Che -Guevara Posted December 18, 2008 It is fair to say this is end for Yeey as his backers namely the west and the Tigrays have found 'better' stooge in the name of Nur Cadde. Where does this leave the TFG, and the presence of the Ethiopian presence in Somalia?. Would his departure bring any change as far as peace and stability is concerned? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peasant Posted December 18, 2008 I personally think we are going back to the pre TFG era and the old saying of the warlords will come to an effect "ii talin maysid kuu talin maayo wada tashan mayno isna dayn mayno".. So far The so called islamic courts are squabbling over the 270 seats from jabouti and AL-Shabab does not look like that they want to negotiate with anyone sheekh or shaydaan. The day the last ethio soldier vacates mogadishu and the clan militias of the TFG go back to their home towns. The mogadishu road blocks will pop faster than one can imagine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juje Posted December 18, 2008 Che the International community and the Ethiopians intentions in Somalia has not changed they have just changed pawns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted December 18, 2008 The mother of all ironies; the architect of his own downfall! My goodness! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kool_Kat Posted December 18, 2008 Originally posted by peasant: "ii talin maysid kuu talin maayo wada tashan mayno isna dayn mayno".. You're right on point walee...Sad truth, hurts like dhimbil dab eh oo kugu dagtay... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted December 18, 2008 Juje...That much is true.Unfortunately we are blessed with people who don't see beyond today, and have little appreciation for the geopolitics of the world. Imagine 20 million people (Roughly the number of the entire Somali nation in the horn) with no representation in world affairs...it is simply sad Peasant...That is succinct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted December 18, 2008 at first I was happy when I heard the old rat was finally being removed .... but he will probably probably be replaced with another worthless bootlicker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted December 19, 2008 Originally posted by Geel_jire: at first I was happy when I heard the old rat was finally being removed .... but he will probably probably be replaced with another worthless bootlicker. That is how I felt when Kenyaatiga banished him from their country, officially sanctioning him and his family. Jac kululaa isdhahay. Then isweydiiye, he shamed beyond recognition the office of presidency of Soomaaliya since he claims to be a so-called "president." How audacious of them, waa Reer Sawaaxiligaasee! Can you imagine waxaas in uu sameyn karay Joomo Keenyaata to either Aaden Cadde or C/rashiid Cali Sharmaarke? It saddens me odey Soomaaliyeed madaxweyne Soomaaliyeed sheeganaayo saas ula dhaqmaayo dalalka adduunka ugu faqiirsan. It reflects badly on us all, shaming us as Soomaalis in the process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liqaye Posted December 19, 2008 The shame is not with the kenyans or other intreasted parties, they have played their game and are consequently treating their stooges with all the lack of respect that they deserve. Instead the shame is with us for producing such an individual, but let us be honest there are so many venal characters out there that are willing to do what yeey did for a pittiance, that is why I have always found it hard to share the almost hysterical hatered that some have for yeey. Frankly I know that it is the mentality of qabilism that kills and poisons every somali endevour towards peace, if so yeey is just an individual manifestation maybe the purest and most lacking in shame manifestation, but a manifestation all the same. POst yeey politics will be the same as pre yeey politics namely a struggle between those who are trying to genuinely unite and uplift the lives of somalis and those that think kow towing to the wants and needs of members of the international community will lead to their own personal dictatorship. What will the next peace confrence hold? if it is another warlord fest like mbagathi expect another yusuf, repeating history as a farce the next time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted December 22, 2008 ^I was saying in another thread the irony in Yeey's demise is lost on people. I wonder if this would be the begining of the end of personality worship,God knows we had many from Caydiid to Yeey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted December 22, 2008 Originally posted by Capo: Instead the shame is with us for producing such an individual, but let us be honest there are so many venal characters out there that are willing to do what yeey did for a pittiance, that is why I have always found it hard to share the almost hysterical hatered that some have for yeey. Frankly I know that it is the mentality of qabilism that kills and poisons every somali endevour towards peace, if so yeey is just an individual manifestation maybe the purest and most lacking in shame manifestation, but a manifestation all the same. POst yeey politics will be the same as pre yeey politics namely a struggle between those who are trying to genuinely unite and uplift the lives of somalis and those that think kow towing to the wants and needs of members of the international community will lead to their own personal dictatorship. I couldn't have said it much better myself sxb ... for the last few years waxaan lahaa kan ummada duleeyay ilaahow hal mar na dhaafi .. but now it is very close to being a reality and the alternatives are not much better than yey .. they will take up stooge duty without even a hiccup and that is the sad part ... wixii raganimo , wadanimo iyo damiir lahaa xagee ka baxeen ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted December 22, 2008 by Said Shiiq, PhD Thursday, December 18, 2008 “Cagtii meel joogi weydaa-ba mar beey ceeb la kulantaa.” Somali adage. Writing someone’s career obituary whilst breathing is a dicey predicament, but in rare circumstances, it’s sufficiently apt. This is especially the case when the matter is about the person’s tumultuous career: I’m talking about the besieged President of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG), Abdullahi Yusuf. Delusional, he really is. But that doesn’t quite capture the depth of his quagmire. Now in his late 70s, Mr. Yusuf is literally and figuratively fighting for his life. The fraudulent parliament he collected four years ago is impeaching him. The Ethiopians, with whom he entrusted with his back and sold his soul to for the past three decades, are, remarkably, deserting him. The Kenyans, where his own children run a mini-TFG, is now branding him, his family and his cabal, a group non-grata. Perhaps more brutally, the Americans publicly said that they sided with Prime Minister Nur Adde. The world had enough of his towering madness. It’s a culmination of a stunning reversal of fortunes against this brutal warlord. A man who brazenly takes credit for disorienting a unified Somali nation 30 years ago, Yusuf’s repulsive legacy is coming to a screeching halt. Like the aforementioned Somali adage goes, he’s reacquainting with an obtrusive embarrassment he long danced around. A bloody career that began with a failed coup, in 1978, followed by an admitted treason and defection to Ethiopia, spanning to a civil war, a stint with piracy, and crest with the murderous conquest in Mogadishu two years ago, is being encircled in Baidoa. Abated by two dozen cronies, that career is on life support. Even the pro-Yusuf voices in Puntland should be construed a desperate plea to keep him away from his former turf, lest his swerves back violently. Pathologically speaking, Yusuf is hardly sane. On top of the foreign object lodged in stomach in the form of liver, Yusuf is clinically a psychopath. It’s marked by a rousing narcissism, which came to light when he claimed that he attended a Russian college for “the white and rich people” as appose to Dr. Abdulqasim Salad Hassan, whom he condescendingly said attended a university for “Negros.” To his credit, Yusuf is a master of clan politics. In addition to naming top security, diplomatic and presidential positions to a very close knit of clansmen, who are invariably incompetent, he tried to influence international institutions in their hiring process. In 2007, while I was with a delegation of aid organizations in Baidoa, he demanded that I disclose my clan identity to him before we could proceed. The meeting adjourned quickly, because I refused to entertain his obsession. Yusuf’s grandiosity is clearly ending. A telling inaction is observable: He’s not flying to Addis Ababa as he routinely did post crisis. Instead, he went to Garoowe—and may well be returning to there soon. Good luck Puntland! Who should take credit for his demise? Two shrewd men to come to mind: Nur Adde and Sh. Shariif. Through the Djibouti Agreement, they formed a formidable alliance anchored in the quest of peace and true reconciliation. Yusuf hoped to cast the sham “reconciliation conference” in Mogadishu in 2007 as a genuine peace process. With the exception of the fat cow (Saudi Arabia), which bestowed him with a whopping $32 million, no one took him seriously. Unlike Ali Ghedi, the impatient and woefully inexperienced former PM, Nur Adde is a statesman, whose guiding principle is peace. On that basis, he embarked on an international campaign to sell his agenda. His call was heeded by a moderate figure in the opposition Sh. Shariif Sh. Ahmed. Together with an honest UN broker, Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, they forged a new centrist coalition in Somalia. Irked by this arrangement, however, are the extremists on both sides, led by two ruthless colonels: Mr. Yusuf, and Sh. Hassan Dahir Aweys. Oddly, the two principally agree that the Djibouti Agreement is the antithesis of their greedy careers. But Yusuf fails to grasp the depth of the abyss he’s in this time around. With the twilight of the Bush Administration dawns a new era in the world, undefined by the War on Terror. Yusuf milked the terrorism mantra to the fullest. Fortunately, Sh. Shariif’s return to Mogadishu and the imminent Ethiopian withdrawal effectively renders him toothless. As he defiantly continues to make noise, his demise is unfolding precipitously. Like Kenya, IGAD, the AU, the EU and more importantly, the UN are likely to brand him an obstruction to peace—a label that will eventually seal his bloody legacy. To those he murdered over the years, the climax of Yusuf’s demise will be when, due to travel ban and asset freeze, his over-medicated body suffers unt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites