Channel 4 report on Somali clan courts..

[Captain Xalane]

The ICU is as good as a failure.They are done.The more they show ,the more they get to be understood.

I don't buy the alqaida thing.Those folks are doing their own clan thing,and are using islam for that purpose and the mujahid stuff that folks say about them is nothing but an exaggertaion.Its good though,the more they are compared to taliban,the more they lose their international image.Nice.In the video,a young man,an ex warlord puppet,as he claimed,was talking and he said that he was raping,looting,killing for the warlords.Now he says that is a thing of the past.The whole ICU army is compromised of such men,they are testifying all their faults against themselves and in Islam,aren't they liable for it?yes they are.But the courts dont mind that,since they are willing to rape,loot and kill for them just as they have done the same job for the warlords.Nice catch.So the question is,a man who went all the way as to be doing all those sins as he himself admitted,would he not do them again under the supposed fake sheikhs?Think about it..

[Didi Kong]

^That is the status quo in all of Somalia. There aren't too many innocent people. What do you expect from Sheikh Sherif and the ICU? to start hunting down the surviving family members' of the victims so they could extract retribution on their behalf? It is too time consuming and a damn near impossible task to undertake. Getting international recognition would be an easier feat to accomplish.

[N.O.R.F]

The Poppy is a must for anyone appearing on TV in Oct/Nov or he may just want the TFG to get some much needed credibility

 

The video was probably done by an eager editor with too much time on his hands. Maybe it was a TFG supporter - Duke? sorry could'nt resist

[me]

Originally posted by Sharmakee:

me hows the north kacdoon saxiib

Its coming along just fine. About the clan issues, we are all clans. Every Somali that will rule Somalia will be born from a clan. So we can't keep undermining every leader by pointing out the clan he was born from, the best way would be to support people is on their ideologies instead of their clans. If we truly want peace now then we should join or support the ICU and share our ideas with them. We can't just sit around and keep accusing them of being clannish. Its the responsibility of every Somalia to influence the courts for the right direction.

 

I am hopeful when I see wadaad movements in Hargeysa, Burco, Laas Caanood, Laas Qoray, GaalKacyo. It shows us that the people are connected and they are willing to support this revolution. The warlords, The warlord government, The mini-states have had their time, maybe its time we tried something different. We are close, we have never been closer to uniting Somalia since 1991.

 

Allot of things about the ICU scare me but I am still willing to support them. I am tired of this never ending clan warfare. The best way to end this war would be if we all support the ICU today, just like the people in all over the Somali inhabited Horn of Africa are supporting them today.

 

There is this saying that goes, if you want to make a man trustworthy, then trust him.

[Khalaf]

The video made me very happy. The more islamization, and "arabization" they are accused, the more links to taliban and alqeeda the better! Somalinimo is qabilnimo in disguise qabil is nationalism, when u get rid of common enemy (nationalism-ethopia) turn to fight each other for qabil internests- small scale nationalism.

 

But until the ICU leadership is mainly one clan and one clan is making policy ( no excuse the region is a majority one clan-if u proclaim Islam then its no longer about clan invite all Muslims as the Prophet scw did in medina)......then this is bilash....reminds me of animal farm.....corruption, abuse of power, totalitarism results after a popular revolution.

[me]

^^ War naga tag. Somalinimo YES, Carab iska doon NO.

 

Soomaaliya Soomaalida ayaa iska leh, we are gonna invite hebel iyo hebel mar damba yaa lagaa maqlin. Hadii aad islaamnimo iyo walaaltinimo doonaysid Sucuudiga tag maanta, ha la arko sida walaalahaa ay kuula dhaqmaan. Arag bal walaaltinimada kuu diidaysa in aad HAJKA aadid.

 

Carab iyo cid walba oo umadayna dhibtay, nolosha ayaan ku cadaabaynaa marka aan hoogeena soo ceshano. Mark my words!

[Khalaf]

jazaklahu khayran sxb me, i have difficult w/ somali but u write in af somali-waqooyi somali harder to read!

 

If what i saw in the video is true i would support them (the black flag-the flag of our rasul scw :cool: )....ninyahow i am very confused tho...i dont know what to believe! I know many Dukes and they change my mind looooool....one of them said that whoever supports the ICU and is not their clan most be possessed by jiin, that the sheikhs read something on them and wa neive.

 

ps: whats the percentage of somalis that support the ideology of the courts whom somalis refer to as ikwaan?

[General Duke]

The ICU is as good as a failure.They are done.The more they show ,the more they get to be understood.

I don't buy the alqaida thing.Those folks are doing their own clan thing,and are using islam for that purpose and the mujahid stuff that folks say about them is nothing but an exaggertaion.Its good though,the more they are compared to taliban,the more they lose their international image.Nice.In the video,a young man,an ex warlord puppet,as he claimed,was talking and he said that he was raping,looting,killing for the warlords.Now he says that is a thing of the past.The whole ICU army is compromised of such men,they are testifying all their faults against themselves and in Islam,aren't they liable for it?yes they are.But the courts dont mind that,since they are willing to rape,loot and kill for them just as they have done the same job for the warlords.Nice catch.So the question is,a man who went all the way as to be doing all those sins as he himself admitted,would he not do them again under the supposed fake sheikhs?Think about it..

Also are we to belive that these clan millitia will not break down undert pressure and then claim to have been clan and not religion. They will swap the head scarfs for the sarong again.

 

Northener, the video, I have not seen was being sold in Mogadishu and the courts have not even denied its existance. Abu Cutayba is one of their leaders in Mogadishu.

[Captain Xalane]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Also are we to belive that these clan millitia will not break down undert pressure and then claim to have been clan and not religion. They will swap the head scarfs for the sarong again.

[/QB]

They sure will break.But when they do,and eventually there is doubt in their going down coz the truth will come out,that is when i sure wanna see how many of the Pro Cadanis and the warden will react.They ought to think.They got to.

[Khalaf]

^^^I have question for u sxb say somalia was Afganistan and u were spectator to all of this:

 

Who would u favor:

 

A. The taliban

B. The Northern Alliance

[Captain Xalane]

No somalian can answer this,only an afghani who has lived under both the two administrations can.

[Khalaf]

^^^^lol my brother. Have any of us then lived under either the TFG or the ICU yet we think we know everything nooh and who is right and wrong. come now brother!

[Captain Xalane]

Fine.u say that none of us has lived under the TFG nor the ICU and that is true.U have a government and on the other hand u have a union of clan courts.These are two powers that oppose each and why do u think they oppose each other?Nobody knows what is right and what is wrong but did it occured to u :

 

1.Right before the ICU was engaged with the warlords,the former army officers were being executed in xamar .Why do u think this was done?

 

2.Why does the ICU oppose a legitimate elected government and what its interests are in doing so?

 

3.The timing of the ICU,why unite only after the election of the TFG.

 

4.IF the interests of the ICU was peace for somalia,now that we have a Government,why not give peace a shot,since this government has a time duration.After all,what is there to lose,an other government can always be elected after this administration has served its time.

 

My claim is that we have a government and we have clan courts that use Islam to play their political games.Which one should i follow?I chose the government and even if i chose wrong,i better chooce that which i know than chooce an organization that i have no idea as to what its agendas are.The whole basis of the ICU is to object this new Government for no reason other than tribal stuff.Its all clear for any one who wants to accept the common truths.Come on nooh brother,u ought to think.

[Khalaf]

Good points and well said LX. but both can not co-exist in the long-run even if peace is given shoot, there will be war eventually. I dont support a secular government that gives lip service to Islam and is aided by kufar governments. The only issue i have with the ICU is that their leadership is mainly one clan, and disagree with their tactics which will if they dont smarten up lead to their down fall. I know this for sure tho if the ICU is truely islamic bet uncle sam will do everything it can to undermine it (terrorism, ect)....if they are not islamic uncle sam will let them be and let the africans kill each other.

[Captain Xalane]

Originally posted by Khalaf:

I dont support a secular government that gives lip service to Islam and is aided by kufar governments.

Brother Khalaf,war is inevitable and who ever wins,will bring back peace but that being that,the kufar governments aid every existing islamic nations,including saudi itself so if they aid us,why would we have a problem with their aid?The pple are tired Khalaf and its time all this craziness stopped.One Government inshaAllah,and we'll get that after this Great War,the one we await.Things look Good Khalaf.