The SNM was beaten

[N.O.R.F]

:rolleyes:

 

Somaliland this, Somaliland that,,,,,,,,,

[Temujin]

100.000 ppl lost there lifes

I had no idea people were still being massacred in the north by the former government. This number is going up everyday wallahi. At first it used 5,000 people then 10,000. Recently I heard someone say 50,000 people died in the Northwest. Soon it will reach several million people.

[me]

With this tread I am trying to raise 3 issues.

 

 

1. The SNM betrayed the Somali Nation and the Somali people by collaborating with the enemy of Somalia.

 

2. The SNM sacrificed and made the people of Hargeysa and Burco suffer for their own selfish gains.

 

3. The SNM was beaten by the Somali National army and this can be proven by the fact that the day that Mogadisho fell to the USC not one single village was in SNM hands.

 

The whole cult of SNM worship that surrounds the SNM is built on lies. They were not Mujaahidiins they were more like traitors.

 

They never fought for the bettering of the lives of the people of the North West they fought for gaining power.

 

They had taken a calculated cold blooded decision to sacrifice the people they want to make us believe they were trying to defend. The sole responsible for the death, destruction and the humiliation of the people of the North West are the SNM.

 

They attacked the cities with a small group of rebels that never stood a chance. They also tried to prevent people from moving out of the city, so that when the Somali National Army tried to recapture the cities there would be maximum civilian casualties.

 

They committed genocide among the Hargeysawi's that were not of the SNM clan, so that there would be reprisals when they left the cities.

 

The only bit that seems to be true in the cult of SNM worshipping is the claim that they drank their own urine. But then again you can ask yourself if the SNM was as mighty militarily as they would like us to believe why drink urine while there are wells everywhere? Oodweyne tell us please is it that tasty that you would prefer it over water?

[Jacaylbaro]

hahaha ,, very funny indeed ,,,,,, close your eyes and walk man ,,,, hope u won't fall from da edge ,,,,,,,,,

 

 

SNM is the only armed opposstion won against Siad Barre ,,,,

 

All the others came after SNM like USC, etc. again won by the help of SNM ,,,,

 

 

You shouldn't forget about this waaryaa ,,,,, or u don't have a clue on what was going on ??

[me]

^^^Come with evidence please. It is wel documented that the SNM was beaten and that if the Mogadisho revolt in December 1990 didn't happen Siad Barre would be still ruling Somalia.

 

So please back your claims up with evidence, I would really appreciate your input in this discusion.

[Taleexi]

Also we did the same in sool we went in 2 lascanood in 1993 a eid day and when we did couple killings there we went out thats all

They where suporting somalia and we where fighting somalia and if they ever try 2 disturp our peace we will fight them again simple as that. [/QB]

Likewise saaxiib, if you don't show goodwill and virtue, people on the other side will never hesitate defeating the perpetrators

[me]

Originally posted by Northerner:

:rolleyes:

 

Somaliland this, Somaliland that,,,,,,,,,

No one is attacking anyone here Northerner. We are discussing our nations history. We are discussing events that played a major role in today's Somalia. To understand the realities on the ground today we need to go back to what happened in May 1988.

 

We have no blood on our hands. We have not commited those crimes. We were not the SNM nor were we the Somali National Army.

 

I believe that you can relate to when I say that we need to understand whay happened if we want to move on.

 

We need to know who did what and why they did it. What motivated them. Who funded them. Who were the stakeholders. Who gave the order to Bomb the cities, why did the SNM kill so many civilians who belonged to other clans? were they 'clan-cleansing' the area? Did they really believe they could hold the cities with 1500 men? Did Somali pilots refuse to bomb the cities?

 

There are many questions that need answering. All I am advocating for is that we should find out what really happened and that we document this history. We the Somali people deserve the truth don't you think?

[Sharif_seylaci]

Hey actually whe where qarrandummis we wanted 2 destory somalia becous we knew we where going 2 be independent and u see today when we left the building in somalia it was doomd 16 peace confresses ceeb ya tacaal and this migbigaat in kenya also wey fashilantay

 

soo keep it that way all u have 2 know we where qarrandummis there for we had our way and we are always sucsesfull

[Captain Xalane]

Me,u nailed it.Bravo.

[AYOUB]

Diiftii Ilaah nooga ray dakharadeediiye

Waxa Duumadii noo beddelay doogsin caano lehe

Dabayl Caafimaad iyo Xorriyad loo durbaan tumaye

 

Waakaa dadkii soo hormaday doobadka ahaaye

Danabbaa u kacay guushu waa lagama daalaane

Haddaan loo dagaallamin xorriyad lama dabbaasheene

 

Daandaansigii F-WORD raggii diidey ka adkaaye

Nimankii is damalloolin jirey dacar la leefsiiye

Derejooyin been ah yaa garbaha loogu daabacaye

 

Diidiga markii laysla galay Daab ma soo roganne

Kuwii Shaarubaha duubi jirey daadshe qalabkiiye

Digtii horeba waatay baqaha docaha jiidheene

 

Odaygii dalqada weyn lahaa derejadii xoorye

Daandaan Tumaalkii markii laysu daadsadaye

Wax la yidhi ma daaficine wuu sii dabayshadaye

 

Laamuu ka degey baa la yidhi Doon intuu koray'e

Isagiyo Dafleba meesha way dacal banneeyeene

Dabatadiyo ways kaashadeen nimanki D(-feated Lot)

 

Degdeg bay dhulkii uga baxeen duhur dharaareede

Alla doori waa waxan lahayn *** ay ku dhaataane

Dad hadday yihiin sida Riyaha looma didiyeene

 

Dalan-doolki Nayroobi bay dalaq yidhaahdeene

Dal la'aani waw kow dhul ay dib ugu laabtaane

Debedaha ha meereen illeen diide nabaddiiye

Dabin - Qaasim 1991

 

Get over it son

[Sharif_seylaci]

Somali National Movement.

 

In April 1981, a group of ********* emigres living in London formed the Somali National Movement (SNM), which subsequently became the strongest of Somalia's various insurgent movements. According to its spokesmen, the rebels wanted to overthrow Siad Barre's dictatorship.

 

Additionally, the SNM advocated a mixed economy and a neutral foreign policy, rejecting alignment with the Soviet Union or the United States and calling for the dismantling of all foreign military bases in the region. In the late 1980s, the SNM adopted a pro-Western foreign policy and favored United States involvement in a post-Siad Barre Somalia. Other SNM objectives included establishment of a representative democracy that would guarantee human rights and freedom of speech.

 

Eventually, the SNM moved its headquarters from London to Addis Ababa to obtain Ethiopian military assistance, which initially was limited to old Soviet small arms.

 

In October 1981, the SNM rebels elected Ahmad Mahammad Culaid and Ahmad Ismaaiil Abdi as chairman and secretary general, respectively, of the movement. Culaid had participated in northern Somali politics until 1975, when he went into exile in Djibouti and then in Saudi Arabia. Abdi had been politically ctive in the city of Burao in the 1950s, and, from 1965 to 1967, had served as the Somali government's minister of planning. After the authorities jailed him in 1971 for antigovernment activities, Abdi left Somalia and lived in East Africa and Saudi Arabia.

 

The rebels also elected an eight-man executive committee to oversee the SNM's military and political activities.

 

 

On January 2, 1982, the SNM launched its first military operation against the Somali government. Operating from Ethiopian bases, commando units attacked Mandera Prison near Berbera and freed a group of northern dissidents.

 

According to the SNM, the assault liberated more than 700 political prisoners; subsequent independent estimates indicated that only about a dozen government opponents escaped. At the same time, other commando units raided the Cadaadle armory near Berbera and escaped with an undetermined amount of arms and ammunition. Mogadishu responded to the SNM attacks by declaring a state of emergency, imposing a curfew, closing gasoline stations to civilian vehicles, banning movement in or out of northern Somalia, and launching a search for the Mandera prisoners (most of whom were never found).

 

On January 8, 1982, the Somali government also closed its border with Djibouti to prevent the rebels from fleeing Somalia. These actions failed to stop SNM military activities. In October 1982, the SNM tried to increase pressure against the Siad Barre regime by forming a jointmilitary committee with the SSDF. Apart from issuing antigovernment statements, the two insurgent groups started broadcasting from the former Radio Kulmis station, now known as Radio Halgan (struggle).

 

Despite this political cooperation, the SNM and SSDF failed to agree on a common strategy against Mogadishu. As a result, the alliance languished. In February 1983, Siad Barre visited northern Somalia in a campaign to discredit the SNM. Among other things, he ordered the release of numerous civil servants and businessmen who had been arrested for antigovernment activities, lifted the state of emergency, and announced an amnesty for Somali exiles who wanted to return home.

 

These tactics put the rebels on the political defensive for several months. In November 1983, the SNM Central Committee sought to regain the initiative by holding an emergency meeting to formulate a more aggressive strategy. One outcome was that the military wing--headed by Abdulqaadir Kosar Abdi, formerly of the SNA--assumed control of the Central Committee by ousting the civilian membership from all positions of power.

 

However, in July 1984, at the Fourth SNM Congress, held in Ethiopia, the civilians regained control of the leadership. The delegates also elected Ahmad Mahammad Mahamuud "Silanyo" SNM chairman and reasserted their intention to revive the alliance with the SSDF.After the Fourth SNM Congress adjourned, military activity in northern Somalia increased. SNM commandos attacked about a dozen government military posts in the vicinity of Hargeysa, Burao, and Berbera. According to the SNM, the SNA responded by shooting 300 people at a demonstration in Burao, sentencing seven youths to death for sedition, and arresting an unknown number of rebel sympathizers. In January 1985, the government executed twenty-eight people in retaliation for antigovernment activity.

 

 

Between June 1985 and February 1986, the SNM claimed to have carried out thirty operations against government forces in northern Somalia. In addition, the SNM reported that it had killed 476 government soldiers and wounded 263, and had captured eleven vehicles and had destroyed another twenty-two, while losing only 38 men and two vehicles. Although many independent observers said these figures were exaggerated, SNM operations during the 1985-86 campaign forced Siad Barre to mount an international effort to cut off foreign aid to the rebels.

 

This initiative included reestablishment of diplomatic relations with Libya in exchange for Tripoli's promise to stop supporting the SNM.Despite efforts to isolate the rebels, the SNM continued military operations in northern Somalia. Between July and September 1987, the SNM initiated approximately thirty attacks, including one on the northern capital, Hargeysa; none of these, however, weakened the government's control of northern Somalia. A more dramatic event occurred when a SNM unit kidnapped a Medecins Sans Frontieres medical aid team of ten Frenchmen and one Djiboutian to draw the world's attention to Mogadishu's policy of impressing men from refugee camps into the SNA. After ten days,

 

the SNM released the hostages unconditionally. Siad Barre responded to these activities by instituting harsh security measures throughout northern Somalia. The government also evicted suspected pro-SNM nomad communities from the Somali-thiopian border region. These measures failed to contain the SNM. By February 1988, the rebels had captured three villages around Togochale, a refugee camp near the northwestern Somali- Ethiopian border. Following the rebel successes of 1987-88, Somali-Ethiopian relations began to improve. On March 19, 1988, Siad Barre and Ethiopian president Mengistu Haile Mariam met in Djibouti to discuss ways of reducing tension between the two countries. Although little was accomplished, the two agreed to hold further talks. At the end of March 1988, the Ethiopian minister of foreign affairs, Berhanu Bayih, arrived in Mogadishu for discussions with a group of Somali officials, headed by General Ahmad Mahamuud Faarah.

 

On April 4, 1988, the two presidents signed a joint communique in which they agreed to restore diplomatic relations, exchange prisoners of war, start a mutual withdrawal of troops from the border area, and end subversive activities and hostile propaganda against each other. Faced with a cutoff of Ethiopian military assistance, the SNM had to prove its ability to operate as an independent organization.

 

Therefore, in late May 1988 SNM units moved out of their Ethiopian base camps and launched a major offensive in northern Somalia. The rebels temporarily occupied the provincial capitals of Burao and Hargeysa. These early successes bolstered the SNM's popular support, as thousands of disaffected ***** clan members and SNA deserters joined the rebel ranks. Over the next few years, the SNM took control of almost all of northwestern Somalia and extended its area of operations about fifty kilometers east of Erigavo. However, the SNM did not gain control of the region's major cities (i.e., Berbera, Hargeysa, Burao, and Boorama), but succeeded only in laying siege to them. With Ethiopian military assistance no longer a factor, the SNM's success depended on its ability to capture weapons from the SNA. The rebels seized numerous vehicles such as Toyota Land Cruisers from government forces and subsequently equipped them with light and medium weapons such as 12.7mm and 14.5mm machine guns, 106mm recoilless rifles, and BM-21 rocket launchers.

 

The SNM possessed antitank weapons such as Soviet B-10 tubes and RPG-7s. For air defense the rebels operated Soviet 30mm and 23mm guns, several dozen Soviet ZU23 2s, and Czech-made twin-mounted 30mm ZU30 2s. The SNM also maintained a small fleet of armed speed boats that operated from Maydh, fifty kilometers northwest of Erigavo, and Xiis, a little west of Maydh. Small arms included 120mm mortars and various assault rifles, such as AK-47s, M-16s, and G-3s. Despite these armaments, rebel operations, especially against the region's major cities, suffered because of an inadequate logistics system and a lack of artillery, mine-clearing equipment, ammunition, and communications gear. To weaken Siad Barre's regime further, the SNM encouraged the formation of other clan-based insurgent movements and provided them with political and military support. In particular, the SNM maintained close relations with the United Somali Congress (USC), which was active in central Somalia, and the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM), which operated in southern Somalia. Both these groups sought to overthrow Siad Barre's regime and establish a democratic form of government.

 

The USC, a ******* organization founded in 1989, had suffered from factionalism based on subclan rivalries since its creation. General Mahammad Faarah Aidid commanded the ************ clan, and Ali Mahdi Mahammad headed the ****** clan. The SPM emerged in March 1989, after a group of ****** officers, led by Umar Jess, deserted the SNA and took up arms against Siad Barre. Like theUSC, the SPM experienced a division among its ranks. The moderates, under Jess, favored an alliance with the SNM and USC and believed that Somalia should abandon its claims to the ******. SPM hardliners wanted to recapture the ****** and favored a stronger military presence along the Somali-Ethiopian border.

 

On November 19, 1989, the SNM and SPM issued a joint communique announcing the adoption of a "unified stance on internal and external political policy." On September 12, 1990, the SNM concluded a similar agreement with the USC. Then, on November 24, 1990, the SNM announced that it had united with the SPM and the USC to pursue a common military strategy against the SNA. Actually, the SNM had concluded the unification agreement with Aidid, which widened the rift between the two USC factions. By the beginning of 1991, all three of the major rebel organizations had made significant military progress. The SNM had all but taken control of northern Somalia by capturing the towns of Hargeysa, Berbera, Burao, and Erigavo. On January 26, 1991, the USC stormed the presidential palace in Mogadishu, thereby establishing its control over the capital.

 

The SPM succeeded in overrunning several government outposts in southern Somalia. The SNM-USC-SPM unification agreement failed to last after Siad Barre fled Mogadishu. On January 26, 1991, the USC formed an interim government, which the SNM refused to recognize. On May 18, 1991, the SNM declared the independence of the Republic of Somaliland. The USC interim government opposed this declaration, arguing instead for a unified Somalia. Apart from these political disagreements, fighting broke out between and within the USC and SPM.

 

The SNM also sought to establish its control over northern Somalia by pacifying clans such as the ********** and the *********. To make matters worse, guerrilla groups proliferated; by late 1991, numerous movements vied for political power, including the United Somali Front (**********), Somali Democratic Alliance (*********), United Somali Party (***********), Somali Democratic Movement (*********), and Somali National Front (**********). The collapse of the nation state system and the emergence of clan-based guerrilla movements and militias that became governing authorities persuaded most Western observers that national reconciliation would be a long and difficult process.

_________________

 

Listen, I am not going to edit again clan names from your copy-and-paste articles since you aren't obviously heeding the warnings and breaking the rules by citing clan names again and again. Don't force me to delete the entire message, baliis.

 

[ October 16, 2006, 01:22: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by me:

With this tread I am trying to raise 3 issues.

 

 

1. The SNM

betrayed

the Somali Nation and the Somali people by

collaborating

with the enemy of Somalia.

 

2. The SNM

sacrificed

and made the people of Hargeysa and Burco

suffer

for their own

selfish

gains.

 

3. The SNM was

beaten

by the Somali National army and this can be proven by the fact that the day that Mogadisho fell to the USC not one single village was in SNM hands.

 

The whole

cult

of SNM worship that surrounds the SNM is built on lies. They were not Mujaahidiins they were more like

traitors

.

 

They

never

fought for the bettering of the lives of the people of the North West they fought for gaining

power

.

 

They

had taken a calculated

cold blooded

decision to sacrifice the people they want to make us believe they were trying to defend. The sole responsible for the death, destruction and the

humiliation

of the people of the North West are the SNM.

 

They attacked the cities with a small group of rebels that

never stood a chance

. They also tried to prevent people from moving out of the city, so that when the Somali National Army tried to recapture the cities there would be

maximum

civilian

casualties

.

 

They committed

genocide

among the Hargeysawi's that were not of the SNM

clan

, so that there would be

reprisals

when they left the cities.

 

The only bit that seems to be true in the cult of SNM worshipping is the claim that they

drank

their own

urine

. But then again you can ask yourself if the SNM was as mighty militarily as they would like us to believe why drink urine while there are wells everywhere? Oodweyne tell us please is it that

tasty

that you would prefer it over water?

Good points

[Chimera]

"The original mission of the Somali National Army was to protect the nation from external aggression. I was trained to fight against an enemy force not my own people; my decision was firm to risk dying rather than bombarding civilians and their property."-Lieutenant-Colonel Ahmed Mohamed Hassan

 

Interview with Omar Alasow

 

link

 

patriot!

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

 

For I am sure of it, that you need that sort of talismanic article to word off, the ghost of defeated history which seemed to be visiting you nightly in

California

, in the small hours of the night;

particularly after you recalled fitfully in your delirium of half-sleep the dastardly fate of history, and how your ilk did the shameful runner from

Mogadishu

to all the way to

Nairobi

, in one full sprint(

that would of won the “Olympic Medal†if that little bit of communal running were to be have been registered with the international Olympic committee

)

, without pause or care;

 

Odweyne, ina adeeeeeerow marba markaan is idha tallaw odeyga markaan is badalkiisa dhab weeye ayaad iga qoslisaa.

[Suldaanka]

"The SNM was beaten "

 

This is the same person who was just not long ago posted a thread about "Doqon phrases"... how ironic!!

 

If the SNM were beaten, certainly it wasn't shoe-shiner boys of Daami nor Afwayne's dogs of war. So, it begs, who beat them? Cajabatul cajiib.