Advice to the TFG!

[Khalaf]

Um getting more and more news from whats going on, and watch some of the videos, eating each other alive whoe!. I am still very much convinced this is not about defending the nation, or about religion for the opposition, I think its about hungri same ol morya*n...i don’t see shabeebs as in beginning of war who fought following islamic guidelines ect.......no need lecture me folks that’s how it looks to me let it go, cant compare dis to Iraq either, most of Somalia is at peace. Hadaba the government and Ethiopian supporters have suffered looses at least symbolically: helicopter down 13 dead, Ethiopian soldiers captured, and humiliated.....waraa these niggas in xamar can fight hahaha they even took the pants off, and stold their money damn.......16 years of practice in urban warfare is good practice eh, mida kale raagaas ma naxaan, they don’t care for the civilians, their wives, children are used to war and are fighting in urban areas advantage to them, its their territory.........the Ethiopians have disadvantage in urban warfare so they can only just shell the areas and kill the women and children, creating more innocent casualties, and destruction....and hence anger from the population and fuel to the resistance........this is not the way to go.........what is this so called government thinking? why do they even need xamar horta? Do they want to defeat insurgents or build a government? If it is to defeat insurgents, history is lesson this is not da way to go.....u only create more anger......and no matter the might of your army u cant rule a population that is against you.

 

 

Heres what I would suggest to this TFG side if I was their political advisor, the policy they are pursing only results in killing more innocent lives, ceasefire immediately. Pull out military personal of urban areas, to the airport ect,....which u control. Put a lock down on Xamar nothing goes in, nothing goes out, relocate your government to a friendly city kismaayo or badio, pursue this policy as long as it takes. Time is on the side of the TFG not the opposition, but if they pursue this current policy they will only fail.

 

 

I think is best choice, stop the fighting, relocate this government........and isolate xamar from rest of the country.

[JJ_MAHAD]

My advice is the following:

 

Call for unconditional immediate ceasefire.

 

Ask Ethiopian troops to leave somalia.

 

Call the ICU leaders back.

 

Let the AU forces take incharge security of the important ereas in the capital.

 

Declare the resignation of the TFG in six months time including the parliament's dismantle .

 

Hold a national reconciliation in mogadisho organised by a joint members of TFG and ICU and other somalis. A new government should be the outcome.

 

All the armed goverment militia, clan militia and the ICU fighters should be relocated to camps outside the capital.

 

Hope they will listen this time

[Khalaf]

^^^ u think that is realistic tho?

[JJ_MAHAD]

Khalaf,

It is realistic if the tfg is indeed incharge which I dont see at the moment.

Every part may accept a deal if there is no humiliation in it.

 

Can the government call a ceasfire without the blessing of Ethios? the answer will determine all other things.

[Khalaf]

Absolutely not JJ, the TFG is not in charge sxb ....zaweli dude is running things, and he gets orders from higher ups....i saw him on aljazeera dude is copy-cat of Bush sxb kibir, saying he'll smoke the terrorists within weeks... he dont care for ethio soliders, or innocent somalis that will be killed in process....even the ethiopian population are against him, tho its all about supporting their soliders against "terrorism"....which is bull, their is no terrorism.....however as of now i dont think its a national or religious resistance in somalia, if it was it would have a different feel to it......tho its all good if ethios get smoked, long as there is no burnings.....but for them to sacrifice their blood and money sxb........um sure that helicopter cost millions....there in it for long hole....and want to leave destruction looks like

 

That is why this war doesn’t benefit any somali be they this so called government or the so called opposition.....only somali civilians suffer the most, Ethiopians are shelling neighborhoods, innocent ppl are dying.........xamar is the only fire in Somalia an unrulely city....leave it, that is if they-the TFG want peace.....go to friendly city....this is best for Somalia, and pursue diplomatic policy and defend your controlled territory-airports, most of the south are under ur control u don’t need xamar, cut it off if ur smart.........but it looks likes Somalis aren’t running things on TFG side........and the opposition is all about kicking butt doesn’t look like they have an effective objective after the conflict.......either way looks screwed......unless they leave xamar......priority should be to minimize the damage to the civilians.....who um sure most just want peace.....and dont care for politics

[Xoogsade]

Khalaf, you should still side with your fellow somalis for now and later support your Uncle's presidency when it is between somali clans deciding their future together. That way, you get to satisfy your clanist leaning and share victory with your kinsmen fighting the Xabashis.

 

Where is your blood connection to Somalis being slaughtered? In times of war between somalis and Xabashis, you set aside your bias agaisnt your somali foes.

[Khalaf]

^^^Sxb i am on the side of my fellow somalis, i want to save their lives and minimize the destruction to our country, stop using your uncle this and dat sxb, if this was about clan to me i wouldnt have supported the ICU when they were at the hight of their power and some thought they would even capture mudag, i was with them back den, however disagreed with their methods/characters, and nope i dont c shabaabs nor does this look or smell like a national/religious resistance....neither side benefits somalia, immediate ceasefire is best way to go, reread my statements. U have no unity in somalia, look at somalia thats what um doing.

 

One question for u: lets say the opposition which is still to this day yaa xoogsade is still one section of somalia gets their objective and what is that: kick out the ethios, TFG wont rule Xamar? What then after the conflict? Arent we back to scare one? diplomcy is best way forward sxb

[JJ_MAHAD]

Xoogsade,

 

Somalis have every right to defend their country.

 

Are they united in that goal?

 

How they can be united?

 

What's the plan if Ethios loose this war and leave somalia?

 

What other plan B's if the outcome is the opposite?

[Captain Xalane]

Khalaf what we need now is not to give them time to breathe.Civilians are dying so what?Weren't they dying around them anyways?Well,what the TFg needs to make sure is that it brings the involved xaafado down on their knees and even if they have to shell from house to house,they should go for it.This should continue till they themselves come out sayings ''Abeed'' as of they submit themselves to the will of the government.Even when that is done,each and every involved member should be hunted down and liquidated.Sxb Somalia needs a military muscle and thats what is being done now.No one should feel sorry for anything,if one should,feel sorry for all the pple that had to die and still are dying for nothing.Besides,aren't those the pple they sent their kids to the front to be wasted and now what,they are using the parents as human shields?No sxb,the Drill should go on.

[Xoogsade]

JJ-MAHAD,

 

People are united if we consider the sentiments expressed by the majority of somalis and ignore people like Duke and Khalaf, or TFG spokespersons in muqdisho like Jeelle. I myself thought the war will be left to few subclans in Xamar but found out that there are more and more somalis joining them, including the same TFG militias who were supposed to fight on behalf of their paymaster. As to your second question, more unity can be achieved to make this war a somali war, an islamic war, and a war for liberating Muqdisho from Zenawi's hold on it. As long as the leaders of the opposition avoid hateful comments towards other clans, avoid wrongly equating all puntlanders to A/Y and cronies, and they show nobility in how they deal with their fellow somalis fighting against them, people will support the war against the Ethiopain Army. Many won't care what some misguided anti-tfg person says over the airwaves and will support the war against the Xabahis anyway.

 

 

Khalaf,

 

 

It is difficult to foretell what the future holds for the TFG. The longer the war drags on, the dimmer their chances of surivial. They have screwed up big time and if you listened to bbc today, Geeddi was actually downplaying the death of so many innocents in the hands of the Xabashis.

[Ebyan]

Do you really think a ceasefire would work? Why should the government sit by and give these 'insurgents' time to regroup and improve their tactics/strategies so they can later attack the government? Somalis only understand force, these 'insurgents' will never give up willingly, so the government is left with no other option but to use force.

[Khalaf]

Inalilahi wa inaa ilayhi raajicoon...........now u and I are cool Xalaan....but ur mindset is why genocides occur man.......acudu billihi sxb, where’s ur iman ninyow wa daad muslim ah, oo somali ahh, women, children who are too poor to run away, did u hear the mother on bbc today her crys......and those who are doing this are kufar.......while back u were praising morgans, ninyahow xaraam man...by Allah I would put bullet in his head i heard his crimes and many others alive today if I had power..... What about rules of engement, rules of war, ethics sxb? DO U like Hitler man? Shelling neighborhoods is warcrimes.....rules of Islam which says to minimize blood at all costs, do u know its haram to even cut down a tree in rules of war according to Islam........come on man

 

I gave the advice to TFG on this thread, just as I did months ago to ICU for an effective strategy.....but I know they don’t read SOL.....um a genius dee. Why does the TFG need xamaar? If they follow ur policy u only anger the population, and set around 2 million of populace against u....more blood sheed and further away of unity and of government regardless of the outcome of the conflict.

 

They don’t need xamar, they control all of the south....they can just relocate to friendly area even in xamar and isolate this section of resistance, nothin goes in nothin goes out.....supplies would run dry for the opposition, and no one gets killed....puruse diplomatic measures from there.....or they can take the role of Bushie neocons their call. wa iga taalo hadaba...

 

 

JJ good questions sxb.....both sides are blind sxb....its all about "liquidating" the other side, not solving somalia's underlying problems and restoring the state.....

 

 

Edit: "ignore people like Duke and Khalaf,"

 

^^^sxb TFG spokesperon? I speak the truth, and reality on ground, u damn sure know there is no unity in somalia, and u have not answered my question, the day after the conflict u are back to square one....because u have no effective stragety from opposition, and ethiopia is supported by world-powers the opposition doesnt even have unity in the city of xamar, and they wont because i gurantee u if this TFG is smart they will do what i mentioned here...i dont believe in this hype of either side....neither side benefits somalia.

 

 

Violet walaalshiis that is not best stragety for TFG side....ppl listen to Khalaf....genious yo

[Captain Xalane]

Khalaf Fine bro.let me put it in another way.

 

Women + children + combatants ---->attack the TFG--->TFG doesn't retaliate =Enemy's claim of victory + chaos + disunity + loss of time.

 

Then consider this.

 

Combatants---->TFG--->Results = peace,No or less civilian casualty.(The enemy won't use this)

 

 

Women + children + combatants ---->Drills with the TFG---->TFG retaliates---->victory for every somalian + order and regulation + functioning institutions + rebuilding the nation --> a new nation,a somalia.

 

Now Khalaf,to round up pple and just shoot them and to retaliate and shell where the enemy is using as a hide out are two different things brother.Morgan did his job as a soldier,its not his fault that things went wrong if they went wrong and thus in situations like that,its not the individual General that should be blamed but the chain of command up to the commander in chief himself,thats if blames are to be made at all(though we know it was the SNM that used the civilians as human shields and thus the SNA had no choice).We have to achieve peace and by all means that should be the objective.Our pple die of hunger,they die of diseases and what have u,they even are sold to the mere river waters that nature provided for them.There are many things that indeed are far worse than death and death is better for them than having to live another 16 years of what they have been through.Ninyohow the kids who were born in 1991,thats a whole generation of Zero since nothing can be done for them.How many more Generations are we willing to lose for the sake of some ignorant elder?No bro,what we need is a military muscle,one that will make the enemy bleed,one that will not make them safe even behind women and children and its that which they should clearly be showed.Diplomacy failed in somalia,Give the military solution a chance.

[Ebyan]

Khalaf, the TFG needs Xamar because it's the capital of Somalia. How can one claim to control the country if they don't control the capital? They tried the whole diplomacy bit and it hasn't worked for them thus far. Bro, the government didn't just start bombing areas; they gave the civilians in these areas fair warning and told them to evacuate as soon as possible. The TFG HAS TO secure the capital and I'm sorry but they only way they can achieve this is by defeating the opposition. They have to use force because there's no way the government can negotiate with 'people' who drag and torch bodies.

[JJ_MAHAD]

TFG needs Xamar that is a fact.

 

How can they get Xamar under their control?

 

If you blief carbet bombing a whole districts will give them that control then, it is time to check your conciences as a Muslim and Somali person.

 

Khalaf, They tried relocations and never worked out.