The SNM was beaten

[me]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

Waxaan kuu sheegayaa, ********** **********, adoo kale dooxii

hargeisa

ayaan kugu soo aaasi lahaa, adoo nool; oo waliba cidna ikaa weydiiseen,*********, wakaa qiimahaagu,...

I rest my case.

 

[ October 17, 2006, 00:49: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[Jacpher]

War Ramadaan dhalinyarooy xishoodka yaanan laga tagin. Eebe waa ina daalacayaan ee cayda iyo afxumada aan ka digtoonaano.

 

Oodweyne, sxb adigoo raali ah bal edit-garee erayada laga fiican yahay ee qoraalka ka muuqda.

 

ME, provacative topic oo shucuurta kiciya adigaa bilaabee ka waranhee macalinka? Sow qeyb kuma lihid af-lagaadada? Intaadan looxa saarin qalinka bal ka fakar.

[Gabbal]

^When did sensibility start kicking in..? For a second there I thought you lost it all.

[me]

Dear Jimcaale,

 

This is an open forum and there are no sacred cows here. There is nothing of limits here. We are free to discuss all topics as long as we respect each other. Some members of this forum lack manners and proper education. They are not capable of discussing anything without resorting to profanities, vicious personal attacks or mud slinging.

 

We are discussing historic facts here. The events of May 1988 have affected our lives in major ways and we are in our full rights to discuss what happened back then. To understand today’s Northern Somalia we need to go back to May 1988.

 

There is nothing provocative about discussing these issues. We need to encourage each other in discussing issues like this. We need to start thinking critically. We need to engage each other in debates and come to fruitful conclusions. We should break these barriers down and one of the ways of breaking these barriers down is re-examining the history of the conflict.

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by me:

Dear SOL’ers,

 

 

I believe that you can see how this debate is unfolding and how these supporters of the secessionist mafia are trying to derail this whole debate by throwing mud and that they are resorting to vicious personal attacks that are uncalled for. Please remind them that this is an open forum that is intended for open minded debates rather than myopic clan chauvinism inspired slur.

 

Oodweyne, Suldaanka, NGONGE and others I would urge you to come with evidence if you want to discredit my arguments. My arguments are sound and solid and the SNM was beaten. If you would like to claim anything other then that please provide the dear SOL public with evidence.

ME, you are very rational person and a good debater. Again, you are objective and critical thnker and I applaud you for that.

 

 

OOdwayne and others just say ,sleep better, sleep better. I sleep better every night and what has my sleeping condition got to do with the subject.

[Jacpher]

Originally posted by HornAfrique:

^When did sensibility start kicking in..? For a second there I thought you lost it all.

Right! It just kicked in. Thanks for noticing.

[NASSIR]

Guys, let us not take the collapse of SA out of context. There were many Somali clan based factions, and each fought within its territorial limits, and all were supported by Ethiopia--determined to destroy Somalia. The worst thing that can happen to any state is when it fights with its own people, the corollary of which is internal implosion.

 

The war tactics that the SNM used was similar to the one used by USC, SPM, and SSDF in their respective towns. They invited severe reprisals and destruction to their own people, and the cummulative effect, convinced the whole population that it was time for a change.

[QabiilDiid]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

Waxaan kuu sheegayaa, ******** ****** ******, adoo kale dooxii

hargeisa ayaan kugu soo aaasi lahaa, adoo nool; oo waliba cidna ikaa weydiiseen, ***********, wakaa qiimahaagu,...

So Ood********, you the spokesman of the SNM criminal gangs bury my people live in Hargeisa stream bed (dooxa Hargeysa)? No more we are going to take our case to the so called international humanitarian institutions or to the ********* that you have claimed granted you a doctorate after you graduated from the OXFORD DEBATING SOCIETY. We are taking our concerns to Sheikh Sharif of the UIC and we will soon take necessary steps to invite Mogadishu Islamic Courts to come to Hargeisa to rescue us from your evil hands. With the help of ALLEH we will defeat you and bury your nonsense for good.

 

[ October 17, 2006, 00:57: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[Taleexi]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

^^^^Waryaa ************...

 

Waryaa, ********* waxa Aad Yeeleysaa, SNM, waa tii Eryatay Huwantii aad u rix-layn jirteen; waa tii Maanta, Ka Markhaati ah, in adiga iyo ku wii shaley hadhka cad la eryaday, inay calaacal dibada la taagan yihiin,...

 

Car hadaaad nin tahay, Ka soo Jawaab, Waxa aad maanta tahay; Car Hadaad nin tahay, ka soo jawaab, waxa aad maanta aad

Hargeisa iyo

Somaliland

aad ka tahay,....

 

Waxaan kuu sheegayaa, ******** *********, adoo kale dooxii

hargeisa

ayaan kugu soo aaasi lahaa, adoo nool; oo waliba cidna ikaa weydiiseen, ************, wakaa qiimahaagu,...

 

Waxaa kaa cabaadinaya haybtii-garan waayahow, waaa taa weeye,...waad og-tahay, in aanad ku noqon karin, halkii aad ku-dhalatay ee

Hargeisa

ahayd iyo

Somaliland

; ileyn ********** huwantii Afweyne's kabaha u qaadayey ayaad tahaye; Oo og in aanu waxba kulahayn, Somaliland iyo umadeeda maanta jirta; taa weeye, ta kaa cabaadinaysa; ee halkan cayda SNM aad dadka ka iibineysaa,....

 

Waxaad yeeleysaa, ****** **********, orod oo ku biir hadhaagii huwantii Afweyne, ee qurbaha ka calaacala,...

 

********** yohow, waanad ogayn halka aad taagan tahay; sababtoo oh, ana waa Igu Qaran an gacan tayda ku yagleelay, oo

Somaliland

layidhaahdo; Adna waa kugu ina-gumeednimo iyo calaacalkiisii; oo aad qurbaha ka soo daldasho, sidii huwantii afweyne, ee hadhka cad la eryaday...

 

Nabadeey, ************, halkaa hanoo joogto...

Oodweyne inuu golahan wuxuu doono kaga hadlo ma u mubaax baa, armuu haasaawuhu ku fiicnaa, xurmaynta amaba dhowrida xeerarka u degan SOL

 

[ October 17, 2006, 00:54: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[Taleexi]

Originally posted by Caamir:

Guys, let us not take the collapse of SA out of context. There were many Somali clan based factions, and each fought within its territorial limits, and all were supported by Ethiopia--determined to destroy Somalia. The worst thing that can happen to any state is when it fights with its own people, the corollary of which is internal implosion.

 

The war tactics that the SNM used was similar to the one used by USC, SPM, and SSDF in their respective towns. They invited severe reprisals and destruction to their own people, and the cummulative effect, convinced the whole population that it was time for a change.

Mr. Caamir, that was the case, and that is the difference between us and some, some are distorting the facts and misinforming their respective populace in order to achieve their personal goals.

 

Some wished to go back and put the fault right but that is not an option, making better decisions are what matters now, of course taking into account our past.

[Qudhac]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

 

I guarantee you that we have destroyed these SNM traitors. We had them circled, trapped and besieged. Believe me when I say we only let them in those cities as a tactical plan so that we may destroy them. We are about to destroy them. Rest assured that we would! They have not defeated us, it was a strategic retreat! These are mercenaries that are not supported by the majority of the population. They shall be crushed. They have been crushed.

:mad:

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

 

 

how fitting

 

 

here is more

 

 

 

 

WE HAVE them isolated on that island, and we are determined to do so, Our estimates are that none of them will come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly. They are completely surrounded now. THEY EILL ALL DIE

 

 

 

 

Our initial assessment is that they will all die.

 

 

The fact is that as soon as they reach Baghdad gates, we will besiege them and slaughter them. Until now they have refused to do battle with us. They are just going places. One can describe them as a boa: when it feels threatened, it runs to somewhere else.

 

 

 

 

They fled. The American louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Arab Socialist Baath Party yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the American soldiers. we had not anticipated this.

[Qudhac]

Indeed AAbo siyaad crushed those traitors those mercenaries, all this SNM is ILLUSION I TELL YOU ILLUSION, lets all join hands and Sing Aabooy siyaad, Aabaha garashada hehehe

 

 

ilayn waxaa ugu daran nin fulaynimo iyo faan isku darsaday, what comedy it was yesterday we saw another famous abdile of the defeated lot leave his wife and shoes in kimayo faster than you could say... BOOH...

 

 

 

 

take a chill bill boys i had you in place before your fore fathes were born

[RedSea]

Originally posted by me:

So you do agree with me, the towns needed to be recaptured no matter what the cost.

 

I am very much justifying the army’s goals in recapturing the towns. I am also supporting the army’s goals in eradicating the rebels. The army was operating within the boundaries of the law. The rebels attacked the cities, they were the aggressors, and they put the civilians in harms way.

 

Imagine if a bank robber enters a bank with a gun and takes hostages, the police come and surround the building.

 

The police want to end this situation as soon as possible. They want to either arrest of kill the bank robber. The public expect the police to do its job. The public expect to be protected from the bank robbers.

 

If while trying to arrest the bank robber the police kill a hostage then it is the bank robber that is responsible. It is the bank robber that put the hostage in harms way not the police.

 

What you are arguing about is the tactic that the SNA used not the principle. The SNA was right in recapturing the cities. You disagree with the tactics though.

By whom my soul is in his hand, I would and will never in billion years agree with such statement.I was basically highlighting the point you made about the SNM commiting treason, in which my response was,the SNM already had an enemy,the fascist regime of Barre, therefore treason or otherwise, the Barre regime wouldn't have done them a favor neither,because they were in conflict.So what would you expect, the SNM would use and would climb any ladder in order to bring down the facist regime of Siyad Barre, whether it had to be Historical enemy of Ethiopia or the immediate enemy in Siyad Barre.

 

Furthermore, you had previously claimed that your arguments were sound,I am still eager to note where in this draft you have made one good point,but rather time after time, you have proven to us all, that you have no knowledge thus your examples are proof of that.The fact that you have stated history in North starts in 1988 war is a proof that you have alot of catching up to do.

 

Let me first shed some light on some examples that you have brought to the table, although they are hardly examples in which I personally wouldn't have my arguments to be based on them.You have stated some funky example which you have stressed how state securtiy would deal with any threat posed to the civilians,you have later mentioned and told us an example in which you applied to the situation back then, as bank robbery, which you have attempted to mislead the audience in telling them that this was something to that effect.

 

So let me drop two cents into the drawer if you don't mind.I think I have few minutes to spare before I leave work(it's boring tonight), so it wouldn't hurt to say few things here and there I hope.

 

Let me first start with an example of its kind contrary to the one that you have provided.

 

But then I won't,because I would only do that, if I ran out of facts to state.So let me state the obvious while you are at it with your cat and mouse game.

 

It's proven fact, as soon as Somaliland gained independence from Britain,they have chosen to unite with the rest of their brethrens in South only few days after their independence .Thus the first place on Somali soil that the Somali flag which some of you still look up to was raised in the liberty park in Hargeysa,hence the city of Hargeysa earned the nicknamed Hoyga Xoriyada or simply home of liberty.It was Hargeysa where, the songs of national pride, lyrics of national anthem were composed for what once was a simple peice of cloth.It was here, Hargeysa that national pride,unity, and love was first made to exist, not Xamar or anywhere else, if that is what some might think,there is only one Hoyga Xoriyada and that is Hargeysa.For old and for new, Hargeysa had always stood up high even after it was made to be 'little Hiroshima' it still stands today,better and stronger than ever.

 

To come to my point,I am here to say, the residents and the people of Northwest, present day Somaliland welcomed their government,they welcomed the Somali leadership, they were the front runners of national pride.The kindness and love was a trully evidence when in 1977 Somali-ethio war, when massive refugees fled from the disputed area into the major cities namely Hargeysa, they were welcomed with open hands, they were given a place to stay, they were simply made to feel home.They simply were given first class treatment by the people inhabiting the cities they went into,even present day, they still live peacefully.

 

Moreover, Mr.Me you have said much about the SNA? so let me just break it down of who the SNA were and who they later come to be.

 

The SNA previously was the Somali national army, which every clan respectably was part and parcell of as far as defending the nation from external threat, which is the assignment of every army in the world.That was then,but later the SNA become and was composed of few loyal kinsmen to Siyad Barre from within Somalia,the rest of the SNA were the people that fled from the 77 wars in which later were conviced that they actually owned Hargeysa the city in which just few years before they were visitors to. The people that were once refugees were roaming the streets of Hargeysa telling people Hadhagdhagaagin sort of order.They had no discipline, lacked training,therefore where subject to commiting ruthless acts propatrated towards certain group of people whom happened to welcome them into their homes earlier at time.

 

If that is the case, then were where the real SNA? well, let me answer by saying, the real Somali national army were the kinds of Col.Ahmed Mohamed Xasan, who refused to bombard Hargeysa, they were the ones that left the later "SNA" after told to fight their own people.Some went to join the SNM,SSDF, and later USC,which they contributed in dismantling the cold and ruthless man of Siyad Barre. So that is that as far as of so called Somali national army.

 

What was the SNM? the SNM was a faction that didn't exist of its own to begin with, nor did they come to exist in order to gain power,but rather they were born from oppression, the people were the SNM. So one who claims that the SNM was misleading the population should have it mind, when Adan shiine, Ibrahim Koosaar,Jen.Maxamed Xashi Lixle, col.Ibrahim Koodbuur all died in the battle field, the ones who carried their torture were the people who were so determined to overthrow the brutal dictator of Siyad Barre, it's absurd to say the least that the SNM existed as body of its own apart from the people of the Northwest,present day Somaliland, The people were the SNM.

 

To further point out and for you to chew on for the rest of the night, I would say to you Mr.Me or others who would offer to answer, why did Siyad Barre feel so urgent as to call Omar Carti Ghalib to form a party of his own and run for the office,since that would come to shock anyone who knew Barre as a man who loved the throne,the only reason he might have thought about such, was to safe his throne in desperation caused by the SNM which was beaten right? I think waa su'all afka ka wayn.

 

Af far other things are concerned, I think I can safely say Siyad Barre' agenda was 'reer aan rabay roob ma igu eryay'.There wouldn't have been military sectors named just to cleanse some tribes,even as reported some military division's main responsibility was terminate and cleanse members of Clan X, thus they were given such name.

 

To oodweyen, sxb.if Mr. Me asked for it, why not,I must go ahead and give the kid an early birthday present, just in time to say Ciid Mubarak.

 

To Nayruus, baroorta naga aadyar sxb.Hargeysa hadaad ku dhalatay, imikaba cidi kaama haysato, xoog meesha majiro, waxna xoog laguma kala qaado,Hargeysa cidii awal lahayd ayuunbaa imikana leh,markaa waxba haka calaacalin halkan ee tag meesha ama baroortu calooshay uxuntaye naga aamus.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Well, if it is your pleasure to insult the forum members as some of you seem pleased doing again and again -- and still trumping the forum rules in the process --, next time, heed this, there won't be an editing: Whole posts will be deleted.

[RedSea]

^man, you had your work cut out today, thank Mr. Me for the precious time.