President Rayale’s visit: an opportunity for the US

[A.J.]

Originally posted by Ghanima:

Everyone is out for their own interest and everyone has the means to defend their interest...every nation has the

means

, Somaliland does not have the means nor the capability to make sure it's interest are preserved first and foremost. Somaliland is not exactly in a position to negotiate with the US on a balanced terms are they now? The relationship is more like, “I will throw you a lifeline and you become my bi*tch”

Ghanima,

 

You are not listening really are you. I dont know what makes you think Somaliland is willing to do anything that is asked of it in return for international recognition. you seem to suggest that if the US helps Somaliland then Somaliland will become america's 'errand boy'. Nothing that Somaliland has done so far suggest somaliland will do anything that harms its sovereignty and indepedence to make its own decision.

 

If the US decides to help Somaliland or recognise it for that matter then it is of their account and not of Somaliland saying we will do this if you give us that. America itself has recently debated a shift in focus in the horn of africa to without any promises or even indications from Somaliland.

 

Ofcourse nothing comes free but one thing is for sure, Somalilands sovereigncy and independent decision making will not be diluted for the sake of international recognition.

 

Somaliland will accept international help and preferrably recognition, but it will not come at the cost of its respect, dignity or sovereignty to attain it :rolleyes:

[NGONGE]

^^ Utter rubbish. The bottom line is that without recognition there will not be a Somaliland. Dignity, principles and other twaddle do not come into it. It is one thing making concessions and agreeing to dance to the tune of the USA for that recognition with your eyes wide open, and it's another to do so without realising.

 

Keep your eyes wide open, saaxib. I don't want you to be disappointed later.

[A.J.]

NGONGE,

 

Perhaps for you ‘Dignity, principles and other virtues’ don’t mean anything but to any self-respecting human being they are vital.

[NGONGE]

^^ Get over yourself son and talk sense. Next you'll be telling me to talk to the hand!

 

Do you actually understand politics? Realise how difficult it is to attain recognition? Know that there will inevitably come a time of reckoning and paying up the of previous debts (symbolic debts)?

 

There are no 'self-respecting' human beings in politics, my son. Clear that idea right out of your head...

[Juje]

Originally posted by A.J.:

I dont know what makes you think Somaliland is willing to do anything that is asked of it in return for international recognition. you seem to suggest that if the US helps Somaliland then Somaliland will become america's 'errand boy'. Nothing that Somaliland has done so far suggest somaliland will do anything that harms its sovereignty and indepedence to make its own decision.

Ay.! You have short memory sxb. The many things S/land has done for Ethiopia in pursuance of recognition is countless - the outstanding one is apprehending and exraditing hundreds of Somalis on the presumptions that they are criminals who committed crimes in Ethiopia. The expelling of journalist from the south of the border recently itself was the job of an errand-boy. And that was only for Ethiopia. Hence I believe it is an achievement if you get the same status with the US of A. - so don't be ashamed of it. Though on the other hand a recognition is a far fetched ambition for an errand boy. An invitation to a seminar in US, and the odd mention of S/.land in PM questions time by a back-bencher MP in the Commons should not raise your hopes.

[AfricaOwn]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ Get over yourself son and talk sense. Next you'll be telling me to talk to the hand!

 

Do you actually understand politics? Realise how difficult it is to attain recognition? Know that there will inevitably come a time of reckoning and paying up the of previous debts (symbolic debts)?

 

There are no 'self-respecting' human beings in politics, my son. Clear that idea right out of your head...

Let the people have their dream. At least they have something to stand for....Where do you belong?

[NGONGE]

^^ Did my words annoy you or something? What;'s my belonging got to do with my quote above?

 

Dreamers have something to stand for? God give me strength! Where did you all crawl out from?

[AfricaOwn]

^^^

 

You're just an annoying old man in general. Pick your side of the fence and........

[me]

Originally posted by AfricaOwn:

^^^

 

You're just an annoying old man in general. Pick your side of the fence and........

[NGONGE]

Heh. How juvenile!

[Johnny B]

Originally posted by AfricaOwn:

^^^

 

You're just an annoying old man in general.

Pick your side of the fence and........

Aaaaaaah, NGONGE and his beloved fence-sitting !

[me]

^NGONGE waa shaky baryahan...armuu kan yari ka tuuraa fencekiisa.

[Johnny B]

Me. No risk of that , but what is amazing is the reason dêtre of Mr AfricaNow's base of support regarding "his" Somaliland people ,and "their" wonderful dream and "his" responsibility to safeguard that dream.

 

I think its about time i dust off my tiny Somaliland flag !!

[xiinfaniin]

^^Xattaa anta yaa Johnny B? I mean you had a SL flag!

[A.J.]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ Get over yourself son and talk sense. Next you'll be telling me to talk to the hand!

 

Do you actually understand politics? Realise how difficult it is to attain recognition? Know that there will inevitably come a time of reckoning and paying up the of previous debts (symbolic debts)?

 

There are no 'self-respecting' human beings in politics, my son. Clear that idea right out of your head...

This old guy is getting all hyper now , take it easy old man before you have a heart attack.

 

I dont what planet you have been living on but i have said nothing other then the fact that recognition is very hard to come by. But contrary to the believe of many anti-somaliland folk, Somaliland has kept its principles in this ardous task of looking to gain recognition.

 

Somaliland is a country of the people and will not allow any politician to sell it out for anything. However if recognition can be gained on a satisfactory terms for Somaliland it will come one day, which might be tomorrow or it may take another 50 years.

 

In the mean time i suggest you take a few more chill pills and loosen up old man before you actually loose it if you havent alread