Takfir: Conditions and impediments...

[yaa tahay]

aaway the TS??? he posted shubuhaat and he disappears?? thats the strategy of shaytaan acuudu biLaahi minh

[Nur]

yaa tahay;683024 wrote:

The barriers of the Takfir are three and two extended conditions. First three conditions "mistake, forgetting and ikrah" are the barriers under every condition includes both usuluddeen and furuuddeen. The extended two conditions "ignorance and ta'wil" are not real excuses. The latter ones will be an excuse with the relation with the first three in the secondary matters of tawhed and fiqh etc. (furuuddeen). The principle of "fault will not render permissible another fault" will also give you the same answer. Ignorance is itself a fault how could it be an acceptable excuse in the usuluddeen while "it is fard upon every Muslim to seek ilm". For the taw'il it has its own conditions to be an acceptable excuse. Unless this conditions and requirements are fullfilled; it will never be an acceptable excuse. Therefore there is no place for ignorance or mistaken ta'wil in the matters of usuluddeen but furuuddeen. If anyone performs an action of (minor) shirk/kufr because of being ignorant or making mistaken taw'il in the matters of furuudden he will not be performed Takfir but he will be a sinner and he should learn the knowledge (of 'ilm'i-haal) to get rid of his ignorance/mistaken taw'il.

Akhi Yaa Tahay

 

Baarkallahu feek, well done, I just want to clarify it further so readers can benefit.

 

 

Mawaanic Al Takfiir in Islamic Shariah ( ALIBI, Legitimate Excuses against being considered a Kaafir) are:

 

1. Erroneous Judgment:

 

This first excuse leads to "Wrong Taweel", which does not make a person a Kaafir instantly, until his/her mistake is clarified to him/her and he/she insists on it. Remember the meaning of Kufr is to COVER UP the Truth with falsehood. However for this excuse to work as you have pointed out , the issue that leads to the wrong Taweel ( Interpretation) :

 

A. Must not fall in the well known facts of Aqeedah ( Al macluum mina Deen Bil Daruura)

B. Does Not introduce Bidca ( Radical Departure from the Sunnah and aqeedah of the first three generations)

C. The Muta'awil ( the Interpreter who makes such a mistake) Must have sufficient knowledge of the mainstream Islamic Literature as a prerequisite.

D. The Error in Judgment or Interpretation( Taweel) must not contradict the spirit and/or the letter of the Holy Quraan and the Mutawaatir of the Sunnah ( Saheeh)

 

2. Forgetfulness :

 

A Statement made by a scholar who is forgetful of other sources of knowledge. He/she should be reminded

 

3. Ikraah ( Making a statement or doing an action against one's will, being threatened, forced etc) This Alibi is temorrary.

 

4. Mental Disability This Alibi is permanent.

 

5. Ignorance

 

For this Alibi to be acceptable in court, we have to consider the following qualifiers:

 

A. The Location of the Person making the statement or action. ( Dar ul Kufr, or Dar ul Islam)

 

In Dar Ul Islam, ignorance is not accepted. In dar ul Kufr, this excuse can be accepted, and its up the Judge, a case by case examination.

 

B. The subject that The person is ignorant of (the Usuul Fundementals of Aqeedaha, aka Tawheed, or Furuuc, Details

 

i. Ignorance of the Usuul al Tawheed is fatal, there is no excuse for it.

ii. Ignorance of the Furuuc can be excused.

 

 

Wallahu Aclam

 

 

Nur

[yaa tahay]

haa nur like i said: wrong ta'wil is an excuse in matters of Furuudu Diin and not in Aslu Diin

 

Ignorance sidoo kale

 

qofkii shirk/kufr gala waa mushrik/kafir haduu xitaa ignorant yahay ama wrong ta'wil sameeyo, even if he is saying the Shahada