Welsh Parliament Invites Somaliland Parliament

[Jaylaani]

^^The reason is very simple…. CLEAN YOUR HOUSE FIRST...everything else is secondary.

[Xarago]

Jaylani whether they clean it or not, though I suspect whether there will be any cleaning at all according to Maxamed Dheere , the desire for different entity is still valid and not negotiable and would be achieved,Inshallah, with or without their consent.

[Jaylaani]

Xarago,

That achievement is already accomplished in my book. The will of the people will always prevail.

 

I was jut trying to encourage the brother.

[codetalker]

the desire for different entity is still valid and not negotiable and

would be achieved,Inshallah, with or without their consent

.

Really? How? Oops, I know: By building a massive military force and delegating close to 60% of the meager annual income to the ciidanka:

 

Sida ku qayaxan miisaaniyadani waa mid xooga la saray sirdoonka iyo ciidamada sidii kuwii hore. Waxa kale oo u daliil ah hadalkii uu wasiirka maaliyado Xuseen (Cawil) Cali Ducaale ku hal qabsaday markii uu miisaniyada u gudbinaayay Golha Wakiilada ee ahaa sidan, “Wasiirka Uganda ayaa aniga iyo Wasiirka Khaarajiga Marwo Edna Adan nagu yidhi ictiraaf waxa idiinku dhaw ciidan xoog weyn oo aa sameysataanâ€. Haddi aay taasi dhab tahey miisaaniyadani waa tii Somaliland lagu ictiraaf lahaa waayo boqolkiiba in ku dhaw lixdan (60%) ayaa sirdoon iyo ciidan ku baxaysa[/b].

 

This, of course, at the heels of the The worst drought in three decades in Somaliland. Do you diehard zealots ever question ina Riyaale (and his cohorts) or would that be akin of "national treason"?

[Xarago]

Cheap, very cheap.! Try another argument walalo or even better replay Maxamed Dheere's interview that might enlighten you...

[codetalker]

^

 

Trying to avoid the charge of "treason" - even on SOL, huh. Cabsida aad qabtid waynaa.

 

The report about SL's treasury was actually written by a diehard Somaliland nationalist (Ali Gulaid). You can find his other writings all over the Internet. I assure you, its not propaganda written by "the enemy" nor is it a cheap argument. If the numbers he published aren't real, can you refute his argument (in part or in whole)? :confused:

 

Dhulka Ummad kale dulmi ku haay, Dhulkiinana duli ku noqo. Must be the hal-ku-dhig of ina Riyaale's government.

 

Ciidanka Asluubta waxa haysta nin

reer Awdal

ah oo la yidhaahdo Suldan Cabdi Guray oo Madaxweynuhu isku haleyn ku qabo. Daayaca jeelasha ka taagan waa mid laga wada dherigsan yahey aniguna hadda ku celin maayo. Kharashka lagu qoray Ciidanka Asluubtu waa ($1,344,464) waxaanu ka badan yahey todoba (7) wasaaradood oo la isku daray oo isku noqonaaya $1,333,340 ku waas oo kala ah:

a Cadaladda $89,100

b Beeraha $244,896

c Ganacsiga $217,538

d Kaluumiysiga $251,866

e Reer Guuraaga $217,427

f Xoolaha $267,500

g Xidhiidinta golayasha $45,010

Hard to miss the overt clan sentiments, no?

 

But hey, feel free to avoid the issue. I don't you want you to commit "treason", after all.

[Jaylaani]

^^^So there is a corruption in Somaliland, is that what you’re saying?

 

Corruption isn’t foreign to African nations. Instead of hiding the shortcomings of our government, the article was written by Somalilander so we can eliminate such problem.

[N.O.R.F]

Like i predicted before the parliamentary elections. The Govnt will be held accountable for the 'mismanagement' of funds and misleading the general public. If Somaliland is being criticised for holding those people to account (excuse the pun), then so be it, who cares?

 

The House May Introduce‎ Drastic Amendments To The Budget Bill

 

By Somalilandtimes network

 

Hargeysa, Somaliland , March 4, 2006 – The House of Representatives is likely to introduce drastic amendments to the government’s budget bill when it come the floor for debate next Monday.

 

Most of House members have already voiced criticism against the bill as containing fundamental flaws that must be addressed.

 

In a last week report to the House, the select committee on Financial Affairs had expressed concerns over a number of flaws in the budget such as the lack of a breakdown of government revenues to regional, district and ministerial levels, the lack of public account statements corresponding to the financial information submitted to the legislature and the unavailability of verifiable figures on the numbers of government employees and members of the security forces as well.

 

The committee noted a reluctance among officials of the ministry of Finance to provide information, coupled with an apparent lack of professionalism among the leading staff.

 

Meanwhile, there is a strong suspicion among House legislators that the government has over the years been misleading the public about the size of its revenues budget.

 

According to a number of financial experts familiar with this government’s public accounts, annual revenue budgets submitted to parliament were often 40-50% less than the achievable targets.

 

For instance the actual government revenues achieved in the fiscal year 2003 was about $22 million dollars in surplus of the budget estimate submitted to the house as indicated in a booklet published by the ministry of Planning. For the year 2000 the difference totaled roughly $8.5 million.

 

The revelations came amid reports that a number of senior government officials bought expensive properties abroad. Allegations have also been mounting that some senior officials have been systematically embezzling the government of millions of dollars in foreign exchange earnings.

 

Source: Somaliland Times

[N.O.R.F]

Somaliland Parliament Speaker Received By ‎His UK Counterpart, Major Political Parties

 

 

Pakistani prime-minister Shoukat Aziz (centre) and Speaker of Somaliland’s House of Representatives, Abdirahman Mohamed Abdillahi (Erro) (right) and Labour MP Alun Michael of Cardiff.

 

London, March 11, 2006 – The speaker of Somaliland parliament Abdirahman Mohamed Abdillahi (Erro) held separate talks in London Thursday with officials from Britain’s 3 major political parties; Labor, the Conservatives and the Liberals.

 

On Wednesday, Abdirahman Erro met with the acting speaker of the British House of Commons, Ms Sylvia Heal in London .

 

“The honorable acting speaker of the House of Commons received us well and after briefing her on Somaliland’s democratic achievements, we have raised with her a number of issues including a possible UK institutional support for our newly elected parliament†Erro told the Somaliland Times shortly after the meeting.

 

During the meeting with the British parliament speaker, Abdirahman Erro who is from the opposition Welfare and Justice Party, was accompanied by Abdul Qadir Jirde, current member and former deputy speaker of the House.

 

The request for the meeting received support from a number of MPs led by Allun Michael of Cardiff . However Ms Heal who officially holds the position of deputy speaker had to clear it with the Foreign Office before giving her consent. The British parliament’s current speaker, Michael Martin, has been on a medical leave.

 

While in the House of Commons, Abdirahman Erro also met briefly with the Pakistani prime-minister Shoukat Aziz who was scheduled to appear before a special session on Islam , Pakistan and the conflict in Kashmir .

 

In the next few days, Erro is expected to address meetings to be organized by Somaliland communities living in a number of UK cities such as Sheffield and Birmingham .

 

The visit to the UK by the Somaliland parliament’s speaker originally started in Cardiff , Wales , where he attended the 1 st of March opening of the Welsh National Assembly’s Senedd building by the Queen. He was one of the officially invited list of guests representing parliaments in 90 countries.

 

 

Speaker of Somaliland’s House of Representatives, Abdirahman Mohamed Abdillahi (Erro) with Labour MP Alun Michael of Cardiff, Wales, (from left: Dr Dihod, Fasal Ali (U.I.D chairman), Osman Ahmed, Abdikarim Adan from the Somaliland Community in Cardiff and Abdul Qadir Jirde.)

 

The invitation was issued by the Senedd at the request of the Somaliland community in Wales , the oldest African group to settle in the UK . The request also received support from a consortium of Welsh politicians and civic leaders.

 

The visit has been viewed by observers as another sign of the growing international acceptance of Somaliland ’s defacto independence.

 

Erro was chosen as speaker of the lower house of parliament following the September 2005 legislative elections. The opposition’s Welfare and Justice Party (UCID) and the Solidarity Party (KULMIYE) had between them won 49 of the 82-seat parliament.

 

Meanwhile speaker Erro met Thursday with officials of the Foreign and Commonwealth office in London . He also took part in another meeting held in the British parliament on the issue of economic development in Somaliland .

 

The meeing was attended by many British and Somaliland officials. Participants included KULMIYE party leader, Ahmed Sillanyo, Paul Heal (Dfid), Martin Lambert, FCO, eastern Africa department, Abdul Qadir Jirde, MP, Ambassador Myles Wickstead (Africa Commission), Anna Lake (Horn of Africa, Dfid), Daniel Drake (Second secretary –political – UK Embassy, Addis Ababa), David Brooks (Anglo-Somali Society), Edward Mason (Independent diplomat), Sally Healy (Independent diplomat), Robin Gwynn, FCO, head of Africa depart (Equatorial), Martin Hill (Amnesty International), Robin Le Mare (Action Aid), Richard Dowden (RAS), Kaysar Abdillahi (Editor, Somali Voice), Mustafa Abdi Gamute (Bristol), Said Jama (Bristol), Hussein Assad (Bristol), Hassan Hussein Shide (Bristol), Lul Farah (Somaliland Forum), Abdifatah Said (Somaliland Govt) and Osman Ahmed Hassan (Somaliland Govt).

 

Source: Somaliland Times

[Xoogsade]

Blessed, It negates Somalinimo when a somali person who disembarked at Hargeysa Airport or who Wants to get in through the border is told he must be from the Clan or the clans in the north with proof and his somali passport will not be accepted. I have seen someone who lived in Hargeysa for a while whose wife is from there. He eventually went to Bosaso and traveled to other Somali towns. His view was that you feel more welcome and Somali in other Somali regions and towns than you feel in Hargeysa. The place exudes clanism in the extreme. To put it bluntly, people are more racists to their own than the rest of somalis. All this twisted behaviour has to do with the concept of Somaliland and viewing the rest of Somalis to be outsiders. To maintain distinctiveness, and for you to be able to be separated from people you look like, behave like and share a lot with, you have to pretend you are different first then impose on them with the whole world looking on, uncalled for measures that prove their different nationality right? Anyways, you get the idea. This is exactly how every somali views people over there who are obsessed with what they call Somaliland. Fortunately, those same somalis from the north who are obsessed with the creation of clan state out of nowhere can go to any Somali town they please with no one questioning their Somalinimo or asking them why they are in a certain town doing business.

 

 

Maakhir

 

My curiousity about the North is that why these secessionist minded people have the loudest voice when there are large communities who oppose their choice? Is there some material online or a radio the rest of us can access and see/hear for ourselves how other somali clans are dealing with this issue of Somaliland Secession?

[Jaylaani]

I think your argument has no merit. Here is why.

 

Not only Somalilanders can navigate Somalia but so as others such Ethiopian. Establish legitimate and accountable administration with policy and procedures in place and things will be different. You have no one to blame but your self on that one bro.

 

 

Somaliland can control and patrol its borders because they can. That is what effective government supposed to do. Try to travel to Djibouti with your Somali passport without visa and your asz will be shipped back to Qardho.

 

 

BTW, can you define Somalinimo for me please? I think that term is way over used.

 

 

P.S. I think you should worry about why the most powerful war lords in Somalia are boycotting the Baydhabo conference rather than focusing Somaliland affairs with has nothing to do with you.

 

Read the article below.

 

Inta badan Wasiirrada hubeysan ee Beesha ****** oo ka maqan Shirka Baarlamaanka Baydhabo

Talaado, March 14, 2006(HOL): Shirka ay Xubnaha Baarlamaanka Soomaaliyeed ku leeyihiin magaalada Baydhabo oo tan iyo markii uu furmay 26-kii Febraayo 2006 ilaa 4 jeer isu yimid ayaa waxaa ka maqan ilaa iyo haatan inta badan Wasiirrada hubeysan ee ka soo jeeda ****** , kuwaasi oo la dhihi karo waxay fure u yihiin xal ka gaarista dhibaatada taala Caasimadda Soomaaliya ee Muqdisho oo haddii dawo loo helo ay sahal noqoneyso in xal loo helo gobollada kale ee dalka.

Marka laga soo tago Ra'iisal Wasaare Geedi iyo Wasiirka Lacagta C/kariin Axmed Cali oo beesha ****** ka soo jeeda, waxaa shirka ka maqan Wasiirka Amniga Maxamed Qanyare Afrax, Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha Xuseen Maxamed Caydiid, Wasiirka Ganacsiga Muuse Suudi Yalaxow, Wasiirka Howlaha Guud iyo Guriyeynta Cusmaan Xasan Cali (Caato), Wasiirka Hub ka dhigista iyo dhaqancelinta Maleeshiyooyinka Bootaan Ciise Caalin, Wasiirka Awqaafta iyo Arrimaha Diinta Cumar Maxamed Maxamuud (Cumar Filish), Wasiirka Horumarinta Reer Miyiga Maxamed Maxamuud Guuleed (Gacma-Dheere) iyo kuwo kale.

Sida cid kasta dareemi karto, shirka Baydhabo weli waxaa ka maqan hoggaamiyayaashii Muqdisho ku hubeysnaa ee xal ka gaarista caasimadda Muqdisho ay u lug xirneyd, inkastoo qaar ka mid ah ay howlo nabadgelyo ugu maqan yihiin gobollada Mudug iyo Galgaduud, halka kuwo kalena ay ku furan tahay colaad ka dhalatay Isbaheysi ay Muqdisho kaga dhawaaqeen.

Dad badan oo Soomaali ah oo la socday is-bed-bedelka siyaasadda Soomaaliya ayaa waxay saadaalinayaan in shirka Baydhabo oo aaney ka qeybgelin hoggaamiyayaasha hubeysan ee ka soo jeeda Beesha ****** ay miraha ka soo baxa noqon karaan kuwo aakhirka la yiraahdo looma dhama, taasi oo 15-kii sano ee aynu ka soo gudubnay ahayd hal heys caado noqday oo shirarka Soomaalida iyo natiijooyinkooda lagu fashiliyo.

Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis) Hiiraan Online

sxiis@hiiraan.com

Mogadishu, Somalia

[Blessed]

....and round and round we go. :rolleyes:

 

Note to self: leave Somali polshitics alone!