called Sultan he lived before the arabic title was commonly used. Gerad was the second in the importance-of-leader hierarchy. Few among his stories are: 1.Wiil Waal And The Sheep's Gullet. 2.Wiil Waal And The Silver Ring. 3.Wiil Waal And The Wisest Man Wiil Waal and his armies finished the Galla armies. He is a man whom people still respect him and create countless stories about the Somali legend. The man created fear in the Galla eyes! Sayid Mohamed Abdulla Hassan born April, 1856 in the north of Somalia died December 21 1920 in Imi, Ogad'enia. He was a warrior, poet, freedom fighter, islaaamic scholar and charismatic leader fought for more than 20 years and led the armed resistance of Somali Dervish Liberation Movement (1895-1922) against all colonialists in Somali lands. Modern Ogad'en Day Martyrs & Legends: The O'gaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) was creaated on August 15, 1984 in response to public desire for a truly independent voice for the liberation of O'gaden. ONLF and its sister UWLSF are the leading armed resitances agianst the current Ethiopian regime. Sheikh Ibrahim Abdalle Mohamed. HIS MIDDLE LIFE AS A FREEDOM FIGHTER He resigned from the educational assignments that he was holding for Somalia and joined Western Somali Liberation Front in 1976, activating the military and political philosophy of the then Somali-backed movement, WSLF,. He was sent to Abu Dhabi in 1981, as a diplomatic representative for Western Somali Liberation Front. After the sheer military and political abortion of WSLF as a result of the direct military intervention of Somali armed forces, sheikh Ibrahim co-founded Ogad'en National Liberation Front in 1984. In 1991, he was elected the chairman of ONLF and he had been holding that post till 1998. February 1994, Sheikh Ibrahim narrowly escaped from an assassination attempt by Ethiopian battalion based in Warder. He was defended by the people of Warder with the help of ONLF fighters scouting him, and, many Ethiopian soldiers and almost 100 civilians from Warder died because of him. It was reported that Sheikh Ibrahim took part in some of the deadliest armed confrontations between ONLF battalion and Ethiopian garrison in the war-torn Ogade'n. Some tidings said that he acted field commander in the front line to give his soldiers moral support. HIS PERSONALITY Sheikh Ibrahim was a charismatic born-leader with adamant political objectives. He was an outspoken Islamic scholar and a profound patriot who believed in death for the sake of his country and in the defense of his Islamic belief. He was an honest and God-fearing man. He was a great ideologue yarning for Arab unity and Somalis nicknamed him "The pro-Arab campaigner in the Horn of Africa." He was a confident and firm freedom-fighter longing for the martyrdom of his targeted mission under any circumstance. My first and last meeting with him in Khartoum by the end of 2006, I put the following question to him, "Ethiopia has got one of the strongest armies in Africa and your fighting with it prolonged the suffering of the Ogad'en citizens. Are you capable of vanquishing this powerful and regular force? If not so, why don't you negotiate with the government, Ethiopia?" Sheikh Ibrahim smiled and replied to me, "My NO TO ETHIOPIAN COLONISATION is stronger than the strong armed forces that you mentioned. We have gallant and stronger fighters than theirs, and, we are ready to fight them to the end till they peacefully withdraw from our homeland - Ogad'en. Our brave and patient people can't accept the oligarchic colonial rule of the up-starts - the minority Tigtay, under the despotic and autocratic instruction of the callow leadership of Mr Zenawi." He Died 24 June 2008 Dr Mohammed Sirad Dolaal On Saturday, 17 January 2009, Dr. Mohammed Sirad Dolaal was killed by enemy fire while he was carrying out his duty: defending the people and the land he loved the most. The loss of freedom fighter is not new for Ogad'en people as thousands of brave ogad'enis, young, old, men and women, paid the highest price, their life, defending their dignity, freedom, families, communities, property and country throughout the last century. Many more thousand of Ogad'en people, from all walks of life will sacrifice their life for their god given land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg Posted May 16, 2009 ^ Oga'den martyrs and hero's, are we talking about the clan or region? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdinasir Kadawo Posted May 16, 2009 oga'den means the clan, oga'denia means the region, i guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted May 16, 2009 Originally posted by Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg: ^ Oga'den martyrs and hero's, are we talking about the clan or region? Sorry guys it is about Ogad'en/ia the home of rich and bueatiful land, not the clan. But if any one wants to debate that region I am more than happy to debate with them. Have a good day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted May 16, 2009 So everybody who fought Ethiopia was from that region including Ahmed Gurey ? ,,, Hmmmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted May 16, 2009 Any one who fought the Abyssinian aggressors in order to keep that land free from them is that land's hero, regardless of his origin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites