Faarax-Brawn Posted January 7, 2007 What do you call someone who "fought" against an enemy nation twice and now rides on the back of their invading tanks and fights his own people? Abdullahi Yussuf Ahmed? :confused: Which is more accurate a label: the clan courts on the ICU or the transitional puppet government on the TFG? My guess will be the Transional Puppet Govt? :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiqikhayre Posted January 7, 2007 Ah, I see *********** in full despair today or what? The record was set straight by the General and there's no room left for debate! H.E. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmad is a well known military man turned politican and then turned into a great statesman! He hates lawlessness and anarchy like your heroes love anarchy and isbarooyin (illegal roadblocks), mostly uneducated village ****** that have turned warlords in the south the likes of Qanyare, who was a prankster and common criminal living in Kenya, Al-Hajji Muuse Suudi was a 'taxi-driver' in the Emirates and when he came back to Somalia, his clan put him in charge in Makkah and Madinah, actually he brutally came into power himself! Oh there was Indhacadde a truck-driver, who is a habitual liar. How can we forget the bogus claim of his, of owning the spaghetti factory in Marka, which he said he inherited from relatives! We all knew/know that the spaghetti factory was state owned! President Abdullahi Yusuf has a record of dislike of chaos and lawlessness, that's why you're being allergic to him because you thrive on anarchy! His history is well documented. He never took part in the civil war of Somalia nor did he occupy other people's land. His fight/war was only in defensive nature! After the war finished and he made peace with Aydid in 1993, he went on in Puntland to uphold the peace! If it wasn't for your brothers in the North-East Mystic, many more of your clans-men would have died a horrible death! Our regions were the most peaceful regions in the whole of Somalia, where every Somali was welcome regardless of his/her tribal affiliation and the same so now, nothing has changed! We're a peaceful folk that loves peace and likes to see the return of a functional government! So mystic the challenge is on you, what region/other clan did Abdullahi Yusuf occupy and who did he attack? What war's has he fought in since 1993? And which populance has he terrorised with roadblocks, heavy levies and torture? Please answer those questions, then will we go into further discussions! [ January 07, 2007, 03:07 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wisdom_Seeker Posted January 7, 2007 Originally posted by Castro: [QB] Brown and Mystic, two questions for you: 1) What do you call someone who "fought" against an enemy nation twice and now rides on the back of their invading tanks and fights his own people? 2) Which is more accurate a label: the clan courts on the ICU or the transitional puppet government on the TFG? Answer for the first question A traitor, a puppet and a selfish-warlord. You know what maybe the real Abdullahi Yusuf has either been killed or still is in prison in Ethiopia, maybe we have the mirror image of Abdullahi Yusuf. Because a man who claims to have fought the enemy twice won’t come back standing firmly next to the Ethiopians, so he could kill and destroy the same nation he was fighting for first. Answer for second question When they say the 'clan courts' they tend to contradict themselves, because at one point they argue that the courts were vastly made-up of one clan and the other time they continue to call it the Clan Courts, which make the ICU a mixture of of clans and not only one. As for the TFG, it was a puppet from the first day and will remain to be a puppet government till it exists. :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wisdom_Seeker Posted January 7, 2007 “1978-1984 .Founded a rebel movement, SSDF, which was copied by many other groups, SNM, USC against the regime.” Do you know what a rebel movement does or what it is??????? Today we no longer call it a ‘rebel movement’ but rather an ‘insurgence movement’. Like AQ, Hezbollah and Hamas and their kind. He is no different than those who are members of the SNM or USC. He had serious grudges against Said Barre. He became the first warlord by founding an insurgence movement. It is as simple as that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiqikhayre Posted January 7, 2007 Mystic + all other ******* are in denial! Gone is the old era of enomosity between us and the 'Ethiopians'! Do you know, that when Somalis were being killed in Mogadishu and the whole south, they were fleeing to Ethiopia? They were welcomed like fellow brothers and were told to live and settle in Ethiopia as they wish! Whilst the Kenyans and others were harrassing our peoples day in and day out! Why was that might you ask yourself? Because of the relationship and gratitude of Meles to the Somali people, who were giving him sanctuary and a place to keep warm, in his darkest and most vulnerable hour! That's why they welcomed us like they did, no other nation like Ethiopia did what they did for Somali refugees and for that we must be grateful! In the absence of embassies and general consulates, we Somalis relied still are relying on Ethiopia! The millions, who live in Ethiopia are really greatful for the support they got from their fellow brothers in Ethiopia, who treated them just like they were their own, whilst they couldn't find the peace and love supposedly Somalis harboured for them! Properly many of those folks are ungrateful people, who through Ethiopia came to their 'western sanctuary'! Gone with the old days of us and Ethiopians being enemy. No today Ethiopia is run by a man, who understands us, our culture and language! A man who has studied at our highest ranking national instituition of higher Education. A man, that was a Somali citizen and who hold our passport! He himself was being seen as a traitor, the Ahmara despise him for letting in the 'Somali refugees', they say 'Let them kill themselves and wipe their race out of the horn of Africa, so it might become extinct'! However Meles refused and said 'No'. This people aided me at the darkest and most needed hour of my life! It's only logical that he would gave his gratitues to us Somalis back as any decent human-being would do! We're a friendly nations, who lived side by side in Ethiopia in the last 16 years, when we couldn't live together! It's were Somalis in Mogadishu found peace and somewhere safe and warm to stay! Please don't become ungrateful! Remember what Ethiopia and it's Prime minister have done for us Somalis, when we were nothing and the lowest of the low! Today you have the 'human-dignity' to talk about Somali dignity! Well let me tell you there is no Somali dignity! Why because you played with it, destroyed and refused to reinstate it! We're a wrecked nation that thinks we can fly and uphold old rivalaries! Today it's about the survival of our race and how we can stop our people from fleeing their own country because of femine, hunger, anarchy, warfare and clan rivalry! We should not indulge in utopias about us being in the 'past', don't you recall the 'shame' of the last 16years! Or it didn't happen, you my mystic are talking like we never experienced what we've in the last 16years! Today we need all the possible help we can get! We should stop with the fantasy and 'lie', that we're so indulged in of what it means to be proud so forth etc. Today it's about survival. First lets bring back the nation, reconstruct our land, bring back the peace, the armed forces, the police, a functioning government and its instituitions and then only then can we aspire to more but this is not the right time! You're dreaming! Where is the greatness of our nation? We're the worst like Afghanistan. A year ago we beaten a record and one other nation for being the longest without effective government state in the world! It was 14years no other country has been without a government for 14 years, now look please this is not a joking matter but you're holding back Somalia because you're stucked in the past and don't want to admitt the harsh truth of what we're! But for some strange reason you keep talking about of what we 'used' to be. Somalia today needs help and if you don't understand that, then tough because then it would hightlight either that you're an ignorant person, who lives in the past or the more likely a person, that is not intented for a return of statehood prime reason being because you prefer anarchy better and secondly until you eradicate that clan, which seems to bother you because it seems they suffer more to make them pay, because you falsely believe statehood only benefits one clan! [ January 07, 2007, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wisdom_Seeker Posted January 7, 2007 ^^^ ************.... Do you have any idea how many poor somali women have been raped in Ethiopian refugee camps, all of them infected with HIV/AIDS. Is that the welcome you speak off. You ********** waste of flesh. [ January 07, 2007, 03:05 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted January 7, 2007 ^^^Ah angry are we, whats the new term my good Shiekh has used, ah ******* led by Clanist Castro . Well our sister mystic need to learn basic Somali history and even the difference between Amhara, Tigray and Oromo and the change that has taken place in modern Ethiopia. Duke, saxib even if the rebels (Tigre) released him, are you informing us Yeey doesn't quite comprehend today Ethiopia's long-held aspirations towards the land of the warring nomads?? LSK, brother I think the Ethiopian state has changed dramaticly, it is now a state that recognises the right ofd every tribe to his area so the Afar, Oromo, Tigray, AMhara as well as our Somali brothers each ahve their own state, this was never the case in Imperial, and Derg Ethiopia of the past. Thus the Ethiopia that can not subjugate Djibouti, Eritrea or even control all its region will not eb able to occupy or colonise Somalia, thats the starbucks lay man philosophy and no more. Today we must overcome our own fears in order to suceed in the new region. [ January 07, 2007, 03:09 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloow Posted January 7, 2007 Mystic, don't debate with clan ********. Tell them to beat it. [ January 07, 2007, 03:09 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted January 7, 2007 ^^^******* always try to hide behind others, leave Mystic alone she can talk for herself and holds her own quite well. As for you, bring it on, dont be over sensative now. [ January 07, 2007, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wisdom_Seeker Posted January 7, 2007 Somali women getting raped by Ethiopians amuses you duke? Only a dimwit will differentiate between Ethiopian ethnics. The sad thing is your warlord government will never be a government who will be able to oppress the Somali people. Modern day Ethiopia has a dictator, it is one of the poorest nations in the world, it has high HIV infection rates among their people, it relies on world donations and their people are fleeing from a country you so much admire. Go live there, matter fact take your whole family with you. However that is the facts today. You obviously don’t know Somali history, only your made-up tribal-history, and your continuous lies and accusations are preposterous and an embarrassment to human beings. Your ignorance is terminal. Your tribal loyalty has made you support and cheer for warlords and Ethiopians. Get treated old man. You have discomfited yourself enough for one day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted January 7, 2007 ^^^Thats it Mystic, now its about the rape of the girls, Aids, and all by the dreaded Ethiopians, I even heard they did not allow people in Mogadshu to pray in Eid, while their Muslim majority did in Adis and other areas. I heard they changed the flag, they changed the map, they changed the coulour of the sky, those darn "Amxaro". The thing is people who get all excited and angry and cry have never provided any evidance and use this emotive arguments to further give life to their lost groups. Keep it up sis, never give up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloow Posted January 7, 2007 Gen. Duke, if I bring it on ( I have attempted that several times on SOL) you can not stand it. Common sense dictates that I shouldn't even exchange a sentence with you- so lousy are your arguments; so juvenile are your points of departures, so futile is your message. But I have subjected my intelligence to torture and tried on several occassions to reason with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wisdom_Seeker Posted January 7, 2007 How dense can you be? First you were opposed to the fact that there where thousands of Ethiopian troops in Somalia, the TFG officials and Ethiopians were refuting that implication with their lies, insisting that there are only Ethiopian ‘trainers’ in Somalia. But we all know how that turned out. You are eager to believe a group of men who are willing to lie to us Somalis. Duke, you’re blind we all know that, just don’t blind others with your aggressive futility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted January 7, 2007 Folks, this site is moderated. Afxumada looma dulqaadan karo, la socda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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