How is Nur cade any different from Ina Yey.

[NGONGE]

^^ But Mr 'Peace Process' only managed to overtake AY by seeking the support of those that invaded the country. How are you failing to see that?

[N.O.R.F]

^Whilst trying to get rid of them at the same. Waa rageedii dhe. Surely he is has only been playing the political game you yourself are a fan of.

 

Working with the Ethios in invasion and in retreat are two wholly different issues. The latter can only be applauded (if it happens) whilst the former is and has been opposed by most Somalis. Big difference.

 

ps I still think most of the credit (in Ethio retreat) should go to the 'boys' though.

[NGONGE]

^^ I am for the political games but it would be unfair to AY if we don't say he too was playing a political game for the eventual 'good' of Somalia. Still, the sticking point is that he WORKED with the Xabashis and this guy also agreed to take the job that AY offered him and WORK with the Xabashis. That there is a peace process in place is neither here nor there.

[Juje]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ I am for the political games but it would be unfair to AY if we don't say he too was playing a political game for the eventual 'good' of Somalia.

How certain are you about this ?

If he had any iota of Somalism in him he would have have been in different ball game today. He was not a nationalist but rather a tribalist . He did not make use of the powerful force that invaded the country and the overwhelming support and recognition from the International Community to enhance and recreate a Somali nation but rather embarked on the opposite - expanding and reviving the animosity and hatred among Somalis through tribal lines. His intentions was to lead and have a government that was dictatorial and constituted of tribal hegemony that was in favour of him.

The brutal occupation that brought him to power are now engineering his downfall.

[NGONGE]

^^ As certain as Norf is of Nur Cade's good intentions. Read between the lines, saaxib.

[Juje]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ As certain as Norf is of Nur Cade's good intentions. Read between the lines, saaxib.

[Juje]

[Jacaylbaro]

In no time, Nur cade will be another warlord just like those who were fighting against the warlords turned to be the new ones .... look at Alshabaab now ...

[NGONGE]

Heh@Juje..bal waka Norf ha kaa maqlo..leema wadayna... (or something along those lines)

[N.O.R.F]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ I am for the political games but it would be unfair to AY if we don't say he too was playing a political game for the eventual 'good' of Somalia. Still, the sticking point is that he WORKED with the Xabashis and this guy also agreed to take the job that AY offered him and WORK with the Xabashis. That there is a peace process in place is neither here nor there.

So you're saying because they work for an entity that works in tandem with another they are both the same whilst totally disregarding their ACTIONS to date? Ma saasaa?

 

We can speculate all day long but what sets one person from another is their actions. Usually.

[NGONGE]

^^ And the action is that Nur Cade accepted the job of PM way before the peace caravan came into being. You can't pick and choose, saaxib. Tar them all with the same brush please. Be fair.

[AYOUB]

North

Col. Nur Cadde has been quoted pleading the Ethios to stay and not leave a "power vacuum". To me that's a classic; bakhti ma cuno, maraaqiisa ayaan cabaa. Yey gave the exact reasons for bringing them in the first place. He gave the preceding Saladboys' TNG's powerlessness as an example. The AU troops came only after the Ethios went in. The "peaceniks" seem to reap what Yey saw without giving him some credit.

 

PS We need to know what Nur Cadde was up to during Gen Barre reign to build a full picture.

[Geel_jire]

^ I gotta agree with NG on this one.

 

most of the hate was directed at Yey because he was the head cheerleader ... Nur cade sought and held the post of PM while Ethiopia was occupying Somalia.

 

He was the one who was making excuses for the xabash when they slaughtered those people inside the masjid ... Worst case scenario he is as a traitorous snake as yey is .... best case he is a spineless low-life who hides behind 'peace initiative' while his people are being slaughtered.

 

I don't see the logic in opposing yey on the one hand and supporting N. cade or any of the other bottom feeders in the parliament.

[N.O.R.F]

Ayoub and Geeljire. Noted.

 

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ And the action is that Nur Cade accepted the job of PM way before the peace caravan came into being. You can't pick and choose, saaxib. Tar them all with the same brush please. Be fair.

So because of his mere acceptance of the PM role he should be painted with the same brush? Again, the man is NOT responsible for invasion but could well be on the way to reversing that. Hence the DIFFERENCE.

 

Such a distinction IS fair.

[FARIID]

The way we all seem to be cheering, one would think the Ethios have gone and everything is rosy. Folks nothing has changed. The top man is about go but the realities on the ground haven't changed.

Nur cade is just as passionate about Ethiopian support.Unless all this opposition to the TFG was in fact an opposition to the person of ina yey and nothing to do with principles.

 

Ngonge is right on the money nothing has changed lets be fair.