18th May...Celebrating 14 years of independance from wartorn Somali Republic

[STOIC]

Ngonge you are always persuasive,provocative and scintillating nomad!.You have presented an in-depth look at key beleifs behind many mistaken policies and actions of our beloved Somalilander's.It is good to have a ruthless honest critic like you in a politics (somali) hamstrung by mediocre leadership .

[Johnny B]

ehem ehem !! NGONGEEeee... butt out old chap !! BURCO is not the subject here! n according to this NEW king from Borama ,Burco shoulden´t celebrate cause it STILL uses the same Shilling that is used in Mogadishu.(in another words u need to go over my dead body to celebrate )

 

as to this mysterious town, i´ve heard very little about it till i met the Presiden´t nephew (KAP).

 

That town sure produced cute chicks n smart asses,n now kings .....but too many " Adhiile " .

[Taqwa]

NGONGE,

 

Inaar dhagaayso, weligaay man arag nin dhaan oo doonaya ino siyasaad ka hadlo isagii oo dhareerku sida caruurta kaa socoto. Ninkaagan isku sheegaya critic orodo ka hadal wax maskax gaal aah. Miyaad ilowdaay intii oday,hooyo,gabdho iyo caruur u dhimatay dalka Somaliland? Mise waxad tahay burcaawi ingiriska lagu ilowbaay. Ciyaal casir waxiid, mahad garan. Weliga miyaad aragtaay oday iyo islaan hortada ku dhintaaay? Weliga miyaad aragtaay hargeisa iyo Somalilad sidaay oo eeg tahaay? Iska dhaaf Somaliland ee, weliga miyaad aragtaay Somalia sidaay oo eeg tahaay?

 

Adunayada waxa jooga dhad oo maleeya midnimada iyo wannaago inaay bilaash tahaay. Wax'anaan kuula yaabayn, qof asalkiisu UNKNOWN yahaay ayad tahay. Habeen burco sheego, malin naah Khaleej sheego, lakiin ogow weliga baah fish and ships ayad tahaay. Abtiyo orodo abaha ku dhee micnaha siyasaad ii baar.

 

 

Mid labbaad naah soo baro waxaay Somaliland Independence Day tahaay. It is certainly beyond your scope of thinking because the likes of you will be a critic not for genuineness but to amuse the gathering that doubts its soon-to-be recognition. Cynicism may run in your household but leave Somaliland for its believers. BTW, the JFK slogan or saying is a perfect example for you. If all you can do is sit on your behind and condemn any initiative taken by these poor people, I suggest you dwell on other hobbies. Some of us work for our country while others like you sit behind and build this ideology which you claim will live forever. Why don’t you try sending an orphan to school in Somalia/Somaliland or even better sponsoring one. Action speaks louder then words inadheer.

 

Ilaahay Somalia haku soo celiyo quruxdii iyo wanaaggii. Calankii Somaliland, quruxda xural cayn oo eeka ayaan wadanaha ka taagay. Calankii xidigta lahaa, cirkana oo eeka ayan tageeraay. May we live in peace!

 

 

Calaa kulli xaal Malin Wacan

[ADNAAN]

Nin xanaaqey laga badi.

[Johnny B]

If they ONLY knew what NGONGE and his little flag DONE for "Somaliland" ppl like mr Silence and die-hard break-away somalilanders would build a tiny monement in Burco for this bright-minded diaspora Somalilander.

 

 

it´s ironic to see this Somaliland hero get offended by ppl like Mr Silence who all they could/can do for Somaliland and it´s cause is win more hatred and spread misinformation about the harsh reality that Somaliland faces today.

 

NGONGE is of diffrent clibre compared to a typical die-hard Somalilander.

he is free from the poison that FAILS die-hard Somalilanders.

 

NGONGE represnts Somaliland in it´s best face through possitive dialog n logical argumentation.

 

Many ppl that hail from the south are more convinced n accept the Somaliland case "AS IS" today thanks to NGONGE n alike minded Somalilanders.

 

Mr Silence´s Somaliland is built on hatred and was freed from the colonialists from the south , a notion many southerners rather kill a somalilander for let elone accept.

 

I think i speak for all SOL political section when i say Thanks NGONGE for your unforgetable contribution to this "fadhi ka diridh".

 

Among the things i´ll always remeber you NGONGE is his famouse Question.

 

"What have you(southerners) got for Somaliland to keep it in the fold ?",

 

Only a bright mind could pour such an eye-brow raising question..

 

to wrap things up ..

 

Mr Silence how BIG is ya Flag?

[ADNAAN]

Originally posted by Johhny J B:

If they ONLY knew what NGONGE and his little flag DONE for "Somaliland" ppl like mr Silence and die-hard break-away somalilanders

would build a tiny monement in Burco for this bright-minded diaspora Somalilander.

 

 

Why don’t you share with us what ngonge did for his for s/land or somalia given that he is an ex.arab and a current fish & chips (no offence as this is what I understood from wat ngonge wrote on other threads ..)

 

anywaz johnny welcome to Sol.

[Blessed]

*throws dacas @ Johnny*

 

:mad: :mad: Don't you ever disrespect my Hometown again! I'll have you know Burco is the heart and soul of SL.

 

oooh and welcome back but*head

[-Serenity-]

You guys are exceedingly hilarious. . Why didnt some1 tell me the politics section was the place to be?

 

JohhnyB, Welcome n stop sucking up to NGONGE.

 

Anyways, the flaw with NGONGE’s semi-credible criticism is he overlooks the main obstacles in Somaliland’s progress namely lack of recognition, warring borders, lack of skilled labour, an economy that strives on handout, etc. Unfortunately these problems are intertwined and achieving one without the other is not a piece of cake. There is no point pointing out that the cup is half empty. Rome wasn’t built in a day n neither will Somaliland. But I think it looks bad that certain Landers have taken it upon themselves to frown on the agreeably slow paced development of Somaliland while there are a hundred more people willing to do the same out of utter spite.

[BOQORKA BORAMA]

BORAMA HAS PRODUCED BEAUTIFUL WOMEN AND INTELLECTUAL MEN THUS I AM AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PROUD OF IT. THIS CHATROOM WAS MADE FOR US TO SHARE OUR IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND TO HAVE CRITICS AND DISAGREEMENTS IS THE BEST POLICY BUT LET US NOT GO AS FAR AS DISCREDITING EACHOTHERS IDEAS AND DISMISSING THEM AS IF THE IDEA YOU HOLD HAS MORE INTELLECTUAL OR MORAL WORTH. IF YOU HAVENT HEARD OF BORAMA ITS HOME TO AMOUD UNIVERSITY AND SOME OF THER BEST MOUNTAINS IN SOMALILAND.

[BOQORKA BORAMA]

I PERSONALLY FEEL GUILTY BECAUSE THE FACT IS AS WE ARE HERE DISCUSSING WHAT SHOULD HAPPENA ND HOW THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE RUN THERE ARE PEOIPLE WORKING NIGHT AND DAY TO DO THIS AND I FOR ONE AM VERY PROUD OF THEM. INSHALLAH AFTER GETTING MY LAW DEGREE I WANT TO GO INTO TAX LAW AND HELP THE RICH STAY RICH IN THSI COUNTRY THAN TAKE ALL MY SAVINBG WITH EM AND EXPLOIT CHEAP LABOUR IN EAST ASIA. WHEN I AM DONE THERE INSHALLAH I WANTO TO INVEST IN SOMALILAND AS A WHOLE BY FUNDING THE BUILDIGNS OF HOSPITALS, REFURBISHMENT OF SCHOOLS AND THE CREATION OF SOCIAL HOUSING FOR THOSE WHO CANT AFFORD IT. INSTEAD OF SITTING IN YOUR WARM SEAT AT HOEM WITH AN EMPTY STOMACH THINKING AND DEVISING WAYS IN WHICH OUR COUNTRY SHOULD BE RUN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. INVEST IN IT!

JFK ONCE FAMOUSLY SAID "DONT ASK WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU,BUT ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY."

[BOQORKA BORAMA]

NOTHIGN IMPORTANT HERE I JSUT WANTED TO SAY HELLO AND THANK YOU TO ADNAAN FOR INVITING ME TO THIS WEBSITE WHERE I HAVE COME ACROSS MORE RATIONAL PEOPLE THAN IN THE MIJILIIS AND FINALLY AFTER YERAS OF SEARCHING I FOUND A PLACE TO AIR MY VIEWS WITHOUT HAVING DACAAS THROWN AT ME BY MIRGAAN MIJILIIS RESIDENTS. SAFE ADNAAN AND I HOPE I SEE U SOON SON!

[ADNAAN]

^^^^ Any time your highness .

 

*Open ur inbox in the Sol private messaging system*

[NGONGE]

Adunayada waxa jooga dhad oo maleeya midnimada iyo wannaago inaay bilaash tahaay.

Wax'anaan kuula yaabayn, qof asalkiisu UNKNOWN yahaay ayad tahay. Habeen burco sheego, malin naah Khaleej sheego, lakiin ogow weliga baah fish and ships ayad tahaay. Abtiyo orodo abaha ku dhee micnaha siyasaad ii baar.

You’ve wasted your breath writing all of that when all you had to say was : ‘ab tirso’.

 

** Somali attitude mode on **

Silence, adeer, ano ab tirso o ma bahni, family name kalya kugo filan. :cool: Hade aad reer Burco tahay, Hargesa ama Boorma wad i garan doonta. Marka, carada naga daa oo sheekada Somaliland eno wad.

 

** Somali attitude mode off **

 

On a serious note, your response is nothing different than the usual responses I got from die-hard Somalilanders in the past 14 years. How long do you aim to carry on using the same excuses? How long are you going to use the poor dead women, men and children as a reason for the existence of a country? Do you really believe a country can be created just because its citizens are angry with their previous government? Do you really believe all those that embraced the idea of Somaliland are as fickle as that?

 

The anger might have been a factor in the beginning; it might have been the fuel that gave the people energy to declare Somaliland’s independence! But, I refuse to believe that many of the intelligent Somalilanders I’ve lived amongst, met or am related to are as shallow as to still believe on an idea based on anger and sulking! It’s obvious that many Somalilanders have moved on from that and view that state with a different eye. It’s clear that many have more reasons for believing than mere anger and grief. Sadly, none of them are attempting to formulate their vision of Somaliland into words because they’re always faced with knee-jerk defenders like yourself. You mistake patriotism for blinkeredness, saaxib. I’m sure you’re going to take this as a personal attack, though I also assure that it is not. You lack confidence when it comes to Somaliland and it’s evident in the way you deal with any criticism directed its way! Is it because some ‘non-Somaliland’ nomads are reading this? Is it because I’m giving them a chance to have a go at your beloved Somaliland? Do you think my words (or theirs) will make a difference? Do YOU not believe in Somaliland? What does Somaliland mean to YOU?

Ponder these questions, saaxib. I hope you do it with a cool mind and a calm temper.

 

 

Anyways, the flaw with NGONGE’s semi-credible criticism is he overlooks the main obstacles in Somaliland’s progress namely lack of recognition, warring borders, lack of skilled labour, an economy that strives on handout, etc. Unfortunately these problems are intertwined and achieving one without the other is not a piece of cake. There is no point pointing out that the cup is half empty. Rome wasn’t built in a day n neither will Somaliland. But I think it looks bad that certain Landers have taken it upon themselves to frown on the agreeably slow paced development of Somaliland while there are a hundred more people willing to do the same out of utter spite.

Rome was not built in a day! Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country! Action speaks louder than words! The cup is half empty!

 

I’m being silenced with clichés! Shall I give you another cliché, Ame? Here goes:

 

 

“the main obstacles in Somaliland’s progress namely lack of recognition, warring borders, lack of skilled labour, an economy that strives on handout, etc. Unfortunately these problems are intertwined and achieving one without the other is not a piece of cakeâ€.

 

My criticism, as I’ve already stated in these pages (and in the past) is not one related with buildings, economy or skilled labour. It’s one questioning attitudes, vision and ideas. Ame, I’ve met many Somalilanders that are not too bothered about recognition! They argue that with recognition come corruption! These same people vehemently claim to believe in an independent and sovereign country called Somaliland! They sell everyone such a foolish idea and all of a sudden, many Somalilanders are also arguing that recognition is not that important! Well, IT IS important and should be the one overwhelming aim of every so-called Somalilander. No ifs, no buts and NO excuses.

 

Again, after 14 years of independence (14 years of celebrations), questions should be asked about where Somaliland is now, where it should be heading, is it ahead of schedule, underachieving or standing still?

I believe it to be almost stationary! Whatever has been built or improved in Somaliland I attribute to the citizens of that place (the same with Puntland and Somalia). The government though, is underachieving and nobody is taking it to task for such shabby performances (the opposition is no better). I question and criticise the attitude that says ‘ don’t criticise us because there are lots of enemies around wanting to see our downfall’. Such an attitude should not be adopted by a so-called independent, sovereign and confident country (so much for Africa’s best kept secret, eh?).

 

Not until people start questioning the direction their country is taking, the efforts being made to obtain recognition and the self-indulgent attitude of Somalilanders will the country move forward and achieve half of its goals. To sit around and agree with each other on everything regarding the progress of Somaliland for fear of giving outsiders a chance to have a bite at you, is counterproductive and is a symptom of an immature country. After 14 years, is it not a fair question to ask why is MY country (hear that silence) still immature?

 

PS

I can still see that writing this on this forum still bothers some of my fellow Somalilanders. We could easily take our discussion into a Somaliland site. But, would it really make a difference? Would it stop non-Somalilanders from reading it?

[-Serenity-]

Hi NGONGE,

 

I’m afraid to continue this discussion for 2 reasons:

 

1: I don’t read Somaliland news and I can’t claim to be completely aware of the situation there or the attitude of Landers in the Diaspora.

 

2: You’ll dog me to no end until and unless I concede to your point. You, my dear, are a forum-bully is there ever was such a thing.

 

That said, I’m glad you have met your match in Tolstoy in the other thread… now you two can bore the hell out of each other and pretty-fy simple points.

 

Lastly, since your “criticism†stems from attitude and ideas rather than extant Somaliland issues, its not something I can be bothered with at the moment. I see where you’re coming from with the attitude and lack of direction for Somaliland but you seem to be using the wrong yardstick for your measurement. I’m sure there must be documents stating the long term goals, achievement and aspirations for Somaliland (Tolstoy, the Somaliland constitution specialist should help with this). This is what matters as far as Somaliland is concerned not the opinion of every Abdi and Ali in the street.

[NGONGE]

^^^Continue, continue and I promise to tune it down a little. I’m truly stunned that you’ve perceived my words as bullying!

 

PS

Welcome back Johnny B.