Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 This is interesting united nation treaty with somali clans and it displays information regarding the clans who were given compensation by the colonizers british and italians for damages that occured to them!!! This document proves the tribes that stood up and fought against the colonizers and the tribes that didn't fight. You can read that below and learn the real offical government archives on the united nation website!!! http://untreaty.un.o rg/unts/60001_120000 /17/37/00033833.pdf This document proves that puntland are the most patriotic somali and are listed in this document the most!!! however what is more interesting is that majority of the usc and majority of the smn clans are totally absent from this compensation!!! Why is that? Did they welcome the colonizers into their homes and didn't put up a fight? Well all we do know is that if your clan fought against the colonizers they should be listed here recieving compensation for damages that occured to them. If your clan is not listed on this official government compensation treaty that proves they didn't fight because logically speaking you can only be harmed if you fight!!! This suggest either they worked as spies with the colonizers or they submitted freely without a fight!!! However what we do know for certain is that puntland comes out the most patriotic region of all somalia. Because this document is 90% of this historic compensation treaty is puntland natives!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djibsomali Posted August 27, 2009 Does it need intelligence to just see the obvious?? or are some of us just dumb?? It clearly says: AGREEMENT 1 BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND ITALY CONCERNING CLAIMS OF CERTAIN BRITISH AND ITALIAN PROTECTED PERSONS AND COLONIAL SUBJECTS ARISING OUT OF RAIDS AND INCIDENTS ON THE ANGLO-ITALIAN FRONTIER IN SOMALILAND . SIGNED AT BIHEN, SEPTEMBER 2, Therefore only those clans that have individual at the frontier would request compensation. hence the actual tribes name listed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 djib, well italy and the british did conquer somalia therefore we were subjects. This compensation is after the british and italians left somalia and handed it to the u.n to control!!! This is payment to ex-subjects of the colonial area and payment to them for the damages that occured to them during the colonial raids when they were trying to establish themselves at first in somalia. It was at the anglo italian border which means british and italy somaliland!!! what dont u understand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meiji Posted August 27, 2009 Originally posted by djibsomali: Does it need intelligence to just see the obvious?? or are some of us just dumb?? It clearly says: AGREEMENT 1 BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND ITALY CONCERNING CLAIMS OF CERTAIN BRITISH AND ITALIAN PROTECTED PERSONS AND COLONIAL SUBJECTS ARISING OUT OF RAIDS AND INCIDENTS ON THE ANGLO-ITALIAN FRONTIER IN SOMALILAND . SIGNED AT BIHEN, SEPTEMBER 2, Therefore only those clans that have individual at the frontier would request compensation. hence the actual tribes name listed. Some people are either too ignorant to comprehend what they are putting forward or too desperate to burry their treacherous and dark history. It is no coincidence that the two Northeastern chieftains were one of the first Somali chiefs to sell Somali lands to a European power. They were instrumental in Italian colonization of Somalia. It is safe to say that the only serious resistance Italy faced in Southern Somalia was that of Banadir, in which the Shabelle valley played a keyrole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 meiji so you are telling me that the north-eastern cheifs were selling somali land yet the colonizer was raiding them? when the hell do you hear your ally raiding you? so that means if i make a deal with america and then america will raid me? weliga waxaas ma maqashay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 Lol, you guys are so pathetic that it is not even worthy of a response. You are saying that america will raid britain its ally and kill british people!!! because when u say north-eastern chiefs made deals with the colonizers then u need to answer why were they raided for, after-all they should've of been friends as you suggest? u dont need to raid your friend because your friend is working with you!!! This is devastating historic treaty and proves the clans who are not mentioned were never raided and they were never raided because they made deals with the colonizers and were rubbing their feet!!! that is why they were not raided!!! but the clans who were raided recieved their compensation for damages which is honorable!!! Anyways this treaty is devastating on the clans not mentioned, because the question arises why didnt you clan FIGHT? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meiji Posted August 27, 2009 ^^ You should learn to read. AGREEMENT 1 BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND ITALY CONCERNING CLAIMS OF CERTAIN BRITISH AND ITALIAN PROTECTED PERSONS AND COLONIAL SUBJECTS ARISING OUT OF RAIDS AND INCIDENTS ON THE ANGLO-ITALIAN FRONTIER IN SOMALILAND . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 Meiji british protectorate means you are protected person. Colonial Subject means your citizen of the colonial state!!!! what don't u understand!!! Somaliland was protectorate and the people that lived there were protected!!! north-east somalia was italian protectorate also and protected. and the rest of the nation was colonial subjects because the colonizer was based there physically!!! Italy was a colony, and the people who lived under italian rule were colonial subjects!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacaylbaro Posted August 27, 2009 Someone needs history lessons from Grade 1 ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Somalia Posted August 27, 2009 To Ina_Gaweto: These guys seem to think with the infinite wisdom of the hive mind which only wants to refute evidence that 'might' make Puntland look the wiser of all Somalis, but the only thing they'll achieve is continue to live in the denial and anarchy they are currently enjoying as we speak... We are in a new millennium saaxiibyaal. Try dealing with the anarchy of your regions instead of dwelling in the past. Puntland was great back then, and is still great today! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 Mr.Somalia well they need to be refuted with solid arguments to show how silly they are. According british home office protected states means the region is governed by britain off-shore and the people that live there are officially viewed as "protected" regions and people!!! http://www.ukba.home office.gov.uk/britis hcitizenship/otherna tionality/britishpro tectedperson/protect orates/ Italy also had protectorate in north-east somalia and that area was viewed the same, because it ran the county from distant area in mogadishu. The only time someone is viewed technically as colonial subject is when the colonialists actually are based in that county with officials from there government. That is when they tag the people there "subjects" But the point of the argument is quite simple. The british and italian colonizers carried out raids on clans, why didn't they carry out raids on all the tribes missing from this historic treaty? because logically speaking the british and italian didn't need to carry out raids on the clans missing from this document because either those clans welcomed them with open arms or they were corroborrating with the colonizers and thus didn't require any raids on their community!!! Where-as all the clans listed on this compensation document suffered casualties and harm because they fought the colonizers and didn't appreciate their presence. Therefore logically speaking the colonizer had no choice but to attack and fight with those clans. That is why they recieved damages because of raids carried on them!!! Truly exposing document on which clan in somalia is patriotic and which clans are not!!! the document speaks for itself really and all those clans not listed on it must answer to the somali people offically on why their clan didn't get raided while other clans did? we need to know the reason behind this. I suspect it was because either they were spies for the colonizers or they submitted to the colonizers without a fight and therefore recieved no damages and required no raids because the clan was non-resistant. Where-as the clans listed on the document were resistant clans who stood up against the colonizers. Anyways this is official government record, this aint no fiction book or gabay or sheeko merfish!!! therefore we need an official response from those clan-elders who's clan is not mentioned as being raided as to why that is the case. The somali people have a right to know!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haatu Posted August 27, 2009 These clannist boys need to learn some history. If only Puntland clans fought against the colonisers, what clan did the Sayid belong to? Why was the city Lafoole named Lafoole? Ignorant qabiilists like you wrecked the country. Lord, oh mighty. Is there no end to this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MAXIMUS POWERS Posted August 27, 2009 Forget Clan and embrace Politics. No one choose their clan but we have control of our political leanings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 i agree with you 100% on that. We don't choose our clan 100% right!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Ligle Posted August 27, 2009 By the way i didn't say it was puntland only, there are many more clans on the document. I said alot of the names on there are puntland. However their are many clans missing from the document which is scary!! However as far as the people in region 5 of ethiopia well they are not apart of british/italy somaliland they are under ethiopia rule!!! therefore this only has to do with ppl within british and italia somaliland. Hell this has nothing to do with nfd region or djibouti!!! Its the clans that live in modern day somalia!!! and another thing the region 5 people hated the sayyid infact he used to kill them because they didn't support him!!! sayyid army was majority was sool people and everyone knows that!!! and they are listed in this document alot of them also!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites