A glimpse of history, Biadoa the city of death

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte:

Horn is back.

I am most definitely not. I am going back to my section now.

 

Waxaan la yaabay waxuu ninkaan daldalayey.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

Horn would you kindly provide any solid proof that half a million people died in Modadishu as a result of the TFG/ICU fighting. This is a serious claim.

 

I don't mind being corrected.

 

Here is my source

 

Mogadishu clashes 'killed 1,000'

BBC NEWS

 

More than 1,000 people have been killed in recent clashes in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, according to elders from the city's main clan.

****** clan spokesman Hussein Aden Korgab also said more than 4,000 had been injured in some of the heaviest fighting in 15 years. The clashes came as the government and Ethiopian soldiers battled insurgents - both Islamists and ****** fighters. Meanwhile, Eritrea has confirmed that a Somali Islamist leader is there. The Union of Islamic Courts was driven out of Mogadishu in December by an alliance of Somalia's transitional government and Ethiopia. Eritrea, Ethiopia's regional rival, has always denied backing the Islamists but has now admitted that Islamist leader Sheikh Sharif Ahmed has held talks with President Isaias Afewerki in Asmara. "We are not all prepared to allow invaders to trample upon our sacred rights and bring us under submission," he said, according to a statement on the website of Eritrea's information ministry. Somalia has not had an effective national government for 16 years. BBC Somali service editor Yusuf Garaad says the figure of more than 1,000 dead does not come as a surprise as heavy artillery were used in residential areas during the fighting. Most of the clashes took place near the main stadium in Mogadishu and al-Kamin neighbourhood in the south of the capital, according to human rights groups. African Union troops are supposed to replace the Ethiopians "We assessed battle fields, spoke to civilians, visited hospital and areas that were affected by the clashes," Mr Korgab told the AFP news agency, explaining how the clan elders reached a figure for the number of casualties. The United Nations refugee agency says some 124,000 people have fled the city. Last week, US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer while on a visit in Somalia accused Eritrea of destabilising Somalia, by backing the insurgents. Ms Frazer who met the president and prime minister in Baidoa, called for a permanent ceasefire to be established through dialogue between the interim government and affected communities. The European Union representative in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, Eric van der Linden, has called for investigations to establish if the Ethiopian and Somali forces committed war crimes during the fighting. ****** clan elders and commanders from Ethiopian forces are expected to hold further talks on Tuesday about their implementing the ceasefire they agreed last week. But fears are high that fighting could be imminent following reports that both sides have been digging trenches in parts of the city they control. African Union (AU) troops are supposed to be replacing the Ethiopian soldiers but so far only 1,200 Ugandans have arrived, of the planned 8,000-strong force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6540609.stm

[Khalaf]

Originally posted by N/AA:

quote:Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte:

Mr Jacayl, I don't think any "informed" political junkie on this forum believes that half a million people died in the recent Mogadishu war. 1/2 a million deaths would mean half of Mogadishu is dead. That would wipe out a whole clan. Habaarka jooji waryaa.

 

The anti-TFG Mogadishu elders have estimated the total deaths (

after the Shabaabs retreated

) to be around one thousand. One would expect that number itself to be "inflated" alittle for political reasons. Check SOL archives and you may find related news articles about the elders' estimate number.

 

The shabaabs are well and kicking good out there.

You have always seemed to hold to "political correctness" even when dishing your biased reporting.

 

Mogadishu is burned sxb, thousands of been killed by the barrage of indiscriminate Ethiopian shelling of the city. A relative of mine just came back from the city after having searched for his mother and he said the city is dead. It is dead. Everything is lifeless except for the dozen or so areas cordoned off by hundreds of thousands of Ethiopian troops which also houses all the men you see on the press.

Soooooo many phoney niggas. WOW. Do Carry on.

 

 

Good reporting emperor, however Aideed is dead and the USC is no longer. What now? Why has not the crimes or at least the figure heads that um sure includes many conspirators not just warlords who committed these crimes been reported to the UN? Or is that not feasible?

[Emperor]

^Correct not feasible now, not at this moment in time, the nation has to stand up and start from the grass roots...

 

Originally posted by N/AA:

You probably seem like a fool even to yourself.

lol, Did I hit a nerve, we are only discussing, Im only presenting history. No need to rewrite it, I, you and the whole world knows the groups that commited this henious massacre, the ones who employed the sick killer tactics no matter who they allied to at the time.

[Emperor]

The groups that had a role in this genocide and the main actors:

 

1. USC/SNA - United Somali Congress - SNA wing

Wikipedia:

On January 26, 1991, the USC stormed the Presidential palace in Mogadishu, taking control of the capital and forcing Siad Barre into exile.

 

In November 1991, factionalism between Gen. Aidid and Ali Mahdi Mahammad caused a split in the USC. Mohamed Qanyare Afrah was chosen to be the Chairman of the smaller, breakaway "USC Madhi" faction. This leadership position was not recognized by Gen. Aidid.

 

Leaders: General Mohamed Farrah Aidid, Dr. Omar M. Hassan, Hussein Ahmed Mohamed, Abdi Hilowle Hassan, Hassan Mohamud Moheddin, Hassan Omar Mohamed:

2. Somali National Front (SNF)

Wikipedia:

Loyalists to Siad Barre, the remnants of his army forces founded the SNF militia after his ouster from office.

 

Their intent and goal was to recapture Mogadishu and reinstate the regime of Siad Barre, and to etablish regional state in Gedo, Middle and Lower Jubba.

 

Leaders: General Siad Barre, General, Mohammed Said Samatar ('Gacaliye'), General Omar Hagi Masallah.

[Garyaqaan2]

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro:

which one is worse ,,, the one in Baidoa or the recent one in Mogadishu ???

JB abti for the seck of those who lost their life in biadhabo please study their histroy. No where in africa ever happen. what had happen in biadhabo,

 

In 1990, Barre's troops fleeing from Mogadishu destroyed southern cities Baidoa. They also indiscriminately wiped out rural villages, confiscating property and killing young men between the ages of 15 and 30.

SXB N/A LOOKS LIKE HE WOULD LIKE TO RE-WRITE HISTORY.

 

 

The first instance was when they fled Mogadishu with their families and livelihoods towards Gedo. They were not part of a military campaign this first, but were simply fleeing as civilians. The people of Bay and Baydhabo acted incredibly inhumane practicing such thing as dumping people in containers of hot oil, torturing, cutting limps, and many other indescribable things. I know this as two of my family members were caught by them and forced to die an agonizing death.

:confused:

 

THAT IS NOT EXCUSE :mad:

[Emperor]

The main actors of the USC/SNA:

 

General Maxamed Farah Aidid

The supreme leader of USC gang and main the policy maker, the man who's militia have been responsible for almost 70-80 percent of this genocide.

 

 

Yusuf Siyad Indhacade

Former Aideed gang militia leader later self declared governor of Shablle, this man have controlled this regions with iron fist untill late 2006.

[Garyaqaan2]

[Emperor]

General Maxamed Nuur Ahmed

Former Somali officer, the man who believed the be handled and excuted the policy that resulted the death of half million people.

 

 

Cusman Hassan Caato

The brain of the USC and the financier of that militia, a greedy man who made millions over the blood of many innocents, this had no mercy nor respect for human life but only to get rich, the first man to introduce drugs in Somali peninsula

[Garyaqaan2]

the mother had to let him go. she could not safe him. subxaana laah. look how reer biadhobo suverd indeed we had to remembar them.

 

[Emperor]

The main actors of the SNF:

 

General Maxamed Siyad Barre

Former Somali President later demoted to become the founder and leader of the SNF militia when ousted in 1991, the master minder and was the supreme don of the SNF.

 

 

General Cumar Xaji Masalle:

 

 

No picture found - to be searched to bring to the attention of the world.

 

 

Very experieced man, former right hand of Siyad Barre, on of the main architects of the genocide, a man who used outside power against his own tol...

[Garyaqaan2]

 

 

Insha alaah you will be rememberd. bare hiiraale will pay big price.

[Garyaqaan2]

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Siyaad bare and bare hiile miltia had done this to biadoa :mad: redface.gif" alt="" />

[Emperor]

Barre Aadan Shire Hiiraale

 

The commander of the SNF that controlled Dinsoor region and had the orders to clean the local masses, starved and burned crops of all that region

 

 

General Axmed Warsame

 

 

The man on the right with the stick, he's been the forefront of this massacre, this guy needs no introduction as it regards to his sense of humanity, always targeted the innocent and unarmed civilias, more reports on him and the documented mass murder he excuted

[Juje]

Sheekadan waxay ku socota, "Anaga mahane inta kale wa dhal xaran".