Seekknowledge Posted May 11, 2008 for anybody who wants to rape somali women. Does that include somalis disgused as sheikhs? Now do the math. Which party raped more the ethiopians or the somalis. How many illigitimate children are ethiopians and how many are somali. Peace is the only solution and right now these self appointed sheikhs are blocking it. :mad: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted May 11, 2008 ^Got milk? Koora: You wanted to drag the Shiekh's good name in the mud but now you have a change of heart only after realizing people out there actually know him personally. Not bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koora-Tuunshe Posted May 11, 2008 Jimcale, I didn't drag him to the mud. I just stated how Sheikh Ali Alow pioneered Wahabism in Somalia. But do you agree with Sheikh Cumar Faaruuq's Fatwa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seekknowledge Posted May 11, 2008 do you agree with Sheikh Cumar Faaruuq's Fatwa? They will never answer that question. As they didn't answer when he followed Ibn Baaz on the issue of "the earth is flat". What they will do is to ignore the question and change the subject and then start attacking you personally and then withdraw from the subject on the ground that every body is insulting each other. That is how wahhabis are taught to do when they get though questions. I am not kidding ask the ones who gruaduated from the Saudi Universities. As so called prince Badr said "We know how to play the game. We've been playing this game for centuries" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted May 11, 2008 Ayaan Dhow they might even Imam Ahmad Gurey was a wahabi! p.s some "Salafis" have been notable in it is unislamic to rebel against meles Zenawi and the warlord.......in other words Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted May 12, 2008 Koora-Tuunshow, Ina-Adeer, you are a man acquainted but with a little understandings of the religion. It is wise that one educates oneself and familiarises himself with the fundamentals of Islam before embarking on mission to discredit the culamaa and utter, unwittingly, erroneous words against them and the Deen. In your blind support of the Xabashi invaders and their Gaala-raac puppets who continue to wreak havoc in your country, you have blithely disregarded your covenant and the calls of the culamaa thereby jeopardizing the basic tenets of your Deen. Even when logic demands and makes it your prerogative to defend yourself against those who are intent on killing you and raping your women, you remain to be unsighted. Have you take leave of your senses ina-adeer? As for SeekKnowledge, Leave him to his beans. The man is cruelly depriving a village somewhere of an i.diot, as the saying goes! Obviously he is relishing his time frolicking along the dark road of ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunguri Posted May 12, 2008 Sheekh Nur Ali Olow, was a true,Muslim Somali scholer. He was a decent man,sweet and full of knowledge. Waar nimanyohow, bahasha siyaasadda la yidhaahdaa yey idinla fogaan. Oo dadkii Alle iyo Diinta u shaqqeeyey idinku dirin. Koora Tuunshe, ina adeer dont you know he has thousands of scripts and books approved by one of the most well known scholars. Like Ibna Baz and Otheimen. May Allah all bless them. On top of that, Sheekh Mohammad Bin Abdull Wahab was a similler Islamic scholer, he has got nothing to do with Alshabab or any political entity in Somalia. Dadka iyagu is qarxinaya ama bambooyinka isku xidhaya, iyo kuwa kalee Xabshida hor kacaya wuxuba waa wax isma dhaanto. Waxaan hubaa, ninkii maanta dhiig Somaliyeed ku jiro, ama wax yar oo Iimaan ah ka dhex ruxmayo. Inuu ka xumaanayo, culimadii Tabliiqa ee masaajid-ka lagu dilay. Marka meeshan khayr kama jiro. Walaa Dawlada walaa kuwan Maxkamadaha isku sheegaya iyo Alshabaab! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted May 12, 2008 ^^Hunguri, ina adeer, Inkastoon kugu raacsanahay inta hore, inta dambe waad ku gaftey. Wacade isuma dhowa oo way is dhaamaan Al-Shabaab iyo nimakan Gaalada Raacay. Ilaah baan kugu dhaarshee ina adeer ma nin gaal la saftay iyo nin kasoo horjeeda ayaad leedahay way isu dhigmaan? Wallaahi laa yastawuun... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunguri Posted May 12, 2008 Laba Xiniiyood, let me tell you how. I am gonna tell you why all these groups and cohorts are equall. And, I will prove that to you with the leight of the holly Quran. Ina adeer, ma shakki baa ku jira marka u horraysa. Dawlada iyo Abdillaahi Yusuf kooxdiisu inay jaahiliin ka yihiin dhanka Diinta. Marka ugu horraysa, taas ma shakki baa ku jira, jawaabtu waa mayya. Ok, haddaba nin jaahil ah, ama aan diinta si fiican wax uga aqqoon. Waxba maaha, inuu waxkasta oo fal foolxuma ah ku kaco. Xittaa wuxuu gadayaa caruurtiisa iyo hablihiisa. Alright, hadaan qoladaas intaa kaga baxo. Waxaa soo hadhay. Qolada Maxkamadaha iyo Culimada magacooda huwan. Allah subhanuhu watacaalaa, wuxuu Quraanka ku yidhi. (1) Miyey simman yihiin, dadka wax yaqqaana ama cilmiga leh, iyo kuwa aan cilmiga lahayn. "Hal yastawe Alladiina yaclamuna, walladiina laa yaclamun" (2)Addoomada Eebaha Raxmaana, waakuwa u Socda Dhulka Xasillooni, markay la hadlaan kuwa Jaahiliintu, amaba ay af xumeeyaan. Waxay yidhaahdaan Nabad Nabad PS:- Xaashada 495,Aayada 63aad, Suuratul Furqaan. Hadda, waxaan kasoo wadaa. Waar bal kuwan Culimmada isku sheegaya, ee diintii garanaya. Ee wax walba kala og. Maxay tahay waxay Shicib-ka ugu naxariisan waayeen. Maxay tahay, waxa ay nimmankan Jaahiliinta ah, shicibka korkiisa ugula gorgortamayaan. Waa ogahay, Xabashigii ayaa meesha ku jira. Laakiin, waa wax mustaxiil ilaa Waxdaaniya Somaliyeed la helo, inuu Xabashigu kaa tago. Amaba kaa guuro. Marka, ninka ilaahay title-kaa u sameeyey. Hadeey diintu dhab ka tahay. He would have very much softened. They dont absolutely show no what so ever of tolerance. Waa extreme dry to the level of zero tolerance. Diintu waa dulqaad, Diintu waa xikmad, Diintu waa macaan. Nabi Mohammed SCW, when he used to write to the kings of Rome, and Persians, while knowing they were true unbeleivers, never the less, he used to avoid to provoke them. Wuxuu ku qori jiray. Waraaqihiisa! Assalamu Cala man Ittabaca Huda, Nabad korkiisa ha ahaato, qofkii Hanuunka raacay. That was after, Bismillahi Raxmani Raxiim, and Min Mohammed or from Mohamed prophet of Allah SCW. Hadda, waxaan kusoo gunaanadayaa. Ninkii, diintu dhab ka tahay. Ha muujiyo dulqaadkeedii, halla yimaado macaankeedii.! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted May 12, 2008 Allah Allah , yaa sheekh hunguri ,,, xafidahullah wa racaahu ,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted May 12, 2008 Yaa Hunguri, Walaal aad ayaad ugu mahadsantahay the explanation that you have put forth. Yes indeed Diintu waa dulqaad, Diintu waa xikmad, Diintu waa macaan, Diintu waa nasiixah. Laakiin everything has its appropriate time. Aayadaha aad soo daliishateyna waa xaq. Laakiin ina-adeer, '...Atu'minuuna bi bacdil kitaabi wa takfiruuna bi bacd'. Are we here disregarding some of the teachings of the Qur'an and believeing in the rest? 'famaa jazaa'u man yafcal daalika', and the punishmnet for a person who does this is but the torment of hellfire. The Qur'an clearly states 'ya ayyuha lladiina aamnu ida laqiitumu-ladiina kafaruu zaxfan falaa tuwalluhum-ul-adbaar' (Anfal) The above Ayah instructs the Muslims not to turn their backs on an enemy once they have met. Now an enemy stands in your doorsteps, an enemy whose actions are perceptible to all and sundry, and yet we are claiming that the Al-Shabaab should not fight them and defend their land. Ina-adeer Hunguriyow, The Xabashis are massacring the people in the streets and villages mar allaale markii mid laga dilo - ama magaalada gudeheeda ha lagu dilo ama dibadeeda. They take out their revenge on the public and wallahi they will continue to do so ilaa laga joojiyo oo kurta laga wada guro mooyee. Do you think nimankan iyaguba inaaney lahayn family iyo caruur iyo aabe iyo hooyo - maxaa ku kallifay inay naftooda iyo maalkooda u huraan si ay Amxaartan wadanka ka saaraan. Waxa keliya oo ku kallifay waa Qur'aanka oo ku amray aayadaan kor ku soo qoray iyo aayada kaloo fara badan oo ay culamadoo dhami soo daliishadeen kuna dhiiri geliyeen nimankan aynu hawl yaraysaneyno iney la dagaalamaan gaalada iyo munaafiqiintaba. 'wa qaatiluuhum xataa laa takuuna fitnatun wa yakuuna-diinu lillah' So we can condem the Al-Shabaab as much as we want from our comfort zones here in the west, but they are doing a task which we too should be doing but haven't got the guts to do so! Marka aflagaadada uun aynu ka dhawrno walaalayaal nimankaa Jihaadka ku jira. Mise waxaad diidantahay waxa maanta Soomaaliya ka taagan oo lagaga dhawaaqay inaanu Jihaadba ahayn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted May 12, 2008 ^^ The religious justifications for struggling against Ethiopian occupiers is well known and hence doesn't need a great deal of debate or articulation, since prominent ulema have given justification for that struggle, though, some will argue that it doesn't meet the critrea of a legitimate( Islamic) struggle. What you seem to be saying is this particular group shouldn't be critised since they are doing a job which the rest of us are to cowardly to carry out. Moreover, as you seem to have articulated in your other threads; those that criticise this movement show little understand Islam and have a weaknesses or deficieny in their logic. Fair enough, this group is demonised and often accused of things that they haven't carried out. For example, they are accuseD of massacaring SOmali civilians on a mammoth scale on par with the level as Ethiopians. This is all nonsensical and there is little evidence to show that this group has targeted Somali civilians as a part of ideology or hatred. Having said that, fighting a war doesn't make one immune from critique. And it is understandable Somalis are trying to avoid un-neccesary criticism given the state of the country, that is, a burutal foreign occupation. However, the criticism of Alshabaab shouldn't be equated with criticism of Islam or Mujahideen! That is purely too simplisc and borders on blind following. It's like saying you can't criticse Osama Bin Laden because he happened to have picked up an AK47. Can Muslims not criticise these groups for the ideologies they articulate for the Muslim world and the effect these declarations/actions have on the Muslim world? Or is it a black and white world where everybody is a pious Mujahid or Munafiq( gaalo rac)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashafa Posted May 12, 2008 ^^ Constructive criticism is always welcome, even if it's heated, as long as it's informed by sincerity. Laakin mida oo marna la aqbali-karin, waa scoring points and 'I told you so', and gloating and name-calling the heroic men and women in the fields of combat. As Labo X put it, For they are doing what you, O Coward, cannot do. If it was you O Coward(not you Abu), you would sell-out the dearest and most treasured principles , all for a chance to live as a dhuli thaleel. That is what you are made of: Qashin. And you would rationalize this to yourself by saying 'I am working for peace' 'Compromise is whats needed, we must work with them until we unify and become strong' among other Loads O'Crap. Benjamin Franklin has the perfect rebuttal for that type of Is-Qancis: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety Even if we accept them at face-value, temporary safety is what they are after and that is simply not tenable. Say a 'unity government' is formed with the TFG dhabodhilifs included and temporary safety is purchased for a few years, what will prevent the Zenawi slaves to 'reinvite' our 'beloved Allies, friends, and neighbors' for 'military assistance' and 'joint training exercises' this time under the auspices of a 'legitimate unity government'. Ever thought about that yaa Is-Qancis fool ? "But nooooooo, that can't happen, the international community would do something. Somalis wouldn't accept it, there would be a mass uprising" Yeah, g'luck with that. Good thing you're not in charge of the Resistance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted May 12, 2008 ^ well put Kashafa ... they try to paint the resistance as barbarians who only live to fight ... how simplistic & ignorant ... everyone wants peace and stability but at what price ? do you propose we lay down for the xabash so they can walk all over us ? . as a wise general once said 'we fight today so that we dont have to fight tomorrow !' .... if the resistance does not continue in their noble cause ... what the Ethiopians have been doing is going to seem like child's play .... they slaughter innocent civilians when they know they might face retaliation what do you think they will do when they have immunity ? open your eyes people this is not an academic exercise or a multiple choice exam this is a fight for survival bending over for the xabash is not an option .... if it works the tfg have been doing it from day one and still they are considered lap dogs .... anyone remember a recent incident of ethiopians torturing tfg soldiers ? .. if that is how they treat their doormats what do you expect ? hadii la dhimanayana dhareerka waa la iska duwaa ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted May 12, 2008 Kashafa, What say you about the ICU men, people like Prof. Caddow, Sh. Caynte, and others, who are there in Jabbuuti to negotiate with the tfg and their backers? Do you think they are bunch of ‘is-qancis fools’? Are you prepared to go against your own leaders simply because they are not wearing their anger on their sleeves? Anyone can be angry for that’s easy, to paraphrase Aristotle of Greece, but to be angry with the right person, in the right time, and at the right degree, that is not easy! It requires a different level of rajjuulah, xikmah, and conviction of Allah’s nasr and tamkiin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites